Brahmin must be united and fight for fiundamental rights

[SGANESHAN]

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My suggestions are :1.We must start our own political party and we must get some representation to voice our concerns in assembly or parlimentThis will help our younger generation to get some reliefMy daughter has scored 97.33% in Plus 2 and she was district first(Vellore) but still we could not get MBBS seatWhy ? due to reservation policiesWe must align with good political party and we must ask our quotaWe have every right to question them and today we are most backward economicallyStill we should not curd rice and should not sit at homePeople must be ready to fight outRegardsS.GANESANMuscat

 

[kunjuppu]

ganesan,

i am so sorry to hear about the disappointment suffered by your daughter. hopefully, while she can get admitted in a private medical college with all the capitation fees, and with you being in muscat, hopefully it is affordable.

i am 100% with you that this is unfair for your daughter. i am not sure the intricacies and complexities of today's socio-political india, will provide a quick solution to resolve your daughter's issue. it may be another couple of generations, for that to happen.

 

[alva183]

Dear Sri Ganesan,

I really felt bad on reading your article and really it is pathetic to hear that after scoring such high marks Medical seats have become a nightmare for Brahmins in Tamil Nadu because of the dirty reservation policies. Please convey my Best Wishes for your Daughter.

Now coming to your point No.1 first I would like to raise a question and if you can find a answer then other things will be easy. DO WE BRAHMINS HAVE UNITY AT ANY POINT OF TIME.

 

[kunjuppu]

dear ganesan,

now that you have had close to 11 hours to chew on my sympathies, maybe it is time that i narrate a story lesson from my family.

this happened early 1980s at the probable height of anti brahmin feelings fanned by MK and gang. my girl cousin got about 98% in PUC science, but unable to get a medical seat. her application was laughed off,as belonging to FC, when she went for the interview. inspite of the fact, that she was a cute stunner and accomplished sports person. and natyam.

as dad refused to pay any kimblams, girl cous, did her bsc biology, and then msc biology in madras university. she went to usa did master, phd and now v.p. of a world renowned biotech company in the usa. a few years ago reminsced, and told me, that her being rejected to mbbs was probably among the better things that happened to her. instead of hanging a board in chennai, and waiting for clients, here she was, doing her own thing, managing close to 200 million dolla annual budget, a cutting edge brand name scientist and all the fame/travel that goes along with it. yada yada yada.

ganesan, the moral of the story, is that, closing one door, may infact open a better door. the important thing is not to lose heart, but take it in stride and move on. and not feel self pity, and even worse, become a fodder to the hand wringers and breast beaters.

the reason for tambram alienation from tamil society, no one in this forum will agree on the reasons, except the fact, that there is alienation on a societal level, if not on a personal one.

once again, my sympathies, but also now i pose a challenge to your daughter, to convert this setback to an even greater victory in life. she may have lost a battle, but the whole war is ahead, and she will win.

God Bless.

 

[kameshratnam]

Sir, i request you to approach SRMC College @ PORUR or may be approach and write to Ms J Jayalalithaa our honorable Chief Minister of tamilnadu. I am sure there can be a sure solution for this
God bless

 

[SGANESHAN]

Brahmins must be united

Dear Sri Ganesan,

I really felt bad on reading your article and really it is pathetic to hear that after scoring such high marks Medical seats have become a nightmare for Brahmins in Tamil Nadu because of the dirty reservation policies. Please convey my Best Wishes for your Daughter.

Now coming to your point No.1 first I would like to raise a question and if you can find a answer then other things will be easy. DO WE BRAHMINS HAVE UNITY AT ANY POINT OF TIME.

No, Brahmins are not united and we are not prepared to come to street and fight for our justice. I think all are must be united for common cause and this will happen thro lot of brain storming. Iyengar and Iyer are not joining togther and this should change. We have reservation to mix within our own brahmin community and we do not encourage to marry Iyer girl marrying to Iyengar boy. Even we do not allow the tamil brahmin marrying to Kerala iyer or andhra or north india. We must allow clutural changes to bring such unity.

 

[Nacchinarkiniyan]

Way back in the 1962 one of my friends got a rank in the Higher Secondary examination in Hyderabad. He was denied admission in the local engineering college because he was not a Mulki (resident of Telengana). He applied for admission to Tamil Nadu engineering colleges. He was denied admission because ehe was a Brahmin. His marks were H and D+. You can not go any higher than that.

Tamil Nadu had a D.T.E at that time who denied seats to all Brahmins. He rejected them at the interview stage. He interviewed them alone.

My friend got admission in I.I.T as a rank holder. They had special quota for rank holders.

Many Brahmins who had H & D+ were denied admission. They got admission in regional engineering colleges and colleges outside the state.

This was when there were Tamil Brahmin Ministers in the state and centre. They took care of their friends and relatives. They never bothered to counter the virulent anti-Brahminism or help the community. They were only bothered about keeping their own positions.

 

[SGANESHAN]

Dear Mr.Kunjuppu

Thanks for your concern and advise

My daughter passed out Plus 2 Exams in the year 2005.

My daughter took BE computer science and she scored 90% in her BE and she got appointment in IBM and this year she got married. Eventhough we are from Tamilnadu I gave my daughter to a kerala Iyer and I want to have mixed culture. By God grace she is now carrying

Now she is not working and she will get a job after delivery.

I also took this as challenge and infact I have advised her to do her MBA while sitting at home

Really I am glad to receive so many response from our Brahmin friends and we must be united to fight for our cause

We are taken as Granted and even in cinemas our community is used for many stories and we do not raise our voice

This should change and our generation must start to come to street and fight for our next generation.

 

[SGANESHAN]

Brahimin community do not help our own people

Way back in the 1962 one of my friends got a rank in the Higher Secondary examination in Hyderabad. He was denied admission in the local engineering college because he was not a Mulki (resident of Telengana). He applied for admission to Tamil Nadu engineering colleges. He was denied admission because ehe was a Brahmin. His marks were H and D+. You can not go any higher than that.

Tamil Nadu had a D.T.E at that time who denied seats to all Brahmins. He rejected them at the interview stage. He interviewed them alone.

My friend got admission in I.I.T as a rank holder. They had special quota for rank holders.

Many Brahmins who had H & D+ were denied admission. They got admission in regional engineering colleges and colleges outside the state.

This was when there were Tamil Brahmin Ministers in the state and centre. They took care of their friends and relatives. They never bothered to counter the virulent anti-Brahminism or help the community. They were only bothered about keeping their own positions.

Dear Sir

It is exactly.
Our own community people who are enjoying top position do not support the poor people.If you take keralite irrespective of religion they support each other. Once one keralite recruited anywhere he will bring many keralites.
Same way our community people has to support each other. Ofcourse we are all straight forward and we must change to support our community.
I have studied in Sri Ramakrishna Math and now Govt is not allowing to give higher representation to brahmins.
People are taking as Granted and for every criticism in films our community is being used and how long we are going to tolerate

Many people used to say "iyers are only interested to eat Curd rice and they do not react"
We must change such things

 

[SGANESHAN]

Dear Sir

Actor Murali has got MBBS seat for his daughter thro CM Jayalalitha
I have written so many letters to tamilnadu CM special cell and there was no response
Who ever in Political now they support only those party people only.Actor Murali has joined AIADMK only for this and he got benefit.
That is the reason I am suggesting to convert our Brahimin assocation as Political wing and we must stand united and fight for our younger generation.Atleast our future generation should not suffer

 

[Nacchinarkiniyan]

Nepotism exists all over the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepotism

I have seen Keralites bring their own kith and Kin to Bombay. But not all Keralites. Only from his own town/district. In 1968/69 when Shiv Sena agitation against South Indians in Bombay was at its peak, Tamil Brahmin candidates always wished for an interview board with all Maharashtrians. They would be fair. But Tamil Brahmins or Keralites in the board would prefer their own kith and kin. But when it came to general Tamil Brahmin or Keralites, they would reject them to show that they are fair.

Many Tamil Brahmins do reject other Tamil brahmin candidates to show their fairness.

In the 1960s even the top ranking Tamil Brahmin I.I.T graduates did not get even an interview call from the Brahmin Industries in Tamil Nadu. They preferred their kith and kin who were far less qualified. Even there not all Brahmins. You may be surprised to know that even your native place and your sub caste mattered most. Yes Sub caste.

Things have improved a lot now.

Please do not recommend Nepotism. That is against Merit.

 

[sangom]

My suggestions are :1.We must start our own political party and we must get some representation to voice our concerns in assembly or parlimentThis will help our younger generation to get some reliefMy daughter has scored 97.33% in Plus 2 and she was district first(Vellore) but still we could not get MBBS seatWhy ? due to reservation policiesWe must align with good political party and we must ask our quotaWe have every right to question them and today we are most backward economicallyStill we should not curd rice and should not sit at homePeople must be ready to fight outRegardsS.GANESANMuscat

Shri Ganesan,

Brahmins constitute a very small percentage of population in most states of India - highest is in the erstwhile UP and near about 10% I think. Becasue brahmins had been held in the highest esteem by all other Hindus for thousands of years and since the brahmins alone knew, interpreted and explained all the difficult and intricate points relating to the scriptures, they (brahmins) in most parts of India had gradually assumed a sense of superiority, the other side of which is high individualistic position tending to the egotistical in many of us. You ask the poor brahmin making curry powder, pickles, vadaams etc., door-to-door, carrying two or three heavy bags whether he will sweep the floor of your house for extra-payment of a good amount, and you will see rage in his face. Ask the same thing to the NB paperwalla and he will accept and say he will do it in the evening, send his wife during the day or somehow do the job and get the income. (This is my actual experience.) Reason is that the brahmin still considers doing menial work under someone else as demeaning and an insult to him, though he is virtually told off in every house which is no longer interested in his home-made pickles and all that.

If this is the mindset of a BPL brahmin, you can just think of people like the members here, some of whom will come at the very top of the brahmin rich. There is a saying hundred brahmins and hundred and one rules; in the same way hundred brahmins will soon split to make 101 parties.

Coming to your specific problem, do you sincerely feel that the tabras who wax eloquent here against reservation are really bothered about its effects? IMO, not at all, as I see from many cases of my relatives living in TN. The members here have only this one valid point to score over the kazhagam parties and they want to make full use of it in a Forum like this, in their spare time, and that too without any harm to them or their family; the "double tumbler" system, atrocities against the dalits reportedly being indulged in by NBFCs etc., are added because some of the FC people are able to get Backward caste certificates and thus they overcome the reservation block against them. And tabras are just unable to skirt the reservation blockade as these NBs do.

(For example "viLakki thala naayar" (old barber or "kshurakan" "ampattan" in Malayalam) belongs to OBC now and some nairs may be able to get a caste certificate as viLakki thala naayar. But I know for a fact that people belonging to many castes started taking up barber's job for their livelihood once upon a time and their descendents now will surely benefit because no Tahsildar will be having records to show that they were not viLakki thala naayar.

Such things happened, at least in Kerala, because the historical tendency of Namboothiris was to classify people and castes as low, pertaining to the lowest sudra category so that the power and pelf enjoyed by them, the Namboodiris, is not claimed by any one else. As one foreign sociologist remarked in his book on Travancore, if only the Namboothiris had the foresight and large heartedness to allow Namboothiri status to - at the least - all the male children born of their extra-marital "sambandhams" with the lowest caste women, Kerala today will have been a predominantly Namboodiri country and the proselytisation from those lowest castes would also have been significantly less, since a person born of a lowest caste mother getting the Namboodiri status could never have been induced by the Christian missionaries to switch faith.)

I cannot definitely say the evolution in TN (may be HappyHindu will be able to say authoritatively) but tabras also seem to be paying the price for their practice of exclusivity once upon a time.

As Shri Kunjuppu says, better future may be awaiting your daughter. So, please don't think that a medical admission is the summum bonum of her life. My best wishes for a bright future for her.

 

[SGANESHAN]

Nepotism exists all over the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nepotism

I have seen Keralites bring their own kith and Kin to Bombay. But not all Keralites. Only from his own town/district. In 1968/69 when Shiv Sena agitation against South Indians in Bombay was at its peak, Tamil Brahmin candidates always wished for an interview board with all Maharashtrians. They would be fair. But Tamil Brahmins or Keralites in the board would prefer their own kith and kin. But when it came to general Tamil Brahmin or Keralites, they would reject them to show that they are fair.

Many Tamil Brahmins do reject other Tamil brahmin candidates to show their fairness.

In the 1960s even the top ranking Tamil Brahmin I.I.T graduates did not get even an interview call from the Brahmin Industries in Tamil Nadu. They preferred their kith and kin who were far less qualified. Even there not all Brahmins. You may be surprised to know that even your native place and your sub caste mattered most. Yes Sub caste.

Things have improved a lot now.

Please do not recommend Nepotism. That is against Merit.

We , Brahmins normally desciplined and we do not encourage any favouratism. Even in my present job some outside people used to offer money and all and I never used to accept .One party told me that you people do not know how to encash opportunity but we belive in our own conscience and God belief

Ramadoss started his own vanniar sangam and they indulged in all Violence and then he started party and now they have own vote bank. We also must participate in our political system

Govt is trying to bring reservation quota even in IIM,IIT and all and they were trying to bring in Private companies also. Where we will stand and how our younger generation grow and even after getting their good marks they are not getting seats means how their mentality and their morale also will be affected.How long people can go to other countires leaving all the thing at their home.

Due to God we are surviving and many people have migrated to many other countires but for everything we are paying a price. For earning money we are not able to follow the traditions and we do not know when many festival are coming ?How many brahmins now able to do Sandyavandhanam and very few are able to do ?

Our generation almost gone but I am worried about the next generation and God alone can save them

 

[informed]

You ask the poor brahmin making curry powder, pickles, vadaams etc., door-to-door, carrying two or three heavy bags whether he will sweep the floor of your house for extra-payment of a good amount, and you will see rage in his face. Ask the same thing to the NB paperwalla and he will accept and say he will do it in the evening, send his wife during the day or somehow do the job and get the income. (This is my actual experience.)

First of all, this story is prejudiced, because, paperwala is not a full time job, they are part time usually young people who may not mind extra money for sweeping. One paperwala accepting this doesn't mean everyone will. I asked my regular NB fruit seller and NB bottle buyer to do my garden, they refused. A brahmin pickle and papad seller is a full time business man and no reason why he should sweep your house for an extra few bucks.

Reason is that the brahmin still considers doing menial work under someone else as demeaning and an insult to him, though he is virtually told off in every house which is no longer interested in his home-made pickles and all that.

Is it just me who find this characterization mischievous? If Brahmins are like this, we wouldn't see so this many brahmins in beaurocracy. Who said houses are no longer interested, this is a decent business now. If not pickle, they will make papad. Attributing motive just because someone chooses to make pickle for living than sweeping your house sounds quite prejudiced. Plus, there are many souchalayas in UP where brahmins work on daily wage. Its the poverty and lack of job opportunities that drive people into any work, not the caste. This is a crude misunderstanding.

The members here have only this one valid point to score over the kazhagam parties and they want to make full use of it in a Forum like this, in their spare time, and that too without any harm to them or their family;

Is it because you don't see any valid point agaist kazhagams or you think no other member can see those valid points that you see. Either case, looks like you know every member to the extent that you have attributed a personal motive and character.

the "double tumbler" system, atrocities against the dalits reportedly being indulged in by NBFCs etc., are added because some of the FC people are able to get Backward caste certificates and thus they overcome the reservation block against them. And tabras are just unable to skirt the reservation blockade as these NBs do.

ov ov, indulged by NB'FC'? I appreciate your example below, but the double tumbler systems in villages near thenkasi, udumalipetai or ramanadapuram are not by any FC at all, they are practiced by MBCs. Your NBFC sounds very kerala and nair specific and unfortunately I don't have data which gives prominance to NB'FC' for the double tumbler practice, neither have you given any.

(For example "viLakki thala naayar" (old barber or "kshurakan" "ampattan" in Malayalam) belongs to OBC now and some nairs may be able to get a caste certificate as viLakki thala naayar. But I know for a fact that people belonging to many castes started taking up barber's job for their livelihood once upon a time and their descendents now will surely benefit because no Tahsildar will be having records to show that they were not viLakki thala naayar.

So what is the point? do you want to say vilakki thala naayars should not get benefit because centuries back they were not socially deprived?

Such things happened, at least in Kerala, because the historical tendency of Namboothiris was to classify people and castes as low, pertaining to the lowest sudra category so that the power and pelf enjoyed by them, the Namboodiris, is not claimed by any one else. As one foreign sociologist remarked in his book on Travancore, if only the Namboothiris had the foresight and large heartedness to allow Namboothiri status to - at the least - all the male children born of their extra-marital "sambandhams" with the lowest caste women, Kerala today will have been a predominantly Namboodiri country and the proselytisation from those lowest castes would also have been significantly less, since a person born of a lowest caste mother getting the Namboodiri status could never have been induced by the Christian missionaries to switch faith.)

I agree to historical tendancy of namboodris, for whatever reason it is. But I believe it is against the forum rules to directly abusing Namboodiris that they had extra marital affair to an extent comparable to the size of christian soul harvesting. May we know who was that foreign sociologist who produced this data and for what historic period, any reference, assuming he did produce data? Statements with no reference is also against the forum rules. Looks like you have not seen the rules for some time as you are a vetaran here. Total brahmins in Kerala is 1.6% and christians form 19%(wiki), you are saying majority of converted lower castes are from namboodri fathers which doesn't tally even by far. I think this example is only an attempt to ridicule brahmins as a whole, though these namboodris and nairs are not even related to *******, rather namboodris even treated Iyers differently(wiki). I don't even understand why this is being mentioned here.

I cannot definitely say the evolution in TN (may be HappyHindu will be able to say authoritatively) but tabras also seem to be paying the price for their practice of exclusivity once upon a time.

Is that your observation or justification? This is the basic point of contention between pro-reservation and anti-reservation groups I believe. If paying price for once-upon-a-time practice is made the rule of social justice, I wonder what will happen to this world. Fortunately, not many previously deprived groups preserve this much of hate against their perceived previous oppressors.

 

[alva183]

Dear Sir,

At present the basic qualification to start a political party in India is minimum 10 criminal cases pending against the leader and if any murder is committed he will be better qualified as such I sincerely hope our community members are disqualified in this basic angle even though we do not have any unity among ourselves we are god fearing.

 

[rishikesan]

dear Friends, Despite the saying that we are not united, do not help one another etc, there is practically no problem for higher education, for Brahmins since Engg Colleges are huge in number & all boys / Girls can get , in any one, including their choice. Those days have passed when everything worked against the interest of T.N. brahmins,. But in the last15 years Brahmins, individually are quite smart to find ways & means , not only to secure admission to their wards, & manage the required finance thru Banks or whatever.
Let us invite our members to get the cases , wherein our Boys /Girls/ could not succeed , && correct reasons for the same. analysed objectively, we would be in a position to make out the remedial measures to ensure resolving the same.
A.Srinivasan (rishikesan)

 

[rishikesan]

Dear Friends, I reiterate what I had written above. There is no point in discussing about Reservation, now, because it has been settled & the Brahmins have, by and large, have reconciled to the position. So, none of T.Bs go for I.A.S. ,when doors have been wide open, in the last 20 years in the I.T field . why to climb STAIRS --when the LIFT is waiting for you.
A.Srinivasan

 

[H.Krishnamurthy]

Status of Brahmin

Dear Mr. Ganesan,
What you are trying to tell is quite right.
Unity among Brahmins and get down to streets for your rights.
With whom you are going to fight against government or the other caste people those who are enjoying the benefit out of the Tax paid by Brahmins.
Our ill-fate was written by the great Ambedkar in 1950 itself as indian constitution.
It allows any other caste / community in future can be considered for reservation like B.C. / O.B.C. but under any circumstances Brahmins should not be considered.
Even they are minority in a particular state or Economically weaker than all other community in that state they should always be treated as F.C.
This was blindly adopted by a Brahmin, a kashmiri Pandit Mr. Nehru.
Now we have to find out a leader capable of withstanding the Rakshasas like M.K., Veeramani, Lalu ,Sharad and other such fellows .
Is it possible .
If so I am here to follow the suit. I am with you people.
This I am telling you bcoz during my student days I used to walk or at times used to go by Public transport and was asked to pay a fees of 400/- a year which my father was paying with great difficulty , where as one of my close friend who used to get drop by his father or by his driver by own Fiat car and was not paying single pie as fees bcoz he was S.C.
People talk of social justice and so many other things but where is the justice.

Certain bad things happened to our country is birth of such fellows like B.R.A. Periyar, Anna , M.K,.K.Veeramani even Pandit nehru.
It is our ill fate and will prey the almighty for total change in near future.