Are we gullible & docile in Inter religious marriages

[vgane]

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They are a nice IR couple Edwin & Sangitha....Edwin is a Roman Catholic...Sangitha is an Iyer,...They loved so much...They wanted to marry... The girls' parents wanted to have the marriage quickly...The boys parents insisted that the Iyer girl should convert...The girl resisted..After 4 years of waiting they got married first in Iyer tradition & later in the Church...The boy's mother said that she should not wear Metti or Thalai...So both were thrown away on the second day

Now a male child is born..The boy's side want to call the child Christo...The girl insisted on adding a Hindu generic name Uday...But the boy's side were adamant..They said nothing doing...No Sanskrit names are allowed...So girl is forced to call him as Christo..When her in laws are there they do not even allow worship of Hindu prayers at home...What a tragedy!..

I am bringing it to the group so that people understand what these Inter religios marriages are...Most of these guys owe their allegiance to some Church & Father in some other White country! Anti national goons! Our girls fall for these guys & they proudly declare in magazines that they have started cooking non veg for her husband! How do we describe this cultural annihilation of Hindus in our own mother land!!

Let these true stories ring alarm bell among all Brahmins!!

 

[mkrishna100]

No body puts a gun on the head of a girl / boy forcing them to marry a boy/girl from another caste / religion .

 

[KPR]

In bird's eye view everything is nice. Once when day to day life starts post marriage, difference in emotions/opinions/ego starts. Most times agonising at times may be good.
Even within TB communities, when an iyengar and iyer gets married then starts two gokulashtami days, two karthigais, which is best or worst !! (Even the difference in madisar kattu will be criticised)
It may easy to follow other caste/religion misunderstanding that brahmins lead a very staunch life. But when it comes to life reality one must think that the child born after such marriages will also face difficulties in establishing themselves in Indian society.

 

[prasad1]

They are a nice IR couple Edwin & Sangitha....Edwin is a Roman Catholic...Sangitha is an Iyer,...They loved so much...They wanted to marry... The girls' parents wanted to have the marriage quickly...The boys parents insisted that the Iyer girl should convert...The girl resisted..After 4 years of waiting they got married first in Iyer tradition & later in the Church...The boy's mother said that she should not wear Metti or Thalai...So both were thrown away on the second day

Now a male child is born..The boy's side want to call the child Christo...The girl insisted on adding a Hindu generic name Uday...But the boy's side were adamant..They said nothing doing...No Sanskrit names are allowed...So girl is forced to call him as Christo..When her in laws are there they do not even allow worship of Hindu prayers at home...What a tragedy!..

I am bringing it to the group so that people understand what these Inter religios marriages are...Most of these guys owe their allegiance to some Church & Father in some other White country! Anti national goons! Our girls fall for these guys & they proudly declare in magazines that they have started cooking non veg for her husband! How do we describe this cultural annihilation of Hindus in our own mother land!!

Let these true stories ring alarm bell among all Brahmins!!

This post is very misleading. First of all it is one case and the the title is generalizing on that basis. Every family has to make their own decisions. There are always compromises in every marriage.

I know of of many cases of mixed religion marriages. I know of a Greek orthodox christian man, and Indian women. The children all have Hindu names, and come to Temple.
I also know of Hindu parents converting to Christianity and pulling kids out of Bal-vihar. Bobby Jindal is a prime example.

I know a family of Caucasian christian raising refugees from Sri-Lanka bringing that child to Bal-vihar and temple so that she might know her religion.
The same family goes to their church after dropping the kids. I have talked with them on number of times and appreciate their efforts.

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

They are a nice IR couple Edwin & Sangitha....Edwin is a Roman Catholic...Sangitha is an Iyer,...They loved so much...They wanted to marry... The girls' parents wanted to have the marriage quickly...The boys parents insisted that the Iyer girl should convert...The girl resisted..After 4 years of waiting they got married first in Iyer tradition & later in the Church...The boy's mother said that she should not wear Metti or Thalai...So both were thrown away on the second day

Now a male child is born..The boy's side want to call the child Christo...The girl insisted on adding a Hindu generic name Uday...But the boy's side were adamant..They said nothing doing...No Sanskrit names are allowed...So girl is forced to call him as Christo..When her in laws are there they do not even allow worship of Hindu prayers at home...What a tragedy!..

I am bringing it to the group so that people understand what these Inter religios marriages are...Most of these guys owe their allegiance to some Church & Father in some other White country! Anti national goons! Our girls fall for these guys & they proudly declare in magazines that they have started cooking non veg for her husband! How do we describe this cultural annihilation of Hindus in our own mother land!!

Let these true stories ring alarm bell among all Brahmins!!

This is History - not a story and brahmins can hear பூஜை மணி ஓசை ! Catholic Brahmin!

He started wearing ochre-robes, wooden shoes; gave up meat and carried danda (stick) andkamandalu (water jug) like a Hindu monk. He started wearing Gandha (Sandal paste) and shaved his head. But he was careful enough to obtain prior permission from Archbishop stationed at Crangnoor. He engaged a Brahmin cook, ate only rice and vegetables and started sleeping on the floor. He spent time studying Sanskrit and holy books besides writing Christian psalms and prayers in Tamil. Opened a school of catechism and slowly started introducing Christian theology. He became an "Iyer" (preceptor) to local people who started venerating him for his austere life, kind manners and healing powers which he had acquired modestly.
He did not criticize the customs like Sati, which were outrageous to foreign eyes. In fact, he was an eyewitness to the scene of four hundred women committing Sati on the death of Nayaka of Madurai. He actually praised the extraordinary courage and steadfastness of these women.

https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&r...WSJh1ds-h6eWhhE7w&sig2=Og2X7fYdFQSZ6unFNDd0rw

 

[prasad1]

[h=1]Meet the couple with two children who decided to raise one Catholic and the other Jewish in 'crazy' family arrangement[/h]

• Diane Greenberg is a Catholic and her husband, Bob, is Jewish
• Pair from New Hope, Pennsylvania, decided to raise kids in different faiths
• Katie, now 24, received Catholic religious instruction and was confirmed
• Steven, 21, had Jewish teaching - but was ultimately not given a bar mitzvah
• Family say many find arrangement baffling - but have defended it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ne-Catholic-Jew-crazy-family-arrangement.html

 

[prasad1]

LIKE Hanukkah and Christmas, Passover and Easter, which recently coincided, can make for awkward moments for families that observe multiple religious traditions. For interfaith couples, the wedding season can also be a time for uncomfortable conversations: Who will solemnize our ceremony? Will God be mentioned — and if so, whose? Oh, and how will we raise our kids?
Before the 1960s, about 20 percent of married couples were in interfaith unions; of couples married in this century’s first decade, 45 percent were. (My definition includes Catholic-Protestant unions, marriages of mainline Protestants to evangelical Christians, and unions of those who affiliated with a religion and those who didn’t.)
Secular Americans welcome the rise of interfaith unions as a sign of societal progress. The relatively high rates of intermarriage of American Muslims, for example, suggest that their assimilation might resemble that of American Jews of earlier generations.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/06/opinion/interfaith-marriages-a-mixed-blessing.html?_r=0

 

[yesmohan]

In IR marriages, it is already a well known fact that religion, worship of God, food habit,name of persons, living style etc. would certainly differ.
The only common thing is love / sex.
Why these commotion / upheaval / fuss.

Is 4 years waiting period not enough to sort out the issues before the marriage ?

This is a clear case of '" vEli thaaNdiya velladukaL " even before marriage.

 

[prasad1]

[FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Inter-faith marriages are those between persons from different religious traditions. Intra-faith marriages are between two persons from different denominations within the same religion. Each one is special. They come in many varieties:
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[TD="width: 100%"][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Some couples follow very different religions (e.g. Christianity and Hinduism). Others are members of similar faith groups within one religion (e.g. Southern Baptists and Assembly of God).[/FONT]
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[TD="width: 100%"][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Some spouses have very little involvement with their faith; to others, religion forms the core of their life.[/FONT][/TD]

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[TD="width: 100%"][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]Some spouses see merit in faiths other than their own; at the other extreme, they may view other faiths as forms of Satanism.[/FONT][/TD]

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There are no general rules that fit all (or even most) inter/intra-faith couples. The degree of differences and amount of conflict vary widely from family to family.
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[TD="width: 100%"][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]their children in both faiths.[/FONT][/TD]

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[TD="width: 100%"][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]male children in the religion of the father, and girls in their mother's faith (or vice versa).[/FONT][/TD]

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[TD="width: 100%"][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]their first born in the father's religion, the second in the mother's faith, etc.[/FONT][/TD]

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[TD="width: 100%"][FONT=trebuchet ms,arial,helvetica]their children in a compromise faith. Unitarian Universalist and some other congregations often have comparative religious education courses for children.[/FONT][/TD]

 

[vgane]

The question arises -If the couple decided to get married against all odds they could have easily resolved all these differences before hand...Unfortunately Love is blind & defies logic too...Why would the girl remember her faith & long for it only after the IR marriage? She was foolish...She is now caught in a trap..Now there is no escape route..Fortunately husband is kind with her except on religious matters! So she has decided to stay with him..Will it be life long..What will happen if second child is born..These are mute questions

 

[prasad1]

Vganeji,
It also depends on your bias.
You are against IC, IR marriages. You would not like to see them successful.
I on the other hand respect the individuals and support their decisions. I do not like to impose my views on others.

 

[vgane]

Vganeji,
It also depends on your bias.
You are against IC, IR marriages. You would not like to see them successful.
I on the other hand respect the individuals and support their decisions. I do not like to impose my views on others.

Yes Prasadji...You are right...I am against IC & IR...The world is not hunky dory...These issues are never discussed in MSM & hence would like such instances where there is mental harassment of the hapless TB brought to light! Where else, but in this forum!! But you ascribing a wish to me that I would like these marriages be doomed is going too far.

 

[prasad1]

Vganeji, Yes, we will have this difference of opinion. But that is ok.
I value Personal Choice over group choice except in the case of national identity, or humanity.
My religion is a private matter and so is for others. I do not wear my religion on my sleeve.
I am not disparaging your views, and you are entitled to them.

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Ganesh,

There is a saying in Tamil: kalyANam Ayiram kAlaththup payir. This means that a wedded life does not end just by getting

married; it has to survive for a long time with happiness. This Iyer girl should have known about the parents in law, who

impose religion on her. And, if her husband was brave enough, he should have asked his parents not to interfere in his life!
He is a coward according to me. eep:

 

[prasad1]

Dear Ganesh,

There is a saying in Tamil: kalyANam Ayiram kAlaththup payir. This means that a wedded life does not end just by getting

married; it has to survive for a long time with happiness. This Iyer girl should have known about the parents in law, who

impose religion on her. And, if her husband was brave enough, he should have asked his parents not to interfere in his life!
He is a coward according to me. eep:

I fully agree with you. Then again the girl may not be bothered, it is the society that seems to be bothered.

 

[Raji Ram]

One NRI tambrahm girl married an American guy and added Iyer to her first daughter's name.

I wondered why she wants the Iyer tag, while she herself does not follow any of the Iyer customs!

 

[biswa]

It is called having your cake and eating it too.

 

[vgane]

There are some who realize the virtue of TB after their IC & IR! After going blind what is the use of Surya namaskar is a popular Tamil saying!

 

[CHANDRU1849]

Dear Ganesh,

There is a saying in Tamil: kalyANam Ayiram kAlaththup payir. This means that a wedded life does not end just by getting

married; it has to survive for a long time with happiness. This Iyer girl should have known about the parents in law, who

impose religion on her. And, if her husband was brave enough, he should have asked his parents not to interfere in his life!
He is a coward according to me. eep:

He is not coward. He is more fanatic than his mother. He imposes his views thru his mother.

Hindus are not very serious about their religion, since it is not an organized one. The girls probably thinks her husband is more important than her religion.

Such things are very uncommon among Muslim women. Hats off to them.

 

[kunjuppu]

He is not coward. He is more fanatic than his mother. He imposes his views thru his mother.

Hindus are not very serious about their religion, since it is not an organized one. The girls probably thinks her husband is more important than her religion.

Such things are very uncommon among Muslim women. Hats off to them.

i have niece who married a religious fanatic xtian convert. one of the protestant sects like jehovah's witness, i think.

in this case, it was a sad case, as she was sort of abandoned by parents and relatives and needed some support and protection. but had a great voice. now she sings xtian bajans and is a shadow of what she was, when she was young. no charm left. religious fanaticism leaves behind only anger and envy, i think.

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Kunjuppu Sir,

I have heard that lady's songs. Such a beautiful voice - wasted by the brahmin community!

Very sad!

 

[vgane]

i have niece who married a religious fanatic xtian convert. one of the protestant sects like jehovah's witness, i think.

in this case, it was a sad case, as she was sort of abandoned by parents and relatives and needed some support and protection. but had a great voice. now she sings xtian bajans and is a shadow of what she was, when she was young. no charm left. religious fanaticism leaves behind only anger and envy, i think.

Sir, Thanks for sharing this terrible true story..I noticed that TB's in general do not share their pain, anguish...Mostly it is mental self torture..May be it is do with the way we are brought up..I want this forum to openly debate such issues...This is not shared candidly in the media..

The information shared by you shows how wicked & merciless these Xtian husbands are...These Christians are generally anti Brahmin to the core (& relish anything that is anti B) & treat their Brahmin spouses like slaves!

Now Prasadji, you said that my post was one off

Now with this post the ground reality is exposed

Members, Please feel free to share such instances

The TB forums should only take these stories to our gullible TB folks (both girls & boys) and share the reality!! If this happens then the thread has created a positive momentum for action!!

 

[auh]

i have niece who married a religious fanatic xtian convert. one of the protestant sects like jehovah's witness, i think.

in this case, it was a sad case, as she was sort of abandoned by parents and relatives and needed some support and protection. but had a great voice. now she sings xtian bajans and is a shadow of what she was, when she was young. no charm left. religious fanaticism leaves behind only anger and envy, i think.

But why would you term it as a sad case? Was there any sort of reproach from her that she needed support and protection after marriage? Or was there a clash of ideas, and then she had a change of mind and her parents did not support her... ?

I understand if you do not want to discuss further on this.

religious fanaticism leaves behind only anger and envy

, and perhaps a sense of narrow-mindedness.

 

[CHANDRU1849]

i have niece who married a religious fanatic xtian convert. one of the protestant sects like jehovah's witness, i think.

in this case, it was a sad case, as she was sort of abandoned by parents and relatives and needed some support and protection. but had a great voice. now she sings xtian bajans and is a shadow of what she was, when she was young. no charm left. religious fanaticism leaves behind only anger and envy, i think.

Didn't she know at the time of marriage that her 'would be' is a fanatic and a non-Hindu? Form your statement, it seems it is a love marriage against the wishes of her family. How can she expect patronage from her parents and relatives.

It is the responsibility of parents to see their children, especially girls, not to go in for boys from other religions. It has to be stopped at any cost.

 

[kunjuppu]

auh vgane chandru,

it is a sad case of abandonment. the father was a no good fellow. it was left to the girl to take care of the mother. the relatives had their own family and issues to take care and expected a mid 20 girl to handle life. except she could not. and sought succour with the first guy who offered food shelter clothing and above all protection.

for her, as she even says now, it was a small compromise. let us stop at this. thank you.