doubt on theettu??

[Dr.Dinesh]

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Hi everyone
y theettu is only few minutes for brahmachari(not married) when compared to grahasthan...????

Plz enlighten me guys...thank you.

 

[sangom]

Hi everyone
y theettu is only few minutes for brahmachari(not married) when compared to grahasthan...????

Plz enlighten me guys...thank you.

I have not heard of theettu for few minutes for brahmacharis. Actually brahmacharis do not have theettu in most cases except due to death of parents and brother, that is the belief package which we people believe in! However, brahmachari is required to be extremely cautious about theettu from a menstruating woman. The brahmachari has to take bath with clothes on, change to "maDi" clothes, chant 1008 gAyatree and then do gAyatree upasthAnam and can only then take even a cup of coffee.

I know one very religious tabra youth from an equally conservative tabra family who left his post-graduate study in the middle just because this "bhooth" of menstrual pollution from women in the class-room, college and even on the roads, buses, etc., took hold of his brain. He has now ended up as a 50+ man who is of no use!

 

[Dr.Dinesh]

hi Mr sangom

(The brahmachari has to take bath with clothes on, change to "maDi" clothes, chant 1008 gAyatree and then do gAyatree upasthAnam and can only then take even a cup of coffee.)...OMG:shocked: indha vishayatha paththi no one said me anything...how these can be done in modern days...what if there s no time in doing 1008 GM...what can we do at that time...:shocked:

 

[sangom]

hi Mr sangom

(The brahmachari has to take bath with clothes on, change to "maDi" clothes, chant 1008 gAyatree and then do gAyatree upasthAnam and can only then take even a cup of coffee.)...OMG:shocked: indha vishayatha paththi no one said me anything...how these can be done in modern days...what if there s no time in doing 1008 GM...what can we do at that time...:shocked:

Sir,

In all such matters our sAstras by themselves do not give any shortcuts or 'easy alternatives', may be because our sAstras were all written for brahmins who followed the brahmin way of life prescribed and did not take up "nishiddha" occupations which most of us do today, in order to fill our belly.

Some people who are mentally uneasy not doing the prAyascitta as per sAstras but who are at the same time not bold enough to decide that there is no 'theeTTu' from menstruation, twist the prescribed prAyascittam to suit their own conveniences and then feel mentally satisfied and without guilt.

During my primary school days I had to remove the school dress on returning home, kang them on a nail on the outside wall, take a body bath in our family pond, wash my head and face with wet cloth, then dry and only then could enter into the house. Such was the force of 'theeTTu' observance back in those days, among brahmins!

 

[CHANDRU1849]

I have not heard of theettu for few minutes for brahmacharis. Actually brahmacharis do not have theettu in most cases except due to death of parents and brother, that is the belief package which we people believe in! However, brahmachari is required to be extremely cautious about theettu from a menstruating woman. The brahmachari has to take bath with clothes on, change to "maDi" clothes, chant 1008 gAyatree and then do gAyatree upasthAnam and can only then take even a cup of coffee.

Does it apply to 21st century? How will a Brahamachari know a woman who is in periods? It seems our ancestors did really not think about future. They believed the condition of world will remain same as was during their period.

 

[sangom]

Does it apply to 21st century? How will a Brahamachari know a woman who is in periods? It seems our ancestors did really not think about future. They believed the condition of world will remain same as was during their period.

Whether these norms should be followed in the 21st. century is for each one of us to decide. But, after flouting, discarding etc., most of the norms laid down by our ancestors, whom we hold as wise and even boast about our brahminism from their time onwards, etc., what moral authority do we have to call ourselves as brahmins and carry a head weight about it (secretly, if not openly)?

I feel therefore that the boy whom I referred about is more truthful to brahminism whereas most of us are hypocrites masquerading as brahmins!

 

[yesmohan]

Sir,

In all such matters our sAstras by themselves do not give any shortcuts or 'easy alternatives', may be because our sAstras were all written for brahmins who followed the brahmin way of life prescribed and did not take up "nishiddha" occupations which most of us do today, in order to fill our belly.

Some people who are mentally uneasy not doing the prAyascitta as per sAstras but who are at the same time not bold enough to decide that there is no 'theeTTu' from menstruation, twist the prescribed prAyascittam to suit their own conveniences and then feel mentally satisfied and without guilt.

During my primary school days I had to remove the school dress on returning home, kang them on a nail on the outside wall, take a body bath in our family pond, wash my head and face with wet cloth, then dry and only then could enter into the house. Such was the force of 'theeTTu' observance back in those days, among brahmins!

It reminds me of incidents which happened during my childhood days. My mother with a stick in hand used to chase me

often to the nearest tank to ensure that I got a dip to get rid of " theettu "

 

[renuka]

It all seems like OCD to me.

Obsessive Compulsive Disorder.

Why be so obsessed with "theetu' when Hinduism preaches I am not the body..I am the Atma.

 

[Raji Ram]

It all seems like OCD to me.

Obsessive Compulsive Disorder.

Why be so obsessed with "theetu' when Hinduism preaches I am not the body..I am the Atma.

Dear Renu,

Brahmin's life is rather difficult to follow and hence many families have become 'modernized'!

Orthodox Ambis find it difficult to get a match!! :ballchain:

 

[Vaagmi]

Dear Renu,

Brahmin's life is rather difficult to follow and hence many families have become 'modernized'!

Orthodox Ambis find it difficult to get a match!! :ballchain:

There are good number of smart and capable girls who marry such ambis and manage them well. But for the women in the families we would all have been tribals or aborigins. LOL.

 

[Raji Ram]

There are good number of smart and capable girls who marry such ambis and manage them well. But for the women in the families we would all have been tribals or aborigins. LOL.

I mentioned about those orthodox Ambis who are unable to break the rules and accept those 'smart and capable' girls!

I have already written that one such Ambi, who earns quite a lot, had to wait for the mutt Guruji to point out the suitable girl;

she refused to take her passport, since Ambi goes abroad every month and she wants to stick to her orthodox way of life in India!!

 

[sangom]

It all seems like OCD to me.

Obsessive Compulsive Disorder.

Why be so obsessed with "theetu' when Hinduism preaches I am not the body..I am the Atma.

Even the original Shankaracharya who propounded that theory (please also note that it is not the main preaching of hinduism) had to be subtly reminded about it by a Chandala who knew the subject well, what do you think will ordinary housewives with a modicum of education will believe in? I am sure that except for the rhetoric in your post, you yourself can't live always on the feeling that "I am Atma, not this body"; if you really have that conviction even sai bhakti or idolatry itself is ocd and nothing else!

 

[CHANDRU1849]

Whether these norms should be followed in the 21st. century is for each one of us to decide. But, after flouting, discarding etc., most of the norms laid down by our ancestors, whom we hold as wise and even boast about our brahminism from their time onwards, etc., what moral authority do we have to call ourselves as brahmins and carry a head weight about it (secretly, if not openly)?

I feel therefore that the boy whom I referred about is more truthful to brahminism whereas most of us are hypocrites masquerading as brahmins!

Sometime back, a famous Tamil speaker said there are seven categories of Bs - Teahcer, Sculptor, Carpenter, Goldsmith, Cobbler etc. coming under Varnasarama Dharma.

Present day 'Bs' are coming under a caste and not under Varnasarama Dharma, and hence there is no question of hypocrisy.

 

[renuka]

Even the original Shankaracharya who propounded that theory (please also note that it is not the main preaching of hinduism) had to be subtly reminded about it by a Chandala who knew the subject well, what do you think will ordinary housewives with a modicum of education will believe in? I am sure that except for the rhetoric in your post, you yourself can't live always on the feeling that "I am Atma, not this body"; if you really have that conviction even sai bhakti is ocd and nothing else!

Dear Sangom ji,

I feel life is various degrees of OCD..its just that some are more severe than the other.

But over all I still find the over emphasis on Theetu rather unusual becos it seems to me that the mind will be obsessed with the fear of impurity then actually focusing on God.

In other words one subconsciously meditates on Impurity...now how will this help to "purify" the mind?

 

[Vaagmi]

.....................in other words one subconsciously meditates on impurity...now how will this help to "purify" the mind?

lol.

 

[sangom]

Dear Sangom ji,

I feel life is various degrees of OCD..its just that some are more severe than the other.

But over all I still find the over emphasis on Theetu rather unusual becos it seems to me that the mind will be obsessed with the fear impurity then actually focusing on God.

In other words one subconsciously meditates on Impurity...now how will this help to "purify" the mind?

Dear Smt. Renuka,

It is correct in theory, what you say. But one cannot live except in reality, as earth earthy! The brahministic hinduism put emphasis on purity of body as a pre-requisite for the purity of soul. {Of course, this was probably based on the notion (which I hold is erroneous) of individual, quantified soul or Atma for each individual body; it was due to an incapacity for thinking 'out-of-the-box', or, the difficulty in linking the karma theory with anything but an individual soul.} They felt that many unusual occurrences such as death, menstruation, lack of physical cleanliness on different reasons, caused bodily pollution. They required the person so afflicted, to take certain steps to get rid of that pollution. This is not to make people become OCD-affected.

In any case, how does one meditate with soul or Atma only, unless there is a body and mind with which to do that.

 

[Dr.Dinesh]

Hi everyone
thank you for all ur comments...theetu being a negative energy affect the 5/7 koshas and 3 types of bodies easily..so taking bath,chanting mantras,all these creates positive energy to neutralize or erase the negative energy...this can prevent from bodily pollution and subconscious impurity..this can also be the reason for those strict rules on theetu...!!!!JUST MY GUESS...correct me if i am wrong..

 

[yesmohan]

From what all I heard from my parents, I presume but could not confirm that " Theettu " is nothing but environment / conditions of the body that are conducive for infection /spreading infection. In those days when there was no medicines / antibiotics, taking bath in running water would be found as the only solution / remedy.

 

[Iyyarooraan]

Somehow I feel "theettu" should point to a disturbed mind. And the remedy can help restore the mind to a reasonable a sound state.

 

[renuka]

In any case, how does one meditate with soul or Atma only, unless there is a body and mind with which to do that.

Dear Sangom ji,

Do we really have to meditate?

Or is a human really capable of meditating?

Sometimes I feel meditation is a mild form of "healthy hallucination" which gives the mind a break from the ups and downs of life.

I have tested some amount of letting the mind free..for example there is a type of music called Binaural beats and even Om has been made into Binaural beats and this helps the mind relax and drift.

One has to use ear phones for this and just lie down and relax.

After sometime of hearing it over a few days it can actually induce hallucination and also some amount of auto hypnotism.

I have tested it and was surprised to "see" that childhood memories even up to the age of 3 revealed in my mind.

Some scenes that I saw I later confirmed it with my mother if indeed it happened cos I did not really consciously remember i and my mum said yes it had occurred.

Just music in a specific hypnotic beat was able to make the mind drift back till the age of 3 and see stuff I did not even remember having happened.

Then when memory was going back further I felt that my mind was starting to hallucinate.

It seems as if the mind blocks going further than early childhood and one starts to see all sorts of visions which is indeed beautiful.

I do not hear Binaural beats now cos I dont want to induce hallucinations..In fact I did not know this could happen cos all I knew that it helps the mind relax.

So for me I feel "meditation" too could just be mind games.

Yes you are right..we still the need the mind for even mind games for us to "imagine" we meditated.

 

[Dr.Dinesh]

Hi Smt Renuka ji
I too hear many binaural beats...it does produce good results in a week ji...i recommend u to read robert oschmann theory for this...coz it stimulates microtubules in the brain to produce hallucination or stimulation or hypnotism...its simple thing mam our body is made of 80% water and when vibration affects these microtubes starts to resonate which causes these thing in our mind...

 

[renuka]

Hi Smt Renuka ji
I too hear many binaural beats...it does produce good results in a week ji...i recommend u to read robert oschmann theory for this...coz it stimulates microtubules in the brain to produce hallucination or stimulation or hypnotism...its simple thing mam our body is made of 80% water and when vibration affects these microtubes starts to resonate which causes these thing in our mind...

Dear Dinesh,

I do not listen to Binaural beats anymore..it was just for some 1 week or 2 I was listening to it but now my body totally rejects it.

Its too hypnotic and a hallucinogen...I feel eventually it could affect our mind..so better to stay away from a hallucinogen.

 

[sangom]

Sometime back, a famous Tamil speaker said there are seven categories of Bs - Teahcer, Sculptor, Carpenter, Goldsmith, Cobbler etc. coming under Varnasarama Dharma.

Present day 'Bs' are coming under a caste and not under Varnasarama Dharma, and hence there is no question of hypocrisy.

The two pronouncements, viz., 1) there are seven categories of Brahmins, and 2) that present day Brahmins are coming under a caste and not Varnasrama Dharma (?), are both not suppported by our SAstras. Varnasrama Dharma is a separate topic by itself I feel. To put it succinctly, Varnasrama Dharma disallows Asramas to Sudras.

 

[sangom]

From what all I heard from my parents, I presume but could not confirm that " Theettu " is nothing but environment / conditions of the body that are conducive for infection /spreading infection. In those days when there was no medicines / antibiotics, taking bath in running water would be found as the only solution / remedy.

I think that the concept of theeTTu was both hygeinic, as you say, as well as based on the 'pollution' of the kosas and subtle bodies, concepts in which our forefathers believed.

 

[sangom]

Dear Dinesh,

I do not listen to Binaural beats anymore..it was just for some 1 week or 2 I was listening to it but now my body totally rejects it.

Its too hypnotic and a hallucinogen...I feel eventually it could affect our mind..so better to stay away from a hallucinogen.

I hold that this human life (and body) have come to each one of us because each one has to experience the "re-actions" of so many actions accumulated in the karma store. The body, mind and intellect is a package making up a gadget called individual human being. Both mind and intellect will completely disappear on the death of the physical body.

Bit intellect, mind and body in that order (I-M-B chain) carry impulses or orders or stimulii initiated by the Universal Force (UF) which, in the first place, created life; besides the B-M-I chain also reacts to the sensual inputs from the outside material world. Some people have therefore tried to violate this laid down normal order of things and tried to connect 'themselves' to the UF and, in the process, got very confusing and misleading indications. Intelligent people ought to obey the universal law and let the B-M-I and I-M-B chains do what nature has ordained them to do and should not cause environmental hazards.