All hell breaks loose as two women wed in koramangala

[Falcon]

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It is reported that two women informally married each other.

And one of them was thrown out of employment by the company that hired her.

Is the company’s act of sacking one of them is shameful as claimed by some….?

Is section 377 of IPC is considered as outdated as claimed by a few…?


ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE AS TWO WOMEN WED IN KORAMANGALA

They can’t be booked under Sec 377 as both are adults and have done nothing wrong, say some lawyers; others say they could be ‘punished’ for unnatural union. As the debate rages, they will be counselled at women’s help centre in police chief’s office

In perhaps the first lesbian ‘wedding’ in Bengaluru, a 25-year-old woman tied the knot with a 21-year-old at a temple in Koramangala. The parents of the younger woman have filed a complaint with the police, who are now “counselling” the couple and hope to “make them realize” the negative fallout of their decision.

Same-sex marriages are not legal in India. The Supreme Court re-criminalised Section 377 in 2013 after the Delhi High Court struck it down in 2009.

The women are distant relatives. Shilpa (name changed) is studying B.Com in a private college in Bengaluru and her father solemnizes weddings; the older one (let’s call her Sahana) works in a call centre and her father runs a business. Bangalore Mirror has details of both but has chosen not to reveal their identities as they could face a backlash.

In her statement to the police, Sahana has said that she was attracted to her “wife” when Shilpa was in her teens. But since she belonged to very orthodox family, she decided to get Shilpa acquainted with the ways of the modern world. She took her to malls and bought her western clothes and expensive gifts.

Read more at: http://bangaloremirror.indiatimes.c...n-wed-in-koramangala/articleshow/59448986.cms
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E-commerce company Zefo fires Bengaluru woman after news reports on her 'lesbian wedding'


A law forum has said they will take the company to court, the company says they are looking into what exactly transpired.

A day after sections of the media in Karnataka did a story on two young women from Bengaluru who were in a lesbian relationship, one of the women was sacked by the company she was employed in.

The 25-year-old woman, has alleged that Zefo, a company that runs the e-commerce portal gozefo.com dealing with refurbished and used furniture, sacked her soon after a Kannada news channel telecast her (blurred) pictures.

The two women, aged 21 and 25, the younger one facing violence in her home, had moved in together sometime in May.
Though the younger woman had approached the police twice for help, with none forthcoming, she shifted out of her house.
Later, her father approached the police, and filed a missing person’s complaint.

Bangalore Mirror first broke the story, followed by Kannada channel Public TV. Soon after Public TV broadcast a blurred image of the couple, the company asked the woman employed with them to leave

Read more at: http://www.thenewsminute.com/articl...-after-news-reports-her-lesbian-wedding-64768

 

[a-TB]

Here is another story with pictures - happened in LA / USA
http://www.stephgrantphotography.com/blog/shannon-seema-indian-lesbian-wedding-los-angeles-ca/

 

[prasad1]

Here is another story with pictures - happened in LA / USA
http://www.stephgrantphotography.com/blog/shannon-seema-indian-lesbian-wedding-los-angeles-ca/

I suppose it is legal in the USA but NOT yet legal in India.

 

[Falcon]

The following may be one among the opinions.....

[h=1][/h][h=1]Are same-sex marriages in India legal or not? Well, let’s say it’s complicated.[/h][h=2]While same-sex marriage in India is not illegal, certain legal implications come into play. Read on to understand what they are.[/h]
Excerpts:

While same-sex marriage is not illegal in India, there are certain legal implications that come into play. To understand the legal implications of same-sex marriages given that Section 377 of the Indian Penal Code, 1860 is in force now, we spoke to Suraj Sanap, from Lawyer’s Collective.

“Section 377 of The Indian Penal Code, 1860 is presently in force in India by virtue of the Supreme Court decision in Suresh Kumar Koushal v. Union of India that overturned the Delhi High Court decision in NAZ Foundation v. NCT of Delhi. Section 377 was fully re-instated by the Supreme Court in 2013, and it criminalizes and punishes all penile non-vaginal sexual acts.”

Therefore it is a criminal offence for two consenting adult gay, bisexual and transgender persons to have sex in India. Lesbian women are not criminalized under Sec. 377 as it criminalizes only ‘penile non-vaginal sex’. However, lesbian women are frequently persecuted and prosecuted under false cases of kidnapping and/or theft offences, when partners elope. A gay, bisexual or trans person solemnizing a same-sex marriage in India may be interpreted as ‘intending’ to violate the law under Sec. 377, as ‘consummation of marriage’ by sexual relations is intrinsic to a marriage, as per both social and legal norms.


Read more at: http://www.thebetterindia.com/98138/same-sex-marriages-india-legal-sec377/

 

[vgane]

Let us leave them alone instead of making it murkier!

 

[renuka]

Deerga Sumangali Bhava.

 

[krish44]

Indian society is conservative and does not accept LGBT marriages.

I know a lady academic who discovered after two kids after several years of marriage that her husband was a bi sexual.

It was a shock for her and she separated from him though not divorced.

Recently she got one of her sons married.

Though husband was given an invitation and he attended also, he was treated as an untouchable at the function.

I really felt bad for him.lol

 

[Falcon]

Indian society is conservative and does not accept LGBT marriages.

When was the LGBT marriages legalized by the world's oldest democracy.....?

It was reported that this practice of homosexuality was largely accepted and practiced by Hinduism across (Rigveda - vikriti evam prackriti ) until British formed their Government in 18th century when they introduced Section 377 IPC in 1861.

But we are now ruled by BJP and the leaders are voicing against this practice.

 

[krish44]

Are live ins among adults legal? Many educated working youngsters are in live in

Having a mistress legal?.Having more than one wife legal? Many of the politicians on the national scene have either one of the two.

One looks at the ground situation and not talk like a policeman waiting to find fault lines in society.

Societies evolve and those which were unacceptable and hidden come out in social space and get accepted.

We are fast becoming a more permissive society and there is more accepting of deviants.

As long as they maintain their privacy, state has no right to enter the bedroom of citizens.

Right to privacy is the most fundamental right of citizens.

 

[Falcon]

One looks at the ground situation and not talk like a policeman waiting to find fault lines in society.

It is really quite surprising to find a member who normally wander in dream land come here to write about ground situation.

He seems to be ignorant of local laws..

Can police search your house or office without a warrant in India?

Excerpts:

So, the answer of the question as to whether police can search your house without warrant is “Yes”. The police can enter your private residence or office without a warrant, but only under very limited circumstances.

The circumstances in which a police officer does not need a search warrant to conduct a search are stated in section 165, and these grounds are as follows:

1) Whenever an officer in charge of a police station or a police officer making an investigation has a reasonable grounds to believe that anything necessary for the purpose of an investigation into any offence which he is authorized to investigate may be found in any place and that thing cannot in his opinion be obtained without undue delay without a search, such officer may search for such thing in any place within the limits of such station.


2) Police officer proceeding under sub section (1), shall if practicable, conduct the search in person.

3) If police officer is unable to conduct the search in person and there is no other person competent to make the search present at the time, he may, after recording in writing his reasons for so doing, require any officer subordinate to make the search and order him to search for such thing in such place.

4) If a police officer remained outside the house while the search was being made inside by some subordinate officer, the search was not held to be illegal.

5) Copies of any record made under sub section (1) shall be sent to the nearest magistrate empowered to take cognizance of the offence.

The question arose before the Hon’ble supreme court of India as to whether issuance of search warrant infringes fundamental rights and the Hon’ble apex court held AIR 1954 SC 300 that a search and seizure is only a temporary interference with the right to hold premises searched and the articles seized. Hence, no question of violation of Article 19 is involved. Also search and seizure of documents from accused does not amount to infringement of fundamental rights under Article 20(3) of the constitution.

Read more at: https://blog.ipleaders.in/can-police-search-house-office-without-warrant-india/

In such a situation..... where is your Right to Privacy.....??

 

[krish44]

In india , there are laws which are on paper. Many are outdated. Some were repealed recently.

Then there are unwritten rules which people abide by.

There are also ways in which people live.

Wisdom lies in living the way one wants in maximum privacy and without hurting society at large and maximising ones happiness.

 

[renuka]

Indian society is conservative and does not accept LGBT marriages.

I know a lady academic who discovered after two kids after several years of marriage that her husband was a bi sexual.

It was a shock for her and she separated from him though not divorced.

Recently she got one of her sons married.

Though husband was given an invitation and he attended also, he was treated as an untouchable at the function.

I really felt bad for him.lol

But at least her Sauten is a male!! No need to feel jealous!LOL.
Gay male as Sauten isnt all that bad.

 

[Falcon]

In india , there are laws which are on paper. Many are outdated. Some were repealed recently.

Then there are unwritten rules which people abide by.

There are also ways in which people live.

Wisdom lies in living the way one wants in maximum privacy and without hurting society at large and maximising ones happiness.

We have more who talk about wisdom but don't act..

And if everyone acts according to their wisdom, we may not have this much of laws..?

Preaching is different....

Practicing principles in life is different.

We have been reading in news every day about political leaders, party leaders, religious heads, business tycoons, etc being arrested by police for commission of various offences...

There are more law evading... who talk like law abiding....

Every jail in India is running 'House Full' and the Government is incurring heavy expenditure by feeding the inmates. lol

 

[krish44]

When there are so many laws that one does not know which law is being broken while taking any action, one loses respect for law.

Justice system is slow and painful and only the poor or financially not well off get punished.

So most do what appeals to them and appears sensible.

Conventional morality is dead.

All deviants are having the time of their lives.

Today I was reading about Poly amorous couple in The Mint.

Thats those with willing consent and knowledge of spouse engaging in relationship with the other gender.

It might be platonic or it might have sex associated with it.

This mono concept is fast loosing meaning in a more open society.

Thats 50% of population getting shut out just because a person is married appears insensible

 

[Falcon]

When there are so many laws that one does not know which law is being broken while taking any action, one loses respect for law.

Justice system is slow and painful and only the poor or financially not well off get punished.

So most do what appeals to them and appears sensible.

Conventional morality is dead.

All deviants are having the time of their lives.

Today I was reading about Poly amorous couple in The Mint.

Thats those with willing consent and knowledge of spouse engaging in relationship with the other gender.

It might be platonic or it might have sex associated with it.

This mono concept is fast loosing meaning in a more open society.

Thats 50% of population getting shut out just because a person is married appears insensible

This may be the ground reality.....

Being LGBT in India: Some home truths

Excerpts:

“Currently, our educational model is based on obedience to authority and unquestioned following of rules and regulations. This must change. We have to encourage our children to question and learn from debate. Children must be taught about their basic human rights and the tools available to protect those rights,” she says.

“Secondly, they must know about legal frameworks and options to challenge these frameworks. I am not talking of heavy legalese but simple legal concepts,” she says.

She adds that asking young people to take individual responsibility without talking of systemic change is futile. “You can’t say you are responsible for your life so you should work positively towards your own freedom of expression. We need to talk about Section 377. We need to talk about the new transgender bill, which the vast majority of transgender people find unacceptable. Families and individuals cannot change much as long as the system supports oppression of LGBT rights.”

Gohil sums up the hope of the LGBT community when he says that once educational institutions become their allies throughout the country, future generations will have a better chance of living up to the ideals of equality.

“What better way than to prepare the future leaders of our country to believe in LGBT rights. Each time a school or college decides to participate in LGBT activism, we come closer to bridging the gap between reality and a truly inclusive society,” he says.

Read more at:
http://www.livemint.com/Sundayapp/sAYrieZdZKEybKzhP8FDbP/Being-LGBT-in-India-Some-home-truths.html