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We have been reading about confrontation between a Godman Sant RAmpaland police at hissar in Haryana

What is the real issue.?

It seems the Godman is from a Dalit community who is diploma in engg. who took to religion in 1995.

He has started several ashrams and is a kabir panthi with a lot of followers from lower castes.

the controversy surrounding him began as he became a critic of arya samaj and made derogatory comments on swami Dayanand Saraswathi.

Most Arya samajis are upper caste people who got infuriated.

There have been violent clashes in 2006 and 2010 betwen his followers and arya samajis when some were killed and cases registered against

him for murder
The Godman is on trial for murder charges in punjab and Haryana high court and he has refused several times to appear before court

Now a non bailable warrant has been issued for third time and there is a confrontation is in full swing with police and his supporters at his ashram.

His supporters are fully armed besides his lady devotees are being used as a shield by him against police action.

How it will end is not known.

He has to be produced before court before 21st nov 2014.
 
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Several policemen were injured in a clash with the supporters of the controversial guru on Tuesday.


The 63-year-old self-styled guru, known as Rampal, is on bail after being accused in a 2006 murder case.


But authorities ordered his arrest on contempt charges after he failed to appear in court several times.


The clashes occurred when the police went to arrest Rampal in his ashram. Police say armed supporters are holding people hostage and using women and children as human shields.


"The bid by the cops to nab him exposed several flaws in their strategy and operational preparedness… Despite keeping close watch on the premises and armed with the prior knowledge of weapons in the ashram, the police appeared completely unprepared and they were the worst hit during the action," The Times of India says.


Many journalists who were covering the clashes were also injured, reports said.
BBC News - Indian media: Police 'failure' to arrest Haryana guru
 
His supporters are fully armed besides his lady devotees are being used as a shield by him against police action.

How did the Police allow his supporters to get armed by this time . Definitely it must not have happened overnite and this process would have continued for many years . This is similar to how BhindrenWale was allowed to hbuild up his own armed group and take refuge in the Golden Temple until the army was called to take him alive or dead and a bloody encounter took place that left many dead in the end .
Dont understand this logic of how they allow a person to develop his own private army that is fully armed and then finally launch a crackdown on him and his armed followers that leave many dead in that Crackdown and all for capturing that one single man .
 
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The Haryana Police on Wednesday closed in on self-styled godman Rampal after it secured the exit of about 10,000 of his followers from the Satlok Ashram in Barwala, Hisar. The Director General of Police S.N. Vashisht said about 5,000 of his followers still remained in the ashram and the operation to bring the fugitive godman to book would continue till he is arrested and produced before the High Court, which had issued non bailable warrants against him. Meanwhile, five women and a child who were present at the ashram have died, the police have detained 270 people in connection with the violence and Rampal and his followers have been booked for sedition and on other charges.


Bindelwal was hoarding arms in Gurudwara. HaraKrishna group was hoarding arms in Temple in West Virginia. The Waco siege was a siege of a compound belonging to the religious group Branch Davidians by American federal and Texas state law enforcement and military between February 28 and April 19, 1993.

Getting arms and raising private army is nothing new. These Godmen are as good (or Bad) as politicians or local goondas.
 
Here's what Sri Sri Ravi Shankar had to say about self-styled godman Rampal

While incidences of violence and chaos continue in Hisar, where self-styled godman Rampal is believed to be hiding, reports of the Haryana police evacuating and rescuing 15,000 supporters from the Satlok ashram and arresting 425 people is a step towards diffusing the situation.


However, the self-styled godman doesn't seem to be gaining much sympathy from other self-help gurus. Art of Living founder Sri Sri Ravi Shankar who is currently in Erbil, Iraq, has publicly spoken out against baba Rampal, calling a need for a 'Sarva Dharma' council in order to prevent such happenings again.
The spiritual leader and proponent of meditation further asserted that incidences such as the one unfolding in Hisar could have a deep impact on peoples' belief system and elements like Rampal had to be dealt with severely.
 
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How did the Police allow his supporters to get armed by this time . Definitely it must not have happened overnite and this process would have continued for many years . This is similar to how BhindrenWale was allowed to hbuild up his own armed group and take refuge in the Golden Temple until the army was called to take him alive or dead and a bloody encounter took place that left many dead in the end .
Dont understand this logic of how they allow a person to develop his own private army that is fully armed and then finally launch a crackdown on him and his armed followers that leave many dead in that Crackdown and all for capturing that one single man .

The BJP government was dilly-dallying for some days because of its week-kneed attitude towards all hindu godmen, gurus, swamis, etc., but when media including TV channels showed the police attacks on media crew, the discussions last night in the channels, etc., probably P.M., Modi must have ordered the crackdown.
 
'Godman' Rampal arrested, 15,000 followers freed, 492 held for violence
Sukhbir Siwach & Manveer Saini,TNN
After two weeks of brazen defiance of the judiciary and the police, controversial preacher Rampal was arrested outside his Satlok Ashram - the scene of pitched battles between his followers and the police - on Wednesday around 9.30pm.


Rampal was led into an ambulance and whisked away to an undisclosed location. Five women and an 18-month-old infant were killed in the preceding day's violence, and more than 200 people injured including around 70 journalists and 105 policemen.
'Godman' Rampal arrested, 15,000 followers freed, 492 held for violence - The Times of India
 
How did the Police allow his supporters to get armed by this time . Definitely it must not have happened overnite and this process would have continued for many years . This is similar to how BhindrenWale was allowed to hbuild up his own armed group and take refuge in the Golden Temple until the army was called to take him alive or dead and a bloody encounter took place that left many dead in the end .
Dont understand this logic of how they allow a person to develop his own private army that is fully armed and then finally launch a crackdown on him and his armed followers that leave many dead in that Crackdown and all for capturing that one single man .
hi

this is called bharat.....yahaam sab kuch chalta hai bhaai....JIS KA LAATHI...USKA KA BHAINS...sunaa kabhi?....
 
How did the Police allow his supporters to get armed by this time . Definitely it must not have happened overnite and this process would have continued for many years . This is similar to how BhindrenWale was allowed to hbuild up his own armed group and take refuge in the Golden Temple until the army was called to take him alive or dead and a bloody encounter took place that left many dead in the end .
Dont understand this logic of how they allow a person to develop his own private army that is fully armed and then finally launch a crackdown on him and his armed followers that leave many dead in that Crackdown and all for capturing that one single man .


Sir,

You are right. Such things would not have happened over night.

This godman who was allegedly involved in a murder case in 2006, is reported to have evaded number of court notices summoning him to appear before the Court.

Going by the news reports he seems to have formed his own defence force with his men well trained and seems to have possess deadly weapons. (It is not known whether they are legal or illegal)

He was now arrested. Is this dilly-dallying???

It is strange that no Member talks anything about the Governments which were responsible for all these things and allowed the godman to enjoy all luxurious things in life.
 
There are other Godmen in punjab/haryana.

there is Dera Sucha Souda with baba Ram Rahim having a similar clout.

these are vote banks of politicians since they have large number of followers and these Godmen are actively supported by politicians.

this kind of fortified ashrams could not have come up without support of political class.

even there are movements like Nirankari which tried weaning away sikhs from akali party .soaminarayan movement of radhaswami cult or brahmakumari from

gujarat.these two do not have political links but are offshoots to facilitate a solution to some social ills.

brahmakumari movement in gujarat was started by the brahmin class as a parking place for their girls who could not get married and they preferred them to join this

religeous order in preferance to marrying into other castes.similarly swamiinarayan movement believed in simplification of rituals such as marriage and putting an end to

dowry and simplification of marriage with minimal expense.
 
These alleged godmen who are supposed to lead a very simple life and thus set an example to all his/her followers, grab money from the followers and become wealthy in no time, purchase immoveable properties, estates and in the proces of growth do involve in crimes, unlawful activities, etc

How long these money and muscle power and political influence will help them.

These politicians who now support these godmen having an eye on their strength of followers as ‘vote bank’, will go against them at a convenient opportunity. These godmen fail to understand the true colour of these politicians.

General public also needs some awareness and should not fall prey to these alleged godmen.

Here in Tamil Nadu,though police have arrested most who involved in crimes, etc we still have few I believe.

It is these followers who are to be blamed.
 
42 nonbailable warrants in the past few years were not executed by the hooda government. The first warrant aftr bjp came to power a month ago has been executed. This is fact. Rest is 'heshyam'.

The BJP government was dilly-dallying for some days because of its week-kneed attitude towards all hindu godmen, gurus, swamis, etc., but when media including TV channels showed the police attacks on media crew, the discussions last night in the channels, etc., probably P.M., Modi must have ordered the crackdown.
 
BJP in power also slept over it watching rampals devotees swell in numbers beyond 15000.

BJP is supporting Suchasauda Godman in sirsa .

they are giving Zplus security to yoga sadu ramdev wasting taxpayers money

all politicians are same .nothing to choose ,one is worse than the other.

Their record is not also clean either
 
There are other Godmen in punjab/haryana.

there is Dera Sucha Souda with baba Ram Rahim having a similar clout.

these are vote banks of politicians since they have large number of followers and these Godmen are actively supported by politicians.

this kind of fortified ashrams could not have come up without support of political class.

even there are movements like Nirankari which tried weaning away sikhs from akali party .soaminarayan movement of radhaswami cult or brahmakumari from

gujarat.these two do not have political links but are offshoots to facilitate a solution to some social ills.

brahmakumari movement in gujarat was started by the brahmin class as a parking place for their girls who could not get married and they preferred them to join this

religeous order in preferance to marrying into other castes.similarly swamiinarayan movement believed in simplification of rituals such as marriage and putting an end to

dowry and simplification of marriage with minimal expense.

All these so-called religious outfits (Godmen, godwomen, saints, swamis, Babas and so on) are a very crucial part of the present political system because they play an overriding role in money laundering and this helps politicians. Secondly, these godmen etc., are able to assure vote banks to political parties and crowds-on-order for meetings. Thus there is close nexus between these godmen and politicians of various hues. It is only that when the ruling dispensation changes, a new crop of such religious outfits will emerge. Let us now watch for the new crop!
 
All these so-called religious outfits (Godmen, godwomen, saints, swamis, Babas and so on) are a very crucial part of the present political system because they play an overriding role in money laundering and this helps politicians. Secondly, these godmen etc., are able to assure vote banks to political parties and crowds-on-order for meetings. Thus there is close nexus between these godmen and politicians of various hues. It is only that when the ruling dispensation changes, a new crop of such religious outfits will emerge. Let us now watch for the new crop!

True .Many of these new outfits of Godmen and Godwomen are excellent places for the Politcians and their business associates to park their black money and convert it in to white whenever needed . When either the Godmen try to outsmart their political bosses or when the heat is on the Politicans or when they feel that the Godmen have lost their utility value then they do not mind sacrificing these Godmen and God women . The Rape , Murder Charges on these Godmen are just tools to discredit them and strip them of their properties and their support base . In simple terms these new Godmen are like curry leaves , once the thy are fried well and their juice extractd they are thrown out . I am not sympathising with these Godmen but I feel they are small pawns in the larger game of Poltics , Black Money , Land Grabbing , Hawala etc etc . Note : When I refer to Godmen here I refer mostly to the new Gurus and Godmen that have sprung up in the last 1-2 decades . There are many spiritual organizations that are doing very excellent work spiritually and socially and have a clean ,tansparent track record and though they may have Politicians and Businessmen as followers they are cleraly free from their influences and we must not club them with these new Gurus and Godmen .
 
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I would like to share the news item published in 'Dinamalar' today which among other things speak about 'சட்டத்துக்கு சவால்விடும் 9 சாமியார்கள்:

அரியானா சாமியாருக்கு பாதுகாப்பாக மனித கேடயம்: குழந்தைகள், பெண்களை பிடித்து வைத்து அராஜகம்
ஹிசார்: அரியானாவில், போலீஸ் பிடியில் இருந்து தப்புவதற்காக சர்ச்சைக்குரிய சாமியார், தன் ஆசிரமத்தை சுற்றி, அப்பாவி பெண்கள் மற்றும் குழந்தைகளை மனித கேடயமாக நிற்க வைத்துள்ளதாக அதிர்ச்சி தகவல் வெளியாகிஉள்ளது.

அரியானா மாநிலம், ஹிசாரில் ஆசிரமம் அமைத்துள்ள சாமியார் ராம்பால், கொலை வழக்கில் தன்னை கைது செய்வதற்காக வந்த போலீசார் மீது, ஆதரவாளர்களை ஏவி விட்டு, தாக்குதல் நடத்தினார். போலீசார், பதில் தாக்குதல் நடத்தியதில் பத்திரிகையாளர்கள் உட்பட, 200 பேர் காயம் அடைந்தனர். சாமியாரையும், அவரின் ஆதரவாளர்களையும் பிடிப்பதற்காக போலீசார், நேற்றும் அதிரடி நடவடிக்கைகளில் ஈடுபட்டனர். அப்போது, ஆசிரமத்தில் இருந்து வெளியில் வந்து, ஏராளமானோர் கைகளை தூக்கியபடி சரண் அடைந்தனர்.

இவர்கள் கூறியதாவது:

சாமியாரும், அவரின் ஆதரவாளர்களும், ஏராளமான பெண்களையும், குழந்தைகளையும் மனித கேடயமாக பிடித்து வைத்துள்ளனர். இவர்கள், சாமியாரையும், ஆசிரமத்தையும் சுற்றி, பாதுகாப்புக்காக நிறுத்தி வைக்கப்பட்டுள்ளனர். ஆசிரமத்தை விட்டு, யாரையும் வெளியேற விடாமல், ஆயுத முனையில் எங்களை மிரட்டினர். அவர்களுடன் சண்டையிட்டு தான், தப்பி வந்துள்ளோம். ஆசிரமத்துக்குள், ஒரு வாரமாக, உணவு, சாப்பாடு, மின்சார வசதி இல்லாததால், குழந்தைகளின் நிலை மோசமாக உள்ளது. போலீசார் தலையிட்டு அதிரடி நடவடிக்கை எடுக்கவில்லை எனில், குழந்கைள், பெண்களின் நிலை ஆபத்தாகி விடும். இவ்வாறு, அவர்கள் கூறினர். இதுகுறித்து மத்திய சட்ட அமைச்சர் சதானந்தா கவுடா கூறுகையில், ''சட்டம் ஒழுங்கை கட்டுப்படுத்துவது மாநில அரசு பிரச்னை. மத்திய அரசு இதுகுறித்து கருத்து கூற முடியாது,'' என்றார்.

தேச துரோக வழக்கு:


சாமியார் ராம்பால் மீதும், அவரின் ஆதரவாளர்கள் மீதும், அரியானா போலீசார் தேச துரோக வழக்கு பதிவு செய்துள்ளனர். அரசுக்கு எதிராக திட்டமிட்டு வன்முறையை கட்டவிழ்த்து விடுவது, அரசுக்கு எதிராக சதி செய்வது, அரசுக்கு எதிராக வன்முறையை கட்டவிழ்த்து விட, ஆயுதங்களை சேகரித்தது, கொலை முயற்சி, தாக்குதல் உள்ளிட்ட பல்வேறு பிரிவுகளின் கீழ், சாமியார் மற்றும் அவரின் ஆதரவாளர்களுக்கு எதிராக வழக்கு பதிவு செய்யப்பட்டுள்ளது. தேச துரோக வழக்கில் குற்றச்சாட்டு நிரூபிக்கப்பட்டால், அதிகபட்சமாக ஆயுள் தண்டனை விதிக்கப்படும்.

ஆறு பேர் பலி...

* நேற்று முன்தினம் நடந்த மோதலில், நான்கு பெண்கள், ஒரு குழந்தை உட்பட ஆறு பேர் இறந்தனர். இவர்களின் உடல்களை போலீசார் நேற்று மீட்டனர்.


* நெரிசல் காரணமாக இவர்கள் இறந்தனரா அல்லது சாமியார் ஆதரவாளர்கள் தாக்கியதில் இறந்தனரா என்பது, பிரேத பரிசோதனையில் தான் தெரிய வரும்.


* சாமியாரின் நெருங்கிய உதவியாளர் புருஷோத்தம் தாஸ், ஆசிரமத்தில் இருந்து தப்பி ஓட முயற்சித்தபோது, போலீசாரால் கைது செய்யப்பட்டார்.


* ஆசிரமத்தில் சமீபத்தில் நடந்த ஒரு நிகழ்ச்சிக்காக, மத்திய பிரதேசம், சத்தீஸ்கர், ராஜஸ்தான் ஆகிய மாநிலங்களில் இருந்து, 14 ஆயிரம் பேர் வந்திருந்தனர்.


* இவர்களில் பலர், இரண்டு நாட்களுக்கு முன் ஆசிரமத்தை விட்டு வெளியேறி விட்டனர். இன்னும் 5,000 பேர் ஆசிரமத்துக்குள் உள்ளனர். இவர்களைத் தான் சாமியார் மனித கேடயமாக பிடித்து வைத்து உள்ளார்.


* ஆசிரமத்தை சுற்றி, போலீசார், மூன்றடுக்கு பாதுகாப்பு வளையம் அமைத்து உள்ளனர்.


* மாநில போலீசாரால் நிலைமையை கட்டுக்குள் கொண்டு வர முடியாததை அடுத்து, சம்பவ இடத்துக்கு, 600க்கும் அதிகமான துணை ராணுவப் படையினர், கமாண்டோ படையினர் விரைந்து உள்ளனர்.


* 'சாமியாரை கைது செய்ய முயற்சித்தால் வன்முறை ஏற்படும்' என, உளவுத் துறை ஏற்கனவே எச்சரித்திருந்தது.

சட்டத்துக்கு சவால் விடும் 9 சாமியார்கள்

அரியானாவின் ஹிசார் பகுதியில், ஆசிரமம் நடத்தி வரும் சாமியார் ராம்பாலை, கொலை வழக்கில் கைது செய்யும்படி கோர்ட் உத்தரவிட்டது. தன்னை கைது செய்ய ஆசிரமத்துக்கு வந்த போலீசாரை, தடுத்து, தன் ஆதரவாளர்கள் மூலம் பெரும் கலவரத்தை ஏற்படுத்தி, சட்டத்துக்கு சவால் விட்டுள்ளார், சாமியார் ராம்பால். அவரைப் போலவே, மேலும் ஒன்பது சாமியார்கள் இதுபோல், அடாவடியாக செயல்படுகின்றனர்.

ராகவேஸ்வர பாரதி ஸ்வாமி:

பெங்களூரு அருகேஉள்ள ராமச்சந்திரா மடத்தை சேர்ந்தவர். 47 வயது, பாடகியை, பாலியல் பலாத்காரம் செய்த வழக்கில், பெங்களூரு சி.ஐ.டி., போலீசாரால் விசாரிக்கப்பட்டு வருகிறார்.

அதுல் மகராஜ்:

மகாராஷ்டிரா மாநிலம், புனே அருகில் உள்ள லவசா பகுதியைச் சேர்ந்த, இந்த சாமியார் மீது, 17 வயது இளம் பெண்ணை, பாலியல் பலாத்காரம் செய்துள்ளதாக, போலீசில் வழக்கு பதிவு செய்யப்பட்டுள்ளது.

ஆசாராம் பாபு:

ராஜஸ்தான் மாநிலம் ஜோத்பூரில் உள்ள ஆசிரமத்தில், 16 வயது பெண்ணை சூறையாடியதாக, இவர் மீது வழக்கு பதிவு செய்யப்பட்டுள்ளது. இரண்டு சிறுவர்கள், கொல்லப் பட்ட வழக்கிலும், இவர் பெயர் இருக்கிறது.

சிவமூர்த்தி திவிவேதி:

உ.பி., மாநிலம் சித்ர கூடத்தை சேர்ந்த இவர், பாலியல் தொழில் நடத்தி, கடந்த, 10 ஆண்டு களில், 60 கோடி ரூபாய்க்கு சொத்து சேர்த்துள்ளதாக வழக்கு பதிவு செய்யப்பட்டு உள்ளது.

நித்தியானந்தா:

பிரபல நடிகை ஒருவருடன், படுக்கையறையில் உல்லாசமாக இருந்ததாக, இவர் மீது குற்றச்சாட்டு கூறப்பட்டது. இது தொடர்பான வீடியோ வெளியாகி பரபரப்பை ஏற்படுத்தியது.

குர்மீத் ராம் ரஹீம் சிங்:

பஞ்சாப் மாநிலம் தேரா சச்சா சவுதா என்ற பிரிவினரின் தலைவராக கருதப்படும் இவர் மீது, மனைவியை பாலியல் கொடுமைப்படுத்திய புகார் இருக்கிறது. 2008ல், மும்பையில், இவரின் பாதுகாவலர்கள் சுட்டதில் ஒருவர் உயிரிழந்தார்.

மகேந்திர கிரி:

மத்திய பிரதேச மாநிலத்தை சேர்ந்த மச்சேந்திர கிரி, தன் ஆசிரமத்தில், 24வயது பெண்ணை, அடைத்து வைத்து, பாலியல் பலாத்காரம் செய்தது தொடர்பான வழக்கில், கடந்தாண்டு கைது செய்யப்பட்டார்.

பாபா ராம்தேவ்:

பிரபல யோகா குருவான பாபா ராம்தேவ், டில்லி உண்ணாவிரதத்தின் போது, போலீசாரிடம் இருந்து தப்ப, சல்வார் கமீஸ் உடையை அணிந்தது பரபரப்பை ஏற்படுத்தியது. இவர் மீது, நில அபகரிப்பு வழக்கு இருக்கிறது.

ராமஸ்வாமி தேவிஸ்ரீ குருஜி:

பெங்களூரைச் சேர்ந்த இந்த சாமியார் மீது, செக்ஸ் மோசடி வழக்கு பதிவு செய்யப்பட்டது.இந்த வழக்கில் கடந்தாண்டு கைது செய்யப்பட்டு, தற்போது ஜாமினில் வெளியில் வந்துள்ளார்.


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Good Haryanvi dialog TBS garu.
hi

one more haryanvi jatt dialogue....A NEW MARRRIED JATT GIRL MOVE HER HUSBAND'S VILLAGE IN HARYANA....THE MAN TOLD

HIS NEWLY WIFE LIKE.....SUNO JAAATTNI.....AGAR IS GAON MEIN RAHANA TOH.....UUND KO BILLI LE GAYIII...HAAN JI ...

HAAN JI KAHNA HAI....these punjabi/haryanvi jaatt does not think much....much more PAHALWAN TYPE...
 
Confrontation At Hissar.

Following interesting piece of information is copied from the official website of "Jagat Guru Rampalji Maharaj "on Brahmins of Kalyug:

The Brahmins of Kalyug (current age) are Raakshas (Demons) - According to Devi Bhagwad -

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The Brahmins of Kalyug (current age) are Raakshas (Demons) - According to Devi Bhagwad
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Sant Rampal Ji Maharaj

Shrimad Devi Bhagwad Puran describes the characteristics of the Brahmins of Kalyug.

It says that those who were considered Raakshas (Demons) in earlier Yugas are considered Brahmins in the Kalyug because they are always eager to deceive everyone and perform and advocate false and pretentious worship (pakhand)to their followers which is not in accordance with the Vedas.

This is clearly evident in Shrimad Devi Bhagwad in Sixth Skand, Page 414 (Gitapress Gorakhpur). See picture on the right.- See more at: Frequently Asked Questions


Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.
 
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