After attacks and protests, here’s what the Modi government has promised Delhi’s Chri

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After five attacks at churches in New Delhi over the past two months, hundreds of demonstrators today (Feb. 5) gathered outside the capital’s Sacred Heart Cathedral Church. “Enough is enough” and “I’m proud to be a Christian,” they chanted, as the Delhi police swiftly bundled them onto buses and detained the protestors, which included priests, nuns and children.

Later in the day, home minister Rajnath Singh met with Christian leaders, and assured them that the attacks would be investigated assiduously.
Here are the four key demands of the Christian leaders—and the Modi government’s response to them—according to A.C. Michael, a former member of the Delhi Minorities Commission, who was at the meeting.
1. The home minister has sought reports from the Delhi police after which it will decide whether to include Indian Penal Code (IPC) Act 153 and 295A in an FIR relating to the attack on St Alphonsa Church. Section 153 of the IPC refers to provocation of riots, while 295A refers to malicious acts intended to outrage religious feelings.
2. The home ministry is also expected to decide on setting up an enquiry commission with a former high court judge to probe the five attacks.
3. The minister declined the possibility of any talks between the top leaders of the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party and the church to chart out future plans. However, he assured them of further support from his office.
4. The ministry assured that a statement on the safety of Christians would be made. But it will only happen after the Delhi elections on Feb. 7, since the election commission does not allow any such announcements to be made prior to a poll under the model code of conduct.

After attacks and protests, here?s what the Modi government has promised Delhi?s Christians ? Quartz
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[prasad1]

Religious intolerance in India would have shocked Gandhi: Obama

US President Barack Obama on Thursday said the "acts of intolerance" experienced by religious faiths of all types in India in the past few years would have shocked Mahatma Gandhi.


The comments by Obama came a day after the White House refuted suggestions that the US President's public speech in New Delhi in which he touched upon religious tolerance was a "parting shot" aimed at the ruling BJP.


"Michelle and I returned from India - an incredible, beautiful country, full of magnificent diversity - but a place where, in past years, religious faiths of all types have, on occasion, been targeted by other peoples of faith, simply due to their heritage and their beliefs - acts of intolerance that would have shocked Gandhiji, the person who helped to liberate that nation," Obama said in his remarks at the high-profile National Prayer Breakfast.


The US President, who has just returned from India, was referring to violence against followers of various religions in India in the past few years.
Religious intolerance in India would have shocked Gandhi: Obama


Mr. Obama,
You are completely outdated. Who is Mahatma Gandhi in Hindutva India?

 

[கால பைரவன்]

No pattern observed in repeated Church attacks, Delhi Police tells Home Ministry - The Economic Times on Mobile

According to the Delhi police, these are random attacks and that in the past year 265 Hindu temples - that is correct two hundred and sixty five temples have suffered thefts. This, according to the delhi police.

But these are Hindu temples - so no media highlights these issues as a problem and there won't be any bleeding secular hearts writing about them. That does not fit their agenda, perhaps.

 

[கால பைரவன்]

Just before Delhi elections there are attacks on churches. So are these attacks really random? Does it take a sherlock Holmes to guess who might be behind all these? It must be the handiwork of those secular forces who want to portray BJP in poor light. These are scare mongering tactics to influence minority voter decision ahead of the elections.

 

[vgane]

Just before Delhi elections there are attacks on churches. So are these attacks really random? Does it take a sherlock Holmes to guess who might be behind all these? It must be the handiwork of those secular forces who want to portray BJP in poor light. These are scare mongering tactics to influence minority voter decision ahead of the elections.

There is something fishy in this so called attack on Churches..May be it was an attempt by opposition parties to create a wedge and cause panic to local Christians and make them feel unsafe under BJP so that they vote enmasse..Hope the truth is out

 

[sarang]

And inciting headlines in toi. Police brutality unleashed on bishops and nurses. A big contingent of christian group of all hues from Kerala has taken part in the march towards to the residence of home minister when they were stopped and taken away in buses, without even a lathi charge. Some prominent AAP leaders were waving from the bus window.
Why the churches have not installed cctvs despite advise and natural caution is not an issue for the press and sickulsrs.

 

[krish44]

nuns and priests do not feel they were kindly treated by the police. they were forced into buses like cattle for slaughter.

other protestors inside the church -about a thousand were not allowed to come out for hours.

communal peace of delhi has been disturbed.

one party will pay the price.

delhi people know who is responsible

 

[sarang]

Don't these church employ watchmen? Amazing that despite earlier attacks, the rich churches leave the property unprotected and make entry easy. Even small Hindu temples employ night watchmen. And the watchmen are physically attacked and even murdered to get inside the temple.

 

[prasad1]

Krishji,
The hindutva brigade is well and active in the TB site. All sorts of conspiracy theory is thrown at to see which sticks.
They always wanted parity with Pakistan, for India, they got it in the treatment of Minorities. India minorities have parity with Pakistani minorities, both are scared for their life.

 

[sarang]

Don't these church employ watchmen? Amazing that despite earlier attacks, the rich churches leave the property unprotected and make entry easy. Even small Hindu temples employ night watchmen. And the watchmen are physically attacked and even murdered to get inside the temple.

 

[auh]

Krishji,
The hindutva brigade is well and active in the TB site. All sorts of conspiracy theory is thrown at to see which sticks.
They always wanted parity with Pakistan, for India, they got it in the treatment of Minorities. India minorities have parity with Pakistani minorities, both are scared for their life.

I object to the usage of the highlighted unless you can prove it. Otherwise it would be prudent to not to throw darts around with the eyes blindfolded.

 

[sarang]

It is natural for self respecting brahmins to respect hindutva, especially in a Tamil brahmin forum. Anti brahmin, anti Hindu, pro sickulars are like the cheap dung throwers on sacred symbols. One has to live them, unfortunately.

 

[prasad1]

Krishji,
The hindutva brigade is well and active in the TB site. All sorts of conspiracy theory is thrown at to see which sticks.
They always wanted parity with Pakistan, for India, they got it in the treatment of Minorities. India minorities have parity with Pakistani minorities, both are scared for their life.

 

[krish44]

those who have not seen horrors and aftermath of partiton of india, anti sikh riots of 1984 and after at close quarters

can only talk loosely about glory of indian way of life sitting smugly in drawing rooms of south india.

they do not know first hand what are these horrors. these have to be seen at close quarters.

in my childhood , I was witness to thousands streaming into delhi penniless hungry occupying any space including

our, house verandas , courtyards,begging for food was a common sight. even grave yards got occupied.

1984 and aftermath was no different. those belonging to one religion got butchered in broad daylight. hooligans

roaming the roads, setting fire to sikh homes and looting everything.how humans can be cruel to another amazed

me at that time

to stoke this communal fire can never be acceptable to any right thinking human being.

 

[prasad1]

those who have not seen horrors and aftermath of partiton of india, anti sikh riots of 1984 and after at close quarters

can only talk loosely about glory of indian way of life sitting smugly in drawing rooms of south india.

they do not know first hand what are these horrors. these have to be seen at close quarters.

in my childhood , I was witness to thousands streaming into delhi penniless hungry occupying any space including

our, house verandas , courtyards,begging for food was a common sight. even grave yards got occupied.

1984 and aftermath was no different. those belonging to one religion got butchered in broad daylight. hooligans

roaming the roads, setting fire to sikh homes and looting everything.how humans can be cruel to another amazed

me at that time

to stoke this communal fire can never be acceptable to any right thinking human being.

Would a wolf cry when the sheep got drenched in rain?

You can see how easy it is to purge a minority, it has happened all over the world, and is happening in Africa now.

 

[கால பைரவன்]

I object to the usage of the highlighted unless you can prove it. Otherwise it would be prudent to not to throw darts around with the eyes blindfolded.

<edited and removed... Please do not post unnecessary comments without proof. - Praveen>

 

[கால பைரவன்]

<edited and removed... Please do not post unnecessary comments without proof. - Praveen>

How one sided this forum has become is there for all to see.

 

[auh]

In the spirit of what Praveen has upheld, it would be gentlemanly of Shri Prasad1 to retract his comments...

More so if he has complained about any postings in this thread...

 

[prasad1]

In the spirit of what Praveen has upheld, it would be gentlemanly of Shri Prasad1 to retract his comments...

More so if he has complained about any postings in this thread...

What is that you are objecting to?
Vgeneji always was complimenting about Treatment of its citizen in Pakistan and Wanted India to treat its citizen similarly. I pointed out that now minorities in both country are scared. Are you saying that I should be censored, or I should not say it? What is that you are objecting to? My post was specifically directed to Krisnji, you unceremoniously interjected yourself in the conversation. And now you are saying my comments were ungentlemanly? Where are we going?

Praveenji is the moderator, he does what is best for the site and he has every right to it.
If this site is used to beat up on the minority, he is personally liable. You can be anonymous and throw firebombs but he can not hide.
Praveenji does not need my protection, and he can take care of it himself. Thank you.

 

[prasad1]

How one sided this forum has become is there for all to see.

Sir you made it that way. You were an invited guest and try to demolish his house and his ideas.
If you want a site purely for your ideas and that of your brigade you should create a separate site. We all can share this site as long as we abide by the forum rules.
These group ism is not good for the forum. Coordinated attack on individual members will drive members away.
If you care for the site, moderate your posts. Do not have to chase members post just because you have personal vendetta against a member.

 

[auh]

What is that you are objecting to?
Vgeneji always was complimenting about Treatment of its citizen in Pakistan and Wanted India to treat its citizen similarly. I pointed out that now minorities in both country are scared. Are you saying that I should be censored, or I should not say it? What is that you are objecting to? My post was specifically directed to Krisnji, you unceremoniously interjected yourself in the conversation. And now you are saying my comments were ungentlemanly? Where are we going?

Praveenji is the moderator, he does what is best for the site and he has every right to it.
If this site is used to beat up on the minority, he is personally liable. You can be anonymous and throw firebombs but he can not hide.
Praveenji does not need my protection, and he can take care of it himself. Thank you.

Either you dont get the drift or pretend to be so...

However should your ignorance be genuine, let me clarify once again. You are virulently, in many of your posts, targetting a so called "hindutva brigade" that apparently, according to you, acts in cohesion with a political motive (mouthpiece). That much is self evident from your posts here and elsewhere. Now Praveen has moderated a term "anti -hindu" from the previous post. If you acknowledge that please moderate your term "hindutva brigade" if you are unable to provide proof to substantiate your point. Otoh, if you have complained to Praveen to moderate the post, again it is onerous on you to remove (stop using) your "terminology", which you seem to be using quite often in a harsh tone.

By the above, I am not anti-anything and so do not paint a different picture of my words. If this site is used to beat up on the majority, then again, he is personally liable. You can remain anonymous and self-righteous but Praveen cannot hide - to rephrase in words that you probably may better understand.

If you cannot comprehend this post, I have nothing more on this topic to discuss with you...

Take care of your thoughts, for they remain with you.

 

[vgane]

What is that you are objecting to?
Vgeneji always was complimenting about Treatment of its citizen in Pakistan and Wanted India to treat its citizen similarly.

Prasadji, There is no comparison between the treatment of Hindus in Pakistan Vs treatment of Muslims in India...The Hindus of Pakistan are being driven out of Pakistan and are seeking asylum in India...But Muslims in India have more or greater political rights than the majority Hindus as they are given all the privileges under the sun as minorities..Also in Pakistan the voice of Muslims are respected..In India the voice of Hindus is trampled...This was specifically discussed when we allowed PK an anti hindu film in India, while Pakistan banned Baby, another Indian film as it was purportedly anti Muslim.

If you recall when you posted the cartoon of Mohammed in this site, I advised you not to post as we have seen the repercussions of the cartoon and I wanted to shield Praveen from that ..And as per my advice you got it removed..So do not assume that you are the sole protector or upholder of the forum's values..

I have interjected as you have raised my name in this

 

[zebra16]

Religious intolerance in India would have shocked Gandhi: Obama

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Mr. Obama,
You are completely outdated. Who is Mahatma Gandhi in Hindutva India?

nuns and priests do not feel they were kindly treated by the police. they were forced into buses like cattle for slaughter.

other protestors inside the church -about a thousand were not allowed to come out for hours.

communal peace of delhi has been disturbed.

one party will pay the price.

delhi people know who is responsible

Krishji,
The hindutva brigade is well and active in the TB site. All sorts of conspiracy theory is thrown at to see which sticks.
They always wanted parity with Pakistan, for India, they got it in the treatment of Minorities. India minorities have parity with Pakistani minorities, both are scared for their life.

This thread was started with the reported church attacks which were “conveniently” attributed to the so called Hindutva-vadis.

The whole of was branded India as “Hindutva India” and it was wondered who is or was Mahatma Gandhi in such a land.

It was strongly asserted that “hindutva” brigade is well and active in the TB site furnishing all sorts of conspiracy theory in the hope that some would stick.


One need not have to wonder anymore because truth is out of the bag.

Here are the excerpts from Times of India report :

{quote}In two separate cases of fire at a church in East Delhi and Rohini, a short-circuit was found be the cause. The Jasola church attack, in which a windowpane was damaged, has been blamed on an unintentional throwing of a stone by a boy. Four cases (relating to vandalization of churches in Vikaspuri, Hisar, Jabalpur and Navi Mumbai) have been investigated, leading to arrest of 14 persons. Two of three cases have not yet been solved and are suspected to be that of burglary.

As for the March 13 rape of a 71-year-old nun at a convent in Nadia, which evoked angry reactions from church leaders, the police have claimed that the case has been solved with the arrest of a Bangladeshi, Mohammad Salim Sheikh, and another accused, Gopal Sarkar. Four others, all Bangladeshi nationals, have since escaped to Bangladesh.{unquote}

What should capture anyone’s attention is the caption of the article : “Church attack figures in UPA rule match those under NDA

India is no more or no less a Hindutva-vadi country under the present set up than it was under the UPA.

One should be more careful in relying on on-the-spot sensationalizing news reporting and jumping the gun prematurely.

The full article which is much more illuminating of the state of affairs can be accessed at:
Church attack figures in UPA rule match those under NDA - The Times of India

 

[B.Krishnamurthy]

Minorities in India enjoy all privileges which majority community enjoys.What pains me is any problem major or minor is internationalised by Christian and muslim organisations.Some Selfish SIKH group in USA( who want a separate 'Khalistan Nation') have recently joined
ln bringing bad name to India.
B.Krishnamurthy

 

[sarang]

Canada is still not in the visa on arrival category, I think. Hope it stays that way for some more time. Hope modi is aware of strong anti india, anti hindu and anti sri lanka sentiments nurtured by indians in canada.