Do we need to be complicated?

[renuka]

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I was just wondering today...isnt there a way to be less complicated when it comes to religion?

It just seems to be there are too many tiers in religion at times..ranging from believe in Pitr Dosh..Kula Devata worship..adherence to a great degree of superstition,adherence to time and date for any good occasions..why so much complication?

Doesn't all these make our religion so fragile that one's existence is spun around everything except God?

Its sort of Narcissistic to be so obsessed with adherence to so many external factors when all these actually take us away from focusing on God.

In the race to get more complicated...where are we heading?

Are we really facing the Qiblah(Direction) of our religion correctly?

 

[zebra16]

I was just wondering today...isnt there a way to be less complicated when it comes to religion?

I will try to answer to this part of your query.

I am sure you would have read viSnu sahasranAmam, especially the uttara-BhAgA where it is mentioned:

Sree rAma, rAma rAmeti, ramE rAme manOramE
sahasra-nAma tat-tulyam rAma nAma vaRANanE.

Inspite of this verse, we try to learn and recite viSnu sahasranAmam instead of mere repetition of rAma-nAmam. Religion (or spiruality) can be or is quite uncomplicated as anyone want it to be. But it is human tendency to make it complicated.

Now let me try to give an analogy.

Your son when he was just a toddler would draw your picture in slate or on paper and he would have drawn four sticks to represent your limbs and a circle to depict your face and two dots to represent your eyes in the circle etc. It would have been adorable for you to appreciate his drawing when he was a toddler.

But now that he is a grown up adolescent, though you may still appreciate his free hand drawing, his ego and station in life would prevent him from merely repeating his work of about 15 years or so. He would try to draw a better and nice sketch which resembles you much better than the four stick limbs he drew decade or so back.

People try to bring in the knowledge they have gained in all the spheres of their activities and religion is no exception.

 

[auh]

I was just wondering today...isnt there a way to be less complicated when it comes to religion?

It just seems to be there are too many tiers in religion at times..ranging from believe in Pitr Dosh..Kula Devata worship..adherence to a great degree of superstition,adherence to time and date for any good occasions..why so much complication?

Doesn't all these make our religion so fragile that one's existence is spun around everything except God?

Its sort of Narcissistic to be so obsessed with adherence to so many external factors when all these actually take us away from focusing on God.

In the race to get more complicated...where are we heading?

Are we really facing the Qiblah(Direction) of our religion correctly?

Existence itself is a pointless thing. So let anybody think whatever they want to... after all nothing matters.

 

[GNANA SUNYAM]

I was just wondering today...isnt there a way to be less complicated when it comes to religion?

It just seems to be there are too many tiers in religion at times..ranging from believe in Pitr Dosh..Kula Devata worship..adherence to a great degree of superstition,adherence to time and date for any good occasions..why so much complication?

Doesn't all these make our religion so fragile that one's existence is spun around everything except God?

Its sort of Narcissistic to be so obsessed with adherence to so many external factors when all these actually take us away from focusing on God.

In the race to get more complicated...where are we heading?

Are we really facing the Qiblah(Direction) of our religion correctly?

No worries ma'am. life is becoming too complicated that in due course, most probably in the next decade itself, people will have no time for religion, and religions will most probably cease to exist.

 

[sravna]

Dear Renuka,

Learning is a complicated process. The less you need to know about anything the less complicated it is.

 

[renuka]

No worries ma'am. life is becoming too complicated that in due course, most probably in the next decade itself, people will have no time for religion, and religions will most probably cease to exist.

Yup even Gyan would become Sunyam!LOL

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

Learning is a complicated process. The less you need to know about anything the less complicated it is.

???Is it you really saying this?

 

[renuka]

I will try to answer to this part of your query.

I am sure you would have read viSnu sahasranAmam, especially the uttara-BhAgA where it is mentioned:

Sree rAma, rAma rAmeti, ramE rAme manOramE
sahasra-nAma tat-tulyam rAma nAma vaRANanE.

Inspite of this verse, we try to learn and recite viSnu sahasranAmam instead of mere repetition of rAma-nAmam. Religion (or spiruality) can be or is quite uncomplicated as anyone want it to be. But it is human tendency to make it complicated.

Now let me try to give an analogy.

Your son when he was just a toddler would draw your picture in slate or on paper and he would have drawn four sticks to represent your limbs and a circle to depict your face and two dots to represent your eyes in the circle etc. It would have been adorable for you to appreciate his drawing when he was a toddler.

But now that he is a grown up adolescent, though you may still appreciate his free hand drawing, his ego and station in life would prevent him from merely repeating his work of about 15 years or so. He would try to draw a better and nice sketch which resembles you much better than the four stick limbs he drew decade or so back.

People try to bring in the knowledge they have gained in all the spheres of their activities and religion is no exception.

Thanks...appreciate this reply.

 

[sravna]

???Is it you really saying this?

why? am I not toeing my typical line?

 

[renuka]

Its not as if I am against religion..but its more of searching for less complication in the direction of religion.

There are religions which do not have Kula Devata concept and Pitr Karyam yet everything seems fine and possible for them too.

Its not that I am comparing religions and feel one is superior to the other....but it clearly shows that existence by just focusing on God and none other besides God is entirely possible.

This is the element which I feel is less stressed in our Religion.

I do admit however that just one direction sans anything else can lead to extremism if not understood well.

But I would simply love the uncomplicated concept of having nothing but God and only God without the need to be an extremist.

Is that even possible? To have only one thought without getting extreme?

I feel if one can focus on only One yet remain sans extremism...that would be sheer poetry!

But what to do?? Main Syair Toh Nahin.

 

[renuka]

why? am I not toeing my typical line?

Sravna...you are of the most complicated minds of forum..not saying its wrong but your mind never shuts down..AI..Spiritual power..temperature control etc.

 

[sravna]

Sravna...you are of the most complicated minds of forum..not saying its wrong but your mind never shuts down..AI..Spiritual power..temperature control etc.

Thanks Renuka, I take it as a compliment

 

[zebra16]

There are religions which do not have Kula Devata concept and Pitr Karyam yet everything seems fine and possible for them too.

I will try to answer the pitr kAryam part.

The other comparative contemporary religions (like Islam, Christianity etc. do not, in my opinion, bestow the status of "devA" to pitrs. In our part of the world, only Hinduism and its off shoots like Jainism, Buddhism and Sikhism (to a limited extent) subscribe to the theory of pitrs being devAs and also coming back to the earth for future innings depending upon their karma balance etc.

I think for comparison sake, one should compare Hindusim with Zoroastrianism, Incas, ancient Greeks and Mesopotamian culture as these subscribe to the relative antiquity. The other major religions are comparatively new and in about a millenium you will find that they too would be looking for a less complicated religious structure

 

[prasad1]

I agree with OP.
We can follow what we desire, in the privacy of our own mind.
But others may have their own choice, so there has to be compromise.
I am rational in my belief, but in social circle i go against my own opinion.
So I go and sit in a SatyaNarayan puja, so that I do not offend my friends.

 

[renuka]

I will try to answer the pitr kAryam part.

The other comparative contemporary religions (like Islam, Christianity etc. do not, in my opinion, bestow the status of "devA" to pitrs. In our part of the world, only Hinduism and its off shoots like Jainism, Buddhism and Sikhism (to a limited extent) subscribe to the theory of pitrs being devAs and also coming back to the earth for future innings depending upon their karma balance etc.

I think for comparison sake, one should compare Hindusim with Zoroastrianism, Incas, ancient Greeks and Mesopotamian culture as these subscribe to the relative antiquity. The other major religions are comparatively new and in about a millenium you will find that they too would be looking for a less complicated religious structure

But if we subscribe to Karma theory then why the need for Pitr Karyam?

Shouldn't Karma of self be in charge of fate of one's self?

After all some swear by Garuda Purana that souls would be tortured for crimes committed..so how does Pitr Karyam help here?

We ourselves would have been Pitrs in some time back when we were dead and lodged in Pitr Loka...are we Daivic?

No... we are very much human...if a Pitr was given Deva status..how come now we are humans? Fallen Malaikah(Angel)?


I feel if we compare Hindusim only with Zoroastrianism, Incas, ancient Greeks and Mesopotamian culture..we would not be exploring beyond what we are conditioned to believe.

 

[GNANA SUNYAM]

Yup even Gyan would become Sunyam!LOL

Yes madam. ignorance is bliss!