Advaita and Artificial Intelligence

[sravna]

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Dear Folks,

I am trying to develop a theory of Intelligence and its use in building a thinking machine based on the philosophy of advaita.

I am yet to complete the writing but if you want to take a look at the gist see here:

Solutions to Practical Problems

Kindly let me know your views.

 

[renuka]

Dear Sravna,

Why Advaita?

As it is Advaitins are being labelled as dry,mechanical and sans bhakti...so by making an AI based on Advaita wont that only re-enforce that?

Dont you think Vishishtadvaiata AI will be easier?

We will have Robos who have Bhakti and Robos will help humans locate Vaikuntha!LOL

 

[sravna]

I am pasting here a copy of the introduction:


Dis-covering Intelligence


Abstract:

Given the fact that we are nowhere near creating thinking machines in spite of intense efforts, it is time to ask whether the problem lies in our fundamental understanding of the concept of intelligence. In this paper we argue that nothing short of a reality shift in our notion of intelligence is required, if we are to make real progress in AI. We propose a reality in addition to the physical reality and also propose that this reality projects the physical reality. We argue why the above ideas are necessary to possess a complete understanding of intelligence. Consequently they can be seen an important step in the creation of machines that can simulate natural intelligence.

Introduction:

Automating intelligence has proved to be a daunting task even though considerable amount of resources have been expended on it. It is natural to ask now whether the theories that describe intelligence reflect the reality. We believe that, to a large extent, they don’t reflect reality and that we need a radical shift in our approach to understanding intelligence in order to make substantial headway in AI.

Intelligence is variously defined as the ability to plan or adapt or solve problems. In all the current notions of intelligence, there is the theme that the external reality perceived by the senses is the only reality and the information from the senses goes through processes in the brain to create thoughts. This notion seems to be inadequate in helping us fully understand intelligence. Consider the case of intuition. We know that intuitive understanding of something, typically represents a deep understanding of it. This happens when the missing pieces of information required for such an understanding are provided by the thought process, with the novelty in the missing pieces being very high. The ideas borne of such thinking such as the theories of Science are able to describe physical reality and predict physical phenomenon with a great success. If the missing links are so novel and also accurate descriptions of the physical reality, we may possibly conclude that our brain has access to a reality that is different from the physical reality that also corresponds with the physical reality.

We argue why the above possibility is an accurate description of reality and propose a mental world that projects the physical world. Information from the senses thus correspond to information in the mental world. The brain acts as the instrument that makes the correspondence. The thoughts produced by the brain out of the sense information syncs with the corresponding information in the mental world. When the synchronization happens, we understand the truth. Intelligence is determined by how deep in the mental world the synchronization happens.
In the following sections, we will expand on this basic notion of intelligence and also discuss how this notion gives a complete picture of intelligence and hence help us move closer to the goal of AI.

 

[sravna]

Dear Sravna,

Why Advaita?

As it is Advaitins are being labelled as dry,mechanical and sans bhakti...so by making an AI based on Advaita wont that only re-enforce that?

Dont you think Vishishtadvaiata AI will be easier?

We will have Robos who have Bhakti and Robos will help humans locate Vaikuntha!LOL

Dear Renuka,

Advaita is something I understand better as a model of reality. Of course there can be Robots based on vishitadvaita and other philosophies. So as in humans there will be diversity among robots which is a good thing.

 

[renuka]

Dear Sravna,

But we need data and in-put to create an AI mind.

For that we would need to clone the thought process sequence of suitable human candidates and use that as the progenitor for other AIs.

But you are right..we need diversity and all AI's should not be the same otherwise they would just be a bunch of crash test dummies.

Now to get candidates we need firstly a human Advaitic mind.

Then we also need a human Vishistadvaitic mind.

For Advaitic mind I do not know any suitable candidate as yet but for Vishishtadvaita mind someone in forum qualifies hands down!

 

[SANDHYAV]

This is pure speculation. Lets try a different angle. Advaita as in its semantic form is indivisible. And AI to be transformed to brain-computer interface... that way the title is a hypothesis, but the reality is BC interface is indivisible in its concrete form brain and computer.

 

[sravna]

Dear Sravna,

But we need data and in-put to create an AI mind.

For that we would need to clone the thought process sequence of suitable human candidates and use that as the progenitor for other AIs.

But you are right..we need diversity and all AI's should not be the same otherwise they would just be a bunch of crash test dummies.

Now to get candidates we need firstly a human Advaitic mind.

Then we also need a human Vishistadvaitic mind.

For Advaitic mind I do not know any suitable candidate as yet but for Vishishtadvaita mind someone in forum qualifies hands down!

Dear Renuka,

I will complete the details of how AI can be implemented. The paper should be ready soon.

 

[renuka]

Dear Sravna,

You are taking a high risk of making an Advaita based AI.

An Advaitic mind is a highly analytical mind and it will go one exploring on its own.

Then there is a risk of the AI realizing they are capable of more and might decide even to take over the world and terminate humans.

So if I were you..I wont take that risk.

Advaita is not safe..its safer to use a Non- Advaitic Philosophy becos the analytical ability in a Non- Advaitic mind is less pronounced.

So the AI will be a mere "follower" and will not question you and you would be their "Master" and you can control them and there is less risk of any AI rebelling and breaking away from the herd.

Further more Non-Advaitic AIs can be used as excellent soldiers..they will attack at a drop of a hat if provoked by the enemy camp.

 

[sangom]

Dear Sravna,

You are taking a high risk of making an Advaita based AI.

An Advaitic mind is a highly analytical mind and it will go one exploring on its own.

Then there is a risk of the AI realizing they are capable of more and might decide even to take over the world and terminate humans.

So if I were you..I wont take that risk.

Advaita is not safe..its safer to use a Non- Advaitic Philosophy becos the analytical ability in a Non- Advaitic mind is less pronounced.

So the AI will be a mere "follower" and will not question you and you would be their "Master" and you can control them and there is less risk of any AI rebelling and breaking away from the herd.

Further more Non-Advaitic AIs can be used as excellent soldiers..they will attack at a drop of a hat if provoked by the enemy camp.

:clap2:

 

[sravna]

Dear Renuka, Shri Sangom,

I would think the max analytical ability is at the level of 1 in a million. So there would be about 5000 such people in the world. An analytical only machine cannot take over the world because it has to outsmart smarter humans as I think there even would be people at the level of 1 in a billion. More importantly wisdom which differentiates people at levels above 1 in a million, would have to be imparted to make a machine as smart as the smartest humans. But such machines are not likely to create harm as one with only analytical ability.

So Renu there is no need to believe that an advaitic machine would be harmful.

 

[Vaagmi]

Renukaji,

a VA AI is too much for you. You can not handle it. Read below what is given in blue. You will understand.

You are taking a high risk of making an Advaita based AI.

Without risk there is no reward. If the risk is making an AI based on Advaita, the reward will be that you are expanding the Universal Consciousness in space. By that the dense UC will become light and we can breathe easier.

An Advaitic mind is a highly analytical mind and it will go one exploring on its own.
Then there is a risk of the AI realizing they are capable of more and might decide even to take over the world and terminate humans.

If the advaitic mind explores, who owns that mind? When the gene gets out of the bottle does it matter whom it destroys? In this case the AI of the Advaita variety, being part of the Universal consciousness, when it starts terminating humans it will be nothing but self-destruction. I am keen to know what will be there after the self destruction of the UC by the AI singly or collectively. will it be absolute shunya or will it be Moola Prakriti again? Then the UC theory goes out through the window.

So if I were you..I wont take that risk.

Play safe and create an AI based on Dwaita. You will have no problem. Visishtadvaita is after all visishta advaita only and not visishta dwaita. LOL.

Advaita is not safe..its safer to use a Non- Advaitic Philosophy becos the analytical ability in a Non- Advaitic mind is less pronounced. So the AI will be a mere "follower" and will not question you and you would be their "Master" and you can control them and there is less risk of any AI rebelling and breaking away from the herd.

The first target for the gene to terminate when it is out of the bottle is already marked. LOL.

Further more Non-Advaitic AIs can be used as excellent soldiers..they will attack at a drop of a hat if provoked by the enemy camp.

We will create also AIs who will do a andankakka kondakkari, randakka randakka dance to divert the attention of the enemy AIs. Before the terminator is out on its mission, it will be preceded by waves of these randakka randakka AIs to smother the non-advaitic enemy camp. The AI sitting in the tree in my garden was discussing the strategy with its mate and I overheard it. LOL.

 

[renuka]

So Renu there is no need to believe that an advaitic machine would be harmful.

Dear Sravna,

It will be harmful...I am quite sure.

Never underestimate the power of a machine.

We have no idea if it can evolve...after all the Universal Consciousness pervades both animate and inanimate objects.

Its the presence or absence of a subtle body that makes all the difference.

So how do you know for sure that an AI wont start developing a subtle body eventually?

If it does then its almost human or even "worse" becos they can be sans emotions and be mechanical and at the same time "think" on their own and with the analytical information you downloaded into their system it might be the War of the Worlds between Humans and the AAI(Advaita AIs).


On the other hand if Non-Advaita AIs(N-AAI) develop a subtle body and a "mind"..it wont make a difference.

You will still be their "God" its just that with a subtle body they might become more poetic and may be worship you with Bhakti which an Advaita AI will never ever understand.

The Advaita AI is dry..it has no Bhakti..its a machine that has mind beyond description and capability...it can be very dangerous if not well programmed. One glitch and humanity might never see daylight again.


The Non- Advaitic AIs on the other hand might even replace the need of a human spouse!LOL

 

[auh]

A & VA are colours of the same pot. Perhaps D would be more distinct as it would enumerate a clear distinction between robots and non-robots !

Btw, the thinking that A > VA > D of some here reminds me of the story where two neighbours fought over an imagination wherein one's cow eats the grass in the other's house.

 

[renuka]

Renukaji,

a VA AI is too much for you. You can not handle it.

Dear Vaagmi Ji,

I beg to differ..I think the handling of a Non-Advaita AI will be easier...read below:

Cost is also a factor in producing an AI.

Let compare:

Advaita AI's would have a very subtle "brain" with more electronic synapses and more of AI "grey matter" to cater for higher analytical capability.Now this also comes with risk of over-heating..so again more money will be needed to make sure cooling mechanism do not fail.

Now Non Advaita AI's do not need that much of a subtle "brain" and requires less electronic synapses and becos of less neuronal activity less heat is generated and cooling mechanism might not be needed.Simple table fan will do.

Now coming back to the theory of UC..Advaita AIs are into perfection and might think of wiping out the entire human race to raise clones that are perfect and have no room for imperfection.

So again..its not easy to handle an Advaita AI.

But the Non-Advaita AI on the other hand is very complacent.He does not aspire for perfection so he would be the best and easiest to handle.

Further more since the Non-Advaita AI uses less power becos of less synaptical activity..it again will be very very power saving and cost effective.

 

[renuka]

Dear Sravna,


I was thinking of a name for your AI.

Ok if you are making an Advaita AI ...since Advaita is about the One and Only Brahman..we can call your Advaita AI as Brahm-ONE.


If you are making a Non- Advaita AI...since Non-Advaita is subservient in approach and is expected to always agree Haan Ji..Haan Ji (Yes Sir Yes Sir) to their One and Only Master..The Non-Advaita AI can be called JI -ONE.

 

[Vaagmi]

Renukaji,

this is for you. My reply in blue.

I beg to differ..I think the handling of a Non-Advaita AI will be easier...read below:
Cost is also a factor in producing an AI.

I have differences here too.

Let compare:Advaita AI's would have a very subtle "brain" with more electronic synapses and more of AI "grey matter" to cater for higher analytical capability.Now this also comes with risk of over-heating..so again more money will be needed to make sure cooling mechanism do not fail.

Synapses and grey matter are all pass. They are in the outdated biology which is no more valid here. forget them. Moreover if they were there there would have been no excess heat. We do not carry each a fan on our head where all the understanding is ultimately done. If the "brain" of the absence of it in a 'shunya" situation of Advaita AI system were to get heated, it would be for some other reason and not because of the "brain" working. For a UC there is no need for doing any analysis. It is just that it exists in a sachidananda sivoham sivoham trance. All the logic gates and their pathways and the algorithms which are going to run through them will be a waste.

Now Non Advaita AI's do not need that much of a subtle "brain" and requires less electronic synapses and becos of less neuronal activity less heat is generated and cooling mechanism might not be needed.Simple table fan will do.

Because they are "brainy" and "brawny" their systems of AIs will work more furiously and will consume a lot of energy and generate a lot of heat. would need portable AC systems to cool themselves. so these non advaitic systems are the costly ones to maintain. Particularly with the strategy of the advaita based AIs to let loose the randakka dancers AIs into the field, the systems of non advaita AIs are likely to go mad and would really need a lot of cooling. LOL.

Now coming back to the theory of UC..Advaita AIs are into perfection and might think of wiping out the entire human race to raise clones that are perfect and have no room for imperfection.

And the first thing those clones will do will be to think about advaita and self destruct themselves and dissolve into the UC. Lo. What a waste.

So again..its not easy to handle an Advaita AI.

LOL. Dont you understand that it does not require any handling at all. It is programmed to self destruct/reach samadhi and merge into the UC the moment it is born.

But the Non-Advaita AI on the other hand is very complacent.He does not aspire for perfection so he would be the best and easiest to handle.

The non advaita AI will rule the world.

Further more since the Non-Advaita AI uses less power becos of less synaptical activity..it again will be very very power saving and cost effective.

Repetition. Please read what is given above.

 

[Vaagmi]

Dear Sravna,


I was thinking of a name for your AI.

Ok if you are making an Advaita AI ...since Advaita is about the One and Only Brahman..we can call your Advaita AI as Brahm-ONE.


If you are making a Non- Advaita AI...since Non-Advaita is subservient in approach and is expected to always agree Haan Ji..Haan Ji (Yes Sir Yes Sir) to their One and Only Master..The Non-Advaita AI can be called JI -ONE.

Better names:

1. shunyadev.

2. ananyadev

 

[auh]

The advaitic AI, if it were to be, would immediately cease to be so, as in the world of advaita, nothing is... what it seems to be. Self-destructive.

 

[Vaagmi]

The advaitic AI, if it were to be, would immediately cease to be so, as in the world of advaita, nothing is... what it seems to be. Self-destructive.

huh? I said it on the screen.

 

[Vaagmi]

Dear sravna,

I wait for your second and other pages to give my views on your idea of AI. The other posts here are all in a lighter vein. Smile if you can. Otherwise grin and bear. LOL.

 

[Vaagmi]

The advaitic AI, if it were to be, would immediately cease to be so, as in the world of advaita, nothing is... what it seems to be. Self-destructive.

huh? I said it on the screen. LOL.

 

[sravna]

Dear Shri Vaagmi,

I am working on the expansion of the idea. I will post it here soon.

 

[sravna]

The need for the existence of mental reality
We know that all humans see the physical world in the same way. This is true when we see the world as it is, that is without interpretation or trying to understand what lies beneath the surface. But we also know that different people interpret observations in different ways and have different views on what lies beneath the surface. We know that there is something that is beyond what can be perceived by the senses. This is the knowledge which we seem to acquire from our observations and experiences in physical world.

I say that this knowledge exits as a separate reality. There is no satisfactory explanation on how some extremely original information can dawn upon people which turns out to be the truth, unless one postulates the existence of the knowledge as a reality and one is able to access such knowledge directly through mind. This also neatly explains intuitive thinking and fits well into solutions for larger problems about reality

 

[renuka]

arate reality because novel information can be accessed by the mind. There is no satisfactory explanation on how some extremely original information can dawn upon people which turns out to be the truth, unless one postulates the existence of the knowledge as a reality and one is able to access such knowledge directly through mind. This also neatly explains intuitive thinking and as we shall see fits well in to solutions for larger problems about reality

Dear Sravna,

At times some of us think of something and write about it and only to read the exact same concept many year later from some authentic source that we had never read prior to writing a concept.

Then it hits you "wow how did I think exactly alike? almost word for word at times.

Once I wrote a poem describing the concept of Brahman and Maya as a spider and its web that spins a web of 3 colors meaning the 3 Gunas blah blah blah..only to read a similar stanza many years later in an religious text.

For a moment I felt really excited..cos I was wow! How did I get it similar?

So you see to a certain extent I feel that some amount of 'knowledge" is out there to be downloaded.

So the question is can an AI be made to auto download these "knowledge"?

 

[sravna]

Dear Renuka,

I would first want to try to explain the concept of intelligence. Once we know that we got it right, we do not have to follow the exact way how intelligent thinking happens but may be able to simulate it. Birds were the inspiration for us to fly but aeroplanes are not exactly like birds, right?