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Brahmin Entrepreneurs

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The other side of the entrepreneurship coin, is the probability of a person going down the drain. Tabras are somehow not adaptable in this way; even if a male Tabra is prepared, his wife will not like this. Our women are so made that if they get two idlis and Chatni today for breakfast, they will resist getting one idli less or one spoon of Chutney less. The motto is always to go up and never to go down one step even. So, only otthaikkaTTais can freely think of making money as an enterpreneur. But the moment a tabra gets some savings, the first thing he will want is to get married!

If you are a Tabra enterpreneur, never employ another tabra even in the lowest of jobs. Jealousy, ego and comparison are so deep-rooted in the Brahmin mind that the moment a tabra enterpreneur becomes rich, other tabras around him will start planning for his downfall; if there are employees from our own community, whistleblowers will come up by the dozens. Since it is not possible to make money in an entrepreneurial venture without cutting some corners, you will be always vulnerable.

These two are phenomena that I have observed in many cases. But in this Forum, today, some idealists may come up with rebuttals to these. My only advice is please try to make some reasonable amount of money through enterpreneurship, continue and then you will learn for yourself.

Of course, you can go abroad and start an enterprise and succeed, provided you don't take any Tabra into your innermost circle.
 
The Tamil Brahmin community is the most successful community in starting industries. TVS, Simpsons, WS Insulators, Sankar cements and a host of other industries. In most of the industrial estates in Tamil Nadu you find a number of Brahmin entrepreneurs. Even in industries like manufacture of leather garments. Tamil Brahmins were highly successful in the olden days in starting hotels. Even now you find a number of messes in all the towns of Tamil Nadu. Catering is another industry. The Tamil Brahmins have also been successful in starting shops dealing in textiles.

The Tamil Brahmins are the most successful business community in Tamil Nadu. They have overtaken the Chettiars.
 
The Tamil Brahmin community is the most successful community in starting industries. TVS, Simpsons, WS Insulators, Sankar cements and a host of other industries. In most of the industrial estates in Tamil Nadu you find a number of Brahmin entrepreneurs. Even in industries like manufacture of leather garments. Tamil Brahmins were highly successful in the olden days in starting hotels. Even now you find a number of messes in all the towns of Tamil Nadu. Catering is another industry. The Tamil Brahmins have also been successful in starting shops dealing in textiles.

The Tamil Brahmins are the most successful business community in Tamil Nadu. They have overtaken the Chettiars.

Thanks for setting the records straight.
 
i think we as a community, have come a long way in the last 100 years. If you go to any of the small villages and towns of southern Andhra (erstwhile madras state) you will find pattars owning hotels. Most of them came to these places in the 40s and 50s, with hardly any cash, opened small tea shops and have prospered.

the big companies, like TVS or Amalgamations, though nominally brahmin, by their very nature of public limited companies, opened up their management cadres to the professional managers.

good entrepreneurship, i think, is best evidenced, by the small individual initiator. we had lawyers of yore, who were essentially, a single point of business. today maybe we have chartered accountants, each with their own office, a few clerks and a handful of clients.

the same thing goes in IT where folks with special skillsets set themselves up as consultants. There is big money in being an SAP consultant for example – S250 an hour, and I have a few friends who earn that type of money. Which works out (at 40 hours per week for 50 weeks a year) to 500,000 dolla a year. The only snag, is the person has to travel where the job is – across states or even continents (a friend of mine from USA took up a 3 year assignment in Singapore and in the process saved enough to celebrate two grand weddings of his daughters back to back within a month).

There is a whole slew of tambrams who are into the wedding planning business in chennai. Making tons of money from the look of it. All of them started off with honesty and good products, but what I hear, is that with success, comes corruption, arrogance and above all poor delivery. I don’t know why that should happen. Consistency of quality, I think, is the key to long term success, and personal satisfaction.

When I was young, a friend of my dad’s started a small appalam store – basically selling applams, murkukkus and such stuff, that his wife made. As one know, the key to success is freshness. The guy’s product was not good, and most often stale. Out of a sense of loyalty my dad used to purchase stuff, but he had not many customers, and soon went out of business.

Nowadays, there are plenty of tambrams who are into the catering business. Ie delivery of meals 3 times a day to retirees or for functions. This is a handsomely rewarding enterprise, with very low cost structure. I know a mama/mami in abhiramapuram, who are doing this for the past 10 years since the mama took a voluntary retirement. With the money earned, 2 daughters have been married off, and a son sent to USA for higher studies. Their quality is good, but they are honest enough to know their limits. They have no hesitation in refusing orders, beyond their limit to supply, with quality and freshness.

I don’t know about tambrams beating chettiars re business. There is no special reason to compare ourselves with other communities. If that be so, I think nadars and muslims are way ahead of other groups in tamil nadu, as is evidenced by these using their money, i think, also to buy political influence.

money can influence power, as is evidenced by the jews in the usa. we tambrams, through our business, have just managed to escape poverty, and slip into middle class. i think.
 
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i agreed ,.....some what fine...still i feel we are fit for clerks./stenographer/typist...we were gud gumasthas in british era....

we work hard/honesty....many of our ancestors were clerks in court of british rulers....we like to work 10 to 5... not more than that...

we are not patels as good enterprenuers....see in USA....in a foreign land... maximum motels/gas stations/convenience stores..,

even with out proper english knowledge....they survive..i heard that in New jersy....if we know gujarati...we can survive...

they work for 7 days...even ready for 24 hours...we are white colar job ppl....im sorry to say....we are good workers...

not good masters......our hereditary blood kind of good slave....we work very well under supervision...
 
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One of the main reasons for Tamil Brahmins not getting into Business is the general attitude of the community. The community frown on them. It is difficult if not impossible to get a Bride even for successful business men.

Again family support is totally lacking. I remember long back one of my relatives floated a company with a friend of his. He wanted the family members to take shares so that he could have a sizable percentage of shares. Our family refused whereas the family of his friend who is not a Tamil Brahmin supported him. The net result was that when the company grew big the friend got control of the company and ousted my relative.

Compare this with Gujarat where it is difficult to get a Bride for a man who is in service.
 
One of the main reasons for Tamil Brahmins not getting into Business is the general attitude of the community. The community frown on them. It is difficult if not impossible to get a Bride even for successful business men.

Again family support is totally lacking. I remember long back one of my relatives floated a company with a friend of his. He wanted the family members to take shares so that he could have a sizable percentage of shares. Our family refused whereas the family of his friend who is not a Tamil Brahmin supported him. The net result was that when the company grew big the friend got control of the company and ousted my relative.

Compare this with Gujarat where it is difficult to get a Bride for a man who is in service.

ss,

i tend to agree with you. gujaratis may be a unique case, but it is worthwhile emulating them.

had a relative working in baroda, with ioc. almost all his colleagues had some sort of a business on the side. the ioc job was a source of steady income, while the business was there to take risks and increase prosperity. even the lowliest gujju peon had a dookhaan somewhere, managed by the wife.

according to my relative, the gujjus did not necessarily feel the end of the world if the children did badly at school. in fact, to them, this was an opportunity to turn these young minds into doing business. their arguement was - with money, you can always get the best tamil brahmin to help run the business - TBs have atleast a reputation for hard work; most important, they have also a sense of loyalty, and absolute lack of entrepreneurship. So that the business secrets are safe. better than hiring a fellow gujju, who would take the job only to learn, and start a competing business after he had learned the ropes. :)

i agree that learning to do business is the best career path. my dad became a small entrepreneur, after he was insulted by his boss, while on a job. he struggled initially, and was never rich. but he had his pride intact, and was able to comfortably provide for his family and educate his children. sadly though, his children, more on his own urgings, opted the college route, and are wage earners :(
 
i think we as a community, have come a long way in the last 100 years. If you go to any of the small villages and towns of southern Andhra (erstwhile madras state) you will find pattars owning hotels. Most of them came to these places in the 40s and 50s, with hardly any cash, opened small tea shops and have prospered.

the big companies, like TVS or Amalgamations, though nominally brahmin, by their very nature of public limited companies, opened up their management cadres to the professional managers.

good entrepreneurship, i think, is best evidenced, by the small individual initiator. we had lawyers of yore, who were essentially, a single point of business. today maybe we have chartered accountants, each with their own office, a few clerks and a handful of clients.

the same thing goes in IT where folks with special skillsets set themselves up as consultants. There is big money in being an SAP consultant for example – S250 an hour, and I have a few friends who earn that type of money. Which works out (at 40 hours per week for 50 weeks a year) to 500,000 dolla a year. The only snag, is the person has to travel where the job is – across states or even continents (a friend of mine from USA took up a 3 year assignment in Singapore and in the process saved enough to celebrate two grand weddings of his daughters back to back within a month).

There is a whole slew of tambrams who are into the wedding planning business in chennai. Making tons of money from the look of it. All of them started off with honesty and good products, but what I hear, is that with success, comes corruption, arrogance and above all poor delivery. I don’t know why that should happen. Consistency of quality, I think, is the key to long term success, and personal satisfaction.

When I was young, a friend of my dad’s started a small appalam store – basically selling applams, murkukkus and such stuff, that his wife made. As one know, the key to success is freshness. The guy’s product was not good, and most often stale. Out of a sense of loyalty my dad used to purchase stuff, but he had not many customers, and soon went out of business.

Nowadays, there are plenty of tambrams who are into the catering business. Ie delivery of meals 3 times a day to retirees or for functions. This is a handsomely rewarding enterprise, with very low cost structure. I know a mama/mami in abhiramapuram, who are doing this for the past 10 years since the mama took a voluntary retirement. With the money earned, 2 daughters have been married off, and a son sent to USA for higher studies. Their quality is good, but they are honest enough to know their limits. They have no hesitation in refusing orders, beyond their limit to supply, with quality and freshness.

I don’t know about tambrams beating chettiars re business. There is no special reason to compare ourselves with other communities. If that be so, I think nadars and muslims are way ahead of other groups in tamil nadu, as is evidenced by these using their money, i think, also to buy political influence.

money can influence power, as is evidenced by the jews in the usa. we tambrams, through our business, have just managed to escape poverty, and slip into middle class. i think.

Kunjuppu,

Tamil Brahmin business have been influencing Politics for a long time. I can quote instances. But I refrain from that for obvious reasons. But we do not do it like the communities you have mentioned. Unlike the so called traditional Brahmins the businessmen have realized that it is not possible for the Brahmins to get political power. The Nadars and Muslims have numbers. We do not. We are following the example of Marwaris.

Jews in U.S have an entire country to back them up. Israel. Again they have taken advantage of the guilty feeling of the Christians for the holocaust. And then the anti-Jew feeling is extremely strong among almost all groups. We have never had to face such a situation.

The Brahmin industrial groups were giving jobs only to Brahmins for a long time. Brhamins from a particular region, sect and sub-sect. I know of a marketing manager of a company who got that position because his father was the family priest of the company founder. But they almost went bankrupt because of such policies and now they are hiring professionals. There was an article about how the Marwaris have lost their position in Indian industry because of their archaic practices.

You should help and promote the community. But not at the cost of the company.

Even while recruiting a cook for my house, I was particular about her qualifications and attitude because I wanted a good cook. All other things being equal I preferred a Brahmin. But I would not recruit a stinking, quarrelsome woman who lays down conditions just because she is a Brahmin.
 
I have lived in Gujarat for nearly 40 years. I have observed that they have certain set goals in their life. Gujaratis have very little interest in politics. They are more interested in money matters.

One thing every Gujarati yearns is to own a house. This is the first priority. Therefore, persons in any job will also do what is called side-business. Again there is a lot of community support for businessmen. For example, diamond polishing business is almost exclusively in the hands of Gujarati jains. They would normally not allow any other community to enter this business.

Similarly Patels own tiles and clock manufacturing factories apart from agriculture. It is their monopoly. One more group is the Swaminarayan sect, which is quite rich and consist mostly of Patels. While doing business, the members of the sect prefer to give order to another member of the same sect. Disputes are settled by the Pramukhswami of the sect. As a result members of this sect flourish.

All the mercantile communities, including Marwaris, maintain sizeable funds which are lent out to to prospective businessmen/entrepreneurs free of interest. Sucessful entrepreneurs repay the loan and contribute additional funds. If the enterprise fails due to genuine reasons, the amount is written off. Of course, if there is any mala fide intention, then the person is boycotted by the community which will make life difficult for the person concerned.

Caste groupings are used to great advantage in business and enterprise.
 
<edited> Refrain from posting messages that are totally unnecessary (whatever the intention might, even if funny). the message posted was uncalled for and def not in a good spirit... Please do not post provocative messages.


ps: hope you are finding good health.
 
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Completely untrue. It is true that most of the Gujarathis are into business, but there is nothing like difficulty in getting brides for salaried Gujarathis.

Can you prove it? I can not. It is your understanding against mine.
 
Nobody in this topic has mentioned about the varna dharma. Yes, Brahmins by their practices cannot remain as brahmins if they become entrepreneurs. Practice of thrikala sandhyavandhan, nithyanushtana, vedic chanting, conducting shrardhas, rituals, poojas, upanayanams, all become difficult. So you can be a half brahmana AND half vysya. Yest i am myself an example. When my nithyanushtana gets a beating to meet my business necessity, i fell guilty. If i am not able to attend Pradosha Pooja and do chanting, i feel guilty. One has to come out of this guilt andthen only he can be an entrepreneur. This is a micro analysis. Coming to macro, as brahmins, first your family wants a secular life and thus never supports you including your spouse, next some of the practices in buisiness life like visiting all places, taking food at all places, at all times, and all types of foods or parties come in the way of your brahminical way of life. Again, in Society not many are there to help you or support you as a community person for your business activity. If a vysya starts a venture, say a layout, his community people will flock and make that layout a success which is not the case. Instead a brahmin who purchased site in that layout will at the need of money will not hesitate to sell it to a muslim also. That is our unity. Marriage alliances for business brahmin is difficult even if he or she is successful. Govt. level we get zero support. Still if there are corporates then they all have existed for some generations and the new ones have adapted, repeat ADAPTED to business practices and sacrificed BRAHMINIC community assistance. This is the reality.
 
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