Equality and Justice

[JR]

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Is it correct to extend 'justice' in all situations?

Or is it 'equality' in some, and 'justice' in some...?

 

[JR]

Can we say 'socialism' is equality

and 'democracy' is justice?

 

[renuka]

In the 1st pic..where all 3 kids are standing on the same height box..that is not equality..cos all of them are not of the same age and height.

So there seems a bit of lack of common sense in the first pic to subject children of various ages and heights to stand on the same height box and some might not be able to see the game.

In the 2nd pic..common sense prevails..that is not justice but just logic and common sense.

 

[JR]

Dear Renuka,

I thought equality meant giving the same proportion of anything (like the ration stores in India) to all participants irrespective of differences in their ability.

But justice meant considering the inability status and giving something in proportion to that.

So justice always seems better than equality, but I am scratching my head to find out circumstances when equality might be better?

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

I thought equality meant giving the same proportion of anything (like the ration stores in India) to all participants irrespective of differences in their ability.

But justice meant considering the inability status and giving something in proportion to that.

So justice always seems better than equality, but I am scratching my head to find out circumstances when equality might be better?

dear JR,

When I was young ...I remember I used to do this many times.... when my mum would give me and my elder bro and younger bro some desert like Jelly or Custard both of my brothers would become greedy and try to get more to eat.

I used to feel pity that they wanted more..so I would take the kitchen scales and weigh equal amounts of desert taken from my plate to make sure I gave my brothers an equal share....even though both were not the same age.

So I guess that time I was practicing justice but not equality cos I gave both the same amount and I had the least amount.

My mum used to scold me for giving away my share and scold my bros for taking my share.

My younger bro said that he did not mind taking from me cos he is the youngest and entitled to some special treatment.

My elder bro would say that if someone is stupid enough to give him their share he wont mind taking it!LOL

 

[prasad1]

There is no equality or justice in the true sense.
A tiger has to kill a dear to survive. Where justice or equality in that?
So even in nature there is no "justice" or "equality".
Humans try "socialism", "communism", "capitalism", and all other -ism to control the society.
In the olden days of hunter-gatherer, you needed a strong group to hunt bigger games, and to defend your group. So they set up all these -isms.
Communism has failed, socialist are dying breed.

In true capitalism, there is no mechanism to redistribute the wealth, except trough taxation. Government Taxes and doles out the combined wealth via subsidies, services, defense etc. It is a feeble attempt at best.

For true Justice, it must be totally transparent. Even our Karma theory is not Transparent.

From the days of “Jiski Lathi uski Bhains” (amounting to “He rules who carries a Baton/Stick”) the human societies grew into larger, somewhat better organized and more accountable administrative entities like Tribal bodies, Jamindaris, Kingdoms and Countries with the passage of time. Yet, all along the history of mankind, will of certain individuals has ruled over all their subjects till the concept of Democracy dawned-in and participation of masses in deciding their own future became fairly more transparent and visible. Although, it is true only for more enlightened, affluent and informed societies, while most democracies in third world are still governed like traditional Kings and Monarchs.

 

[JR]

dear JR,

When I was young ...I remember I used to do this many times.... when my mum would give me and my elder bro and younger bro some desert like Jelly or Custard both of my brothers would become greedy and try to get more to eat.

I used to feel pity that they wanted more..so I would take the kitchen scales and weigh equal amounts of desert taken from my plate to make sure I gave my brothers an equal share....even though both were not the same age.

So I guess that time I was practicing justice but not equality cos I gave both the same amount and I had the least amount.

My mum used to scold me for giving away my share and scold my bros for taking my share.

My younger bro said that he did not mind taking from me cos he is the youngest and entitled to some special treatment.

My elder bro would say that if someone is stupid enough to give him their share he wont mind taking it!LOL

Dear Renuka,

:thumb: Its nice of you to give out your share, even at a young age!

 

[krish44]

There is no equality or justice in the true sense.
A tiger has to kill a dear to survive. Where justice or equality in that?
So even in nature there is no "justice" or "equality".
Humans try "socialism", "communism", "capitalism", and all other -ism to control the society.
In the olden days of hunter-gatherer, you needed a strong group to hunt bigger games, and to defend your group. So they set up all these -isms.
Communism has failed, socialist are dying breed.

In true capitalism, there is no mechanism to redistribute the wealth, except trough taxation. Government Taxes and doles out the combined wealth via subsidies, services, defense etc. It is a feeble attempt at best.

For true Justice, it must be totally transparent. Even our Karma theory is not Transparent.

From the days of “Jiski Lathi uski Bhains” (amounting to “He rules who carries a Baton/Stick”) the human societies grew into larger, somewhat better organized and more accountable administrative entities like Tribal bodies, Jamindaris, Kingdoms and Countries with the passage of time. Yet, all along the history of mankind, will of certain individuals has ruled over all their subjects till the concept of Democracy dawned-in and participation of masses in deciding their own future became fairly more transparent and visible. Although, it is true only for more enlightened, affluent and informed societies, while most democracies in third world are still governed like traditional Kings and Monarchs.

Excellent post.keep it up

 

[krish44]

The concept that affluent societies are all enlightened and informed also if they are democratic is misplaced.

some of them have a false sense of superiority about themselves and subject their own citizen to discrimination based on colour etc,

they also have miscarriage of justice .

they are also discriminatory in treatment of their poor brethren