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Family - Visiting Older Relatives

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Generally all over the world the practice is that younger people visit the Elderly relatives once in a while. I remember doing it when I was younger. Elders visiting us was not very common. My parents rarely visited us. We went home often to see them.

The trend seems to have changed. I generally find that the younger people do not visit the elderly relatives. In fact they seem to be expecting the elders to visit them.

I do not find my nieces and nephews visiting the elders when they are In India. Lack of time is given as the reason. But you can always catch a flight to another city, visit the elders and be back even the same day. The cost of the flight is less that the cost of a dinner in a good restaurant in U.S.

Why? May be the younger generation does not value family relation all that much. They are prepared to visit India from U.S to attend the marriage of some friend.
Is it because of the eagerness of the older generation to visit relatives abroad?

Of course this is a generalization which may not be true in all cases.
 
personally i have no problem with this. i think most people in usa or canada, do not expect visits or even calls from their nephews nieces. it is the way it is and no one gripes. most of the time, we focus on our own nuclear family, and dote over our children. even here, if they dont call us, we call them, for we want to keep in touch and influence them.

again, the reason, when i was young, to keep in touch with relatives or certain rich friends, was economical primarily. you needed favours, and in an era when one was offended easily for failing to follow protocol, it became a normal practice to visit all uncles and aunts.

also there was not much more to do. no TV.

nowadays, i have relatives, my children's uncles and aunts. one of them commented that he expects his nephews nieces to write to him once in 6 months to update him with their lives. i think, he took on the role of the head of the family of his branch, and expected this as a sign of respect and obeisance.

too bad when none of my children obliged him. next time, when i met him, i told him, that if he cared about what my children are doing, what is to stop him from penning an email. emails are easy. he took offence. that is that.

sankara, i think, it is a changing view of relationships. do not take to heart if your nephews nieces do not visit you. take it upon yourself to phone them. you would be surprised how much the respect for you increases in their eyes. they would look upon you with more regard and affection. who knows, they might even take that proverbial flight and drop in on you :)
 
I being the youngest was expected to call on others elder to me. I still hanker for that call, But I have come to accept Mr. Kunjuppu's POV.
i think, it is a changing view of relationships. do not take to heart if your nephews nieces do not visit you. take it upon yourself to phone them. you would be surprised how much the respect for you increases in their eyes. they would look upon you with more regard and affection. who knows, they might even take that proverbial flight and drop in on you
 
Kunjuppu,

You have got me wrong. I have excellent relations with my nephews and nieces. One of the reasons is that they could alwys turn to me when they had a problem with their parents. I could understand them better than their parents. Then I took cudgels on their behalf with their parents. I used to buy them clothes/things which their parents would not buy.

Again when they became older I have been a boozing companion with some of them.

We keep in touch through Facebook.

They are the conduicts for my purchases on Amazon. I send my purchases to them and they send it to me in India through some one. I also send them ebooks and gifts through Amazon.

But so far none of them have visited me. They are young. So I told them the facts of life last time I met some of them. Told them that my visiting days are over and if they want they should come and visit me.

I hava always told my children to visit the elders. They are often reluctant. But I push them.

The parents have a role to play in this.
 
dear sankara,

my response was a reply to what i understood to be the level of info you gave me. if you think i was wrong, so be it. i make mistakes. ok?

now that i have more info that you have shared, i see a dichotomy here.

one one hand, you stated, that you are more than an uncle to your nephews nieces (2Ns). you have been their confidant, buddy, companion, advisor, mentor and a substitute ideal parent, with ideal behavioural and communications skills. you have been able to relate to them. you have also been a benefactor, bestowing gifts to them - you in india while they are in the usa.

based on this, you only feel right, that on their visits to india, they could drop by and spend a day with you.

the 2nd part of the dichotomy, is - that being an elderly relative - you expect - based on the relational hierarchy - for a visit from them. my answer dealt with the second part - ie older relations expecting respect and homage from the youngsters, based on age, relationship and traditions.

i have always disagreed with such expectations. respect, whether it be young or old, has to be earned.

i can understand, many 2Ns avoiding uncles mainly because, the uncles mistake these types of visits for homage, ask throbbing and intrusive questions, many of which, even parents dont ask. apparently they think, that age is a licence to probe other's lives, forgetting that these 2Ns are grown ups and have an adult mind of their own.

any visit, should come of their own voliation. ie love, affection, eagerness, fondness, respect and cheer, all rolled into one. i have one aunt, with whom i have such a relationship and i would make special visits to india just to spend a couple of days with her. on the other hand, i have an uncle, who though late 80, is a pain in the butt, and whom i have deliberately stopped communication, because, in this day and age, i feel, no one has to put up with obtusive behaviour, whether it be from young or old.

maybe while your 2Ns enjoyed your money and companionship, maybe of late, they find your company or your advice unwanted. if they had truly wanted, and if they felt that time spent with you would have been enjoyable, i am sure they would have visited you. i think this is more a time for introspection on your part - how you project yourself to your 2Ns. it may be an interesting journey, worth in itself and provide its own rewards, re self discovery :)

question yourself: how do others see you...amazing how many negative aspects of yourself jut out prominently :)

to get the parents involved - the 2Ns are grown ups. adults. it is time parents respected some of the decisions. when it comes to their own interests, parents can be voluble. but when it comes to recommending visits to relatives, it is best they keep quiet. it is going to fall on deaf ears anyway.

back to the first issue - a reward to you, for all the good deeds done. sorry sankara, memory is short. maybe in your 2Ns' eyes what you did, may not have mattered much. atleast it was not enough for them to visit you. maybe you got a phone call? if not even that, best is to keep quiet.

if there was ever any affection, someday they might call you. otherwise there never was.

such is life.

sorry you feel this way, but protect yourself and move on.

the parents have nothing to do with it. atleast i think so. they should have released the kids from the umblical chord long long ago.

last but not least: do we really want 'forced' visits from our 2Ns - ie visits forced on them to visit their uncles and aunts? what type of relationship is that? where there is love and affection, i think, if possible, they will come automatically. if they don't we have to accept the fact, that the 2Ns either do not have that level of regard for us, or they are too busy with other more important stuff to do in their limited time here. if we cannot accept that, then we are condemned to a feeling of anger or neglect or both.
 
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............ The parents have a role to play in this.
Dear Sir,

Do you think that children after their teens obey their parents? The develop their own likes and dislikes by then!
No one can force them to do anything. Parents can advise but their decision is final!! :decision:
 
.. The parents have a role to play in this.





hi

when ever we visit our relatives/ even some friends...basically all are JUDGEMENTAL AND CALCULATIVE NOW A DAYS....its hard truth...

when we fly all the way from USA to india....we want vacation/some family connections...but we land everywhere....the first

question..enge irukke?,,,,evvalavu sampathikare/.....enna kondu vanthirukke/....my kids really hated these questions.....

children expects affection and relationship....but we can undesrtand these questions. as elders...my daughter is doing USMD

programme in USA...even my own mother in law asks a lot of irrelavant questiions....my kids hate these kind of attitude....

even parents push them...the reactions are more.....so SILENCE IS THE BEST POLICY....
 
dear sankara,

my response was a reply to what i understood to be the level of info you gave me. if you think i was wrong, so be it. i make mistakes. ok?

now that i have more info that you have shared, i see a dichotomy here.

one one hand, you stated, that you are more than an uncle to your nephews nieces (2Ns). you have been their confidant, buddy, companion, advisor, mentor and a substitute ideal parent, with ideal behavioural and communications skills. you have been able to relate to them. you have also been a benefactor, bestowing gifts to them - you in india while they are in the usa.

based on this, you only feel right, that on their visits to india, they could drop by and spend a day with you.

the 2nd part of the dichotomy, is - that being an elderly relative - you expect - based on the relational hierarchy - for a visit from them. my answer dealt with the second part - ie older relations expecting respect and homage from the youngsters, based on age, relationship and traditions.

i have always disagreed with such expectations. respect, whether it be young or old, has to be earned.

i can understand, many 2Ns avoiding uncles mainly because, the uncles mistake these types of visits for homage, ask throbbing and intrusive questions, many of which, even parents dont ask. apparently they think, that age is a licence to probe other's lives, forgetting that these 2Ns are grown ups and have an adult mind of their own.

any visit, should come of their own voliation. ie love, affection, eagerness, fondness, respect and cheer, all rolled into one. i have one aunt, with whom i have such a relationship and i would make special visits to india just to spend a couple of days with her. on the other hand, i have an uncle, who though late 80, is a pain in the butt, and whom i have deliberately stopped communication, because, in this day and age, i feel, no one has to put up with obtusive behaviour, whether it be from young or old.

maybe while your 2Ns enjoyed your money and companionship, maybe of late, they find your company or your advice unwanted. if they had truly wanted, and if they felt that time spent with you would have been enjoyable, i am sure they would have visited you. i think this is more a time for introspection on your part - how you project yourself to your 2Ns. it may be an interesting journey, worth in itself and provide its own rewards, re self discovery :)

question yourself: how do others see you...amazing how many negative aspects of yourself jut out prominently :)

to get the parents involved - the 2Ns are grown ups. adults. it is time parents respected some of the decisions. when it comes to their own interests, parents can be voluble. but when it comes to recommending visits to relatives, it is best they keep quiet. it is going to fall on deaf ears anyway.

back to the first issue - a reward to you, for all the good deeds done. sorry sankara, memory is short. maybe in your 2Ns' eyes what you did, may not have mattered much. atleast it was not enough for them to visit you. maybe you got a phone call? if not even that, best is to keep quiet.

if there was ever any affection, someday they might call you. otherwise there never was.

such is life.

sorry you feel this way, but protect yourself and move on.

the parents have nothing to do with it. atleast i think so. they should have released the kids from the umblical chord long long ago.

last but not least: do we really want 'forced' visits from our 2Ns - ie visits forced on them to visit their uncles and aunts? what type of relationship is that? where there is love and affection, i think, if possible, they will come automatically. if they don't we have to accept the fact, that the 2Ns either do not have that level of regard for us, or they are too busy with other more important stuff to do in their limited time here. if we cannot accept that, then we are condemned to a feeling of anger or neglect or both.

Kunjuppu,

I started this discussion because this is something which I have noticed in our community.

My case is different. My nephews and nieces want me to visit them in U.S and U.K. This applies to the nephews and nieces in India also.

Just a couple of dys back I got a call from my niece who is on a visit to India from U.K. She was asking me "Mama, when are you visiting Europe?" I had to disappoint her. My nephew in U.S had been hinting for long about how great it would be if we could visit him and all about meeting my friends in U.S. Next month he will be in India. He may come home and and make the sales pitch again. His wife is a "Bhndhu Priya".

I had a reputation as a Globe trotter when their parents were stay at homes. So they are not able to understand why I am staying put when I have the time and money.

I do not think children will obey the parents and rush to meet the elders. But we would be failing in our duty if we do not remind them about it. I believe in getting the Blessings of the Elderly. That is what I emphasize to my children.
 
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