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Can truth be organized?

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The following is an excerpt of a dialogue between a popular Thinker who lived in the 20th Century and his follower, published in a magazine:

Question:

What have you to say regarding religion and philosophy as educative factor in the life of an individual? How far, according to you is religion of any value to the understanding of truth? Is religious leadership compatible with true spirituality? What is your conception of God?

Answer:

Religion or philosophy is a system to mould the mind. I say that truth cannot be found through a system, through a guide. Religion cannot show the path to truth, because truth or God or life, whatever name you give that reality, can be realized only through individual awareness. Religion and philosophy but superimpose the ideas of others on your mind and thereby dull and cripple your thought. They set up ideals and standards to which you try to conform. Because your thought is limited by tradition, by imitation, by fear, your action also must be limited, and therefore out of that action there springs sorrow. It is only through the intense awareness of mind and heart, through the clear perception of thought, that you can come to the freedom from sorrow and to the realization of that which is eternal.

Truth cannot be realized through any organized form of thought. You have perhaps heard the story of how the devil and his companion were walking one day, and they say a man pick up something, look at it intently, and put it in his pocket. The companion asked the devil, 'What was it that he picked up?' The devil replied, 'Oh, he picked up a bit of truth'. The companion said, 'That is bad business for you, is it not?' The devil replied, 'Not at all, I shall help him organize it'.

You cannot organize truth, because realization is purely an individual matter. Where mind and heart are pursuing a system and are not relying entirely on their own strength, on their own integrity, there is ever confusion.

So an organized system of thought, a spiritual authority, is to me the utter denial of truth, becase truth, the Godhead of understanding, cannot be realized through a system or through another. No one can save man except himself; and this is his greatness, viz., that in himself, in his own fullness of action, lies the realization of truth.

If you were to ask a Hindu, a Christian, a Buddhist, a Muhammadan or a Hebrew to describe God, each of them would try to give expression to his particular conception. That is, each one would contrive to give shape to God in accordance with his particular fancy, his particular predilection or prejudice.

Now God or life or truth cannot be conceived of or described. If you had never beheld the sea and someone were to come and describe it to you, you could but imagine it, and your idea would not convey to you the reality.

- Star Bulletin, March-April 1933
 
Hi Brahmachari,

The quote presented by you is flawed. If I say truth is Gross and presents itself as such to one who looks for it, where is the need for organizing bits of it? You get it or you do not get it and there is no question of getting it in bits and pieces. When you look at a religion you look for a ready made solution which is complete and believing that you have got it you buy it from the market and that is the basic problem with you. But religion is not that. It is just an instruction manual which explains what is truth and how your thought process can take you to it. It also tells you what are the pitfalls on the process path. It does not present you with the truth. It shows only the way to the truth. Following the instruction manual you can build your own truth finding machine like you can build a solar cell with the help of an instruction manual and a few cell plates. Your quote confuses ends with means and that is a classic case of confusion. From time in the distant past we have been witnessing such confused souls and their lectures bordering on nihilism. LOL.
 
How do you define truth?
If you define it as Satya :
Satya is a central concept in Indian religions. It is a Sanskrit word that loosely translates into English as "unchangeable", "that which pervades the universe in all its constancy". It is also interpreted as "absolute truth" or "reality". There can not be two Satyas. It is universal and everlasting.

All other "truths" are dependent on space and time.
For example an apples falls down, but that is true only on earth, in zero gravity it may not fall down. The perceived "truths" depends on the perceiver. So it is only conditional truth.

"What is truth?" is a very simple question. Of course, answering it isn't so simple. We can offer definitions like "Truth is that which conforms to reality, fact, or actuality." But this basic definition is not complete because its definition is open to interpretation and a wide variety of applications. What is reality? What is fact? What is actuality? How does perception affect truth? We could offer answers for each of these questions, but then we could again ask similar questions of those answers.
 
truth is called prabashika satyam which is truth for sometimes and then false and naimittika satyam which is truth for mundane existence and nittya satyam that is god which is eternal - definition by sri adi sankara
 
Just wanted to add - If we dont even know what Truth(s) is (are), then whence cometh the question of organizing it?
 
That which is within us and outside us are the same..So there is only one "Truth". Hence the question of organizing the only truth does not exist.
 
Madam,

You seem to be an ardent fan of Renuka playing second fiddle to whatever she says!!!


Dear Brahms Ji,

You are fairly new to forum..just to let you know there was once a thread called "Renuka Fan Club" started by a member here!LOL

But one cant be in the limelight for too long...cos fans come and go.

Right now my fan club is totally inactive.
 
Dear Brahms Ji,

You are fairly new to forum..just to let you know there was once a thread called "Renuka Fan Club" started by a member here!LOL

But one cant be in the limelight for too long...cos fans come and go.

Right now my fan club is totally inactive.

I would like to differ. Likes have been taken out, but fan club is still very active. I just posted a comment on your post in a different thread.
 
TKSji.
It depends on how flexible you are back bemding pose.webp
 
Is this truth organized :-)?

Can Truth ever be organized?

In order for something to be organized it has to be disorganized to start with..so lets go into detail.

Truth in its highest form is the Truth the Whole Truth and Nothing but the Truth.

Now even when it comes to creation (according to Hinduism) as long the Gunas remained in a state of equilibrium creation did not take place..the scales of the Guna has to tip to God knows which direction to jump start creation..now something is said to be disorganized when its no more in a state of equilibrium...hence creation happened becos of Organized Disorganization.
I have used the word Organized Disorganization taking into account the Divine Will which had organized the plan to kick start creation.

Disorganization is technically a distorted form of Truth which can be considered the Maya here..cos Maya does distort the Truth and hence the phenomenal world is considered Transient and technically Unreal(Untruth).

Therefore Hinduism advocates the journey from the Untruth to the Truth as in Asato Ma Sad Gamaya.


Now coming back to your questions about 'Is this truth organized" which I assumed its with reference to my fan club membership..when creation itself started with disorganization..do you think my fan club is actually organized?LOL
 
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Can Truth ever be organized?

In order for something to be organized it has to be disorganized to start with..so lets go into detail.

Truth in its highest form is the Truth the Whole Truth and Nothing but the Truth.

Now even when it comes to creation (according to Hinduism) as long the Gunas remained in a state of equilibrium creation did not take place..the scales of the Guna has to tip to God knows which direction to jump start creation..now something is said to be disorganized when its no more in a state of equilibrium...hence creation happened becos of Organized Disorganization.
I have used the word Organized Disorganization taking into account the Divine Will which had organized the plan to kick start creation.

Disorganization is technically a distorted form of Truth which can be considered the Maya here..cos Maya does distort the Truth and hence the phenomenal world is considered Transient and technically Unreal(Untruth).

Therefore Hinduism advocates the journey from the Untruth to the Truth as in Asato Ma Sad Gamaya.


Now coming back to your questions about 'Is this truth organized" which I assumed its with reference to my fan club membership..when creation itself started with disorganization..do you think my fan club is actually organized?LOL

As the Burger King commercial used to say "Have it your way" :-)

This idea of creation is but one under the umbrella of Hinduism.

The really real truth is that there is no creation :-) There is nothing to organize hence!

But a fan club within this non-creation can be organized :-)
 
Religious is different, Spirituality is different. You cannot be spiritual without being religious.
Religion is just to condition your mind in order to understand "the truth". It is the first step. Unfortunately, it takes many awakenings being religous, then pass through spirituality in births and in one life dream understand the "truth". Start being religous this birth, get the benefit in the future births. You are building a bridge through births to understand the "truth". Truth is "nothing" and organised is an earthly mere 'word'. "Nothing" cannot be organised but donot stop being religous as it is the first step. Our culture clearly understands this and tried to make us religious first. One birth you will question God with utter faith.
 
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