Government Is Planning To Move Indian Standard Time Ahead By 30 Mins.

[P.J.]

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Government Is Planning To Move Indian Standard Time Ahead By 30 Mins.


September 9, 2015


In order to ensure that shift in Indian Standard Time leads to greater energy savings, power ministry has written to HRD ministry seeking its opinion on the adjustments schools and educational institutions will have to make. According to a power ministry note sent to HRD, the other big stakeholder to adjust to the new shift will be transport providers who will have to re-publish their time tables which will take one to two years of planning for a smooth transition.

The issue was discussed in the meeting of committee of secretaries in April, and it was decided to hold further consultations with various ministries and state governments, especially department of science on the issue for clarity regarding assumptions and the model used to arrive at the new timings. However, there is a growing consensus that advancing Indian Standard Time (IST) by half-hour (Year-round Daylight Time) will yield more benefits for the country rather than dividing the country into two time zones, or dividing the year into two times, or staying with the status quo.

NIAS had suggested advancing IST by half an hour to bring it six hours ahead of GMT (Greenwich Mean Time) i.e. GMT +6.0 instead of present status of GMT +5.30. The consequence is that the day will increase by half an hour, and hence we'll have an extra half an hour of the daylight in the evening. This will result in energy saving for the entire country.

But wait, what happens at the Borders? So now India will be one hour ahead of Pakistan and not 30 mins. We could also be at the same time as Bangladesh and Bhutan

# but if the other countries don't reset their clocks too, there would be chaos at the border between the two zones.# railway signals are not fully automated and several routes have single tracks. Trains may meet with major accidents owing to human errors.

Earlier the government wanted to put us on Daylight Saving Time.

That would have been even more confusing.

# the inconvenience of time adjustment during summer and winter months would involve the whole country, happening twice a year, with marginal benefits. # the possibilities of rail accidents would still be high.

How the shift in IST will affect us

# you'll have to come to office half hour ahead of time, you might also leave half hour early (depends on your boss).# transport providers will have to re-issue new time tables.# schools/institutions/organisations will have to make adjustments to the new time.

How could resetting the clock benefit you?

# energy is saved by longer use of sunlight and consequently less use of energy for lighting during evening hours.

The half-hour shift will lead to an energy saving of 2.3 billion units of energy per year for the country.# besides saving energy, a longer sunlit evening would reduce street crimes.

Traffic accidents may also be reduced.# help mainstream the north-east, since it is already in a different time zone geographically.# increase professional productivity.Based on the study, this is how the other two options aren't beneficial enough and advancing IST by half an hour is the best option.

(With inputs from Akshaya Mukul)


http://www.indiatimes.com/news/indi...s-heres-how-itll-change-your-life-245035.html

 

[GNANA SUNYAM]

The Government of India is attempting to chisel the head to suit the size of the hat.

 

[auh]

Wouldn't it be simpler to just reschedule the office/school (and other related) timings? Like, pull the office/school opening hours to 1/2 or 1 hour earlier and thus finish earlier. Am I missing something here?

 

[krish44]

Energy savings could be enormous.

Most european countries do it for few months in a year moving at least by half an hour for summer and winter

 

[CLN]

No doubt energy saving for the country by advancing the IST by half an hour (at par with Bangladesh) has its benefits. But in a nation with a large number of really 'uneducated' people (not to confuse with statistical figures of literacy being put forth periodically), the task would be enormous and the stakes too high. The crux of the problem is that a great majority of Indians, across all sections of the society, are NOT concerned with punctuality as a persnal habit. Civic sense, respect for rules and regulations, self-discipline and restraint in normal day-to-day activities due to a confused and false notion of enjoying 'freedom' and other such maladies which plague this country can prove the task of adapting to IST change a colossal issue for our country.

 

[vgane]

The problem is in winter in the North when sun rises at 7 AM ...

Best is to have day light savings only in summer April to Sep

 

[tks]

Wouldn't it be simpler to just reschedule the office/school (and other related) timings? Like, pull the office/school opening hours to 1/2 or 1 hour earlier and thus finish earlier. Am I missing something here?

yes, it is not possible to mandate early or late opening and enforce it consistently. There are many interdependent businesses. It will be chaos, lot simper to change the time for all.

It is done routinely in USA - we have 3 time zones , there are some odd cases in some states. There are no issues, only thing is that many of the software etc have to be properly reprogrammed.

 

[auh]

yes, it is not possible to mandate early or late opening and enforce it consistently. There are many interdependent businesses. It will be chaos, lot simper to change the time for all.

It is done routinely in USA - we have 3 time zones , there are some odd cases in some states. There are no issues, only thing is that many of the software etc have to be properly reprogrammed.

But they are one and the same! I think, to change the time and to change the related activities and to tweak software etc. also carry a cost burden.

It would be a lot simpler to just start activities a bit earlier in the summer months.

There are many interdependent businesses. It will be chaos, lot simper to change the time for all.

If I may ask - would you give me an example of the above, where changing the time would be significantly beneficial over just preponing the activity? Thanks,

 

[tks]

But they are one and the same! I think, to change the time and to change the related activities and to tweak software etc. also carry a cost burden.

It would be a lot simpler to just start activities a bit earlier in the summer months.

If I may ask - would you give me an example of the above, where changing the time would be significantly beneficial over just preponing the activity? Thanks,

The change required for businesses and organizational units cannot be escaped no matter what. However there is no cost for enforcement or cost due to lack of standard way of operating.

A business may be opening at 9 am and closing at 6 pm, another may open at 8 am and close at 5 pm.

If all these people are asked to change, they may or may not do it. Which means if some change and others don't there will be consequences.

If a couple have working arrangement made for school/ baby sitting/ after school activities for their children
If business of each of the couple and the schools do not all exactly obey the new directives there will be chaos.

We live in an interdependent world. Most businesses have large number of suppliers that transact during business hours. All these arrangements can breakdown if there was request to change their schedule. It will be chaos.

However if the time itself is changed (9 am has become 8 am, clock being turned back) there will be initial chaos as everyone synchronizes to the new clock, change their sleep schedule.
All business arrangements will continue to work.

Here is a picture from the Internet - walmart's model of interdependence. It is a generic picture.

 

[krish44]

Wouldn't it be simpler to just reschedule the office/school (and other related) timings? Like, pull the office/school opening hours to 1/2 or 1 hour earlier and thus finish earlier. Am I missing something here?

School bus transport is the bottleneck.

The buses which transport kids later on transport office goers. so it is scheduled in a staggered way in both directions.

similarly govt offices are staggered in two timings separated by 1hr 30 minutes.half of them open 90 minutes later.

delhi would be a transport mess without these arrangements.

if time changes are made which affect all the same way like pushing it forwrds or backwards , it should work well

 

[auh]

The change required for businesses and organizational units cannot be escaped no matter what. However there is no cost for enforcement or cost due to lack of standard way of operating.

A business may be opening at 9 am and closing at 6 pm, another may open at 8 am and close at 5 pm.

If all these people are asked to change, they may or may not do it. Which means if some change and others don't there will be consequences.

If a couple have working arrangement made for school/ baby sitting/ after school activities for their children
If business of each of the couple and the schools do not all exactly obey the new directives there will be chaos.

We live in an interdependent world. Most businesses have large number of suppliers that transact during business hours. All these arrangements can breakdown if there was request to change their schedule. It will be chaos.

However if the time itself is changed (9 am has become 8 am, clock being turned back) there will be initial chaos as everyone synchronizes to the new clock, change their sleep schedule.
All business arrangements will continue to work.

Here is a picture from the Internet - walmart's model of interdependence. It is a generic picture.

Thanks for clarifying. It then all boils down to what one chooses to obey.

This can happen even when the times are tweaked by the govt. Individuals may not adjust their time accordingly. In a country like India where the rural mass is huge, most would not even bother to adjust. It may not even register in their minds. Even if it did, the idea that time could be changed to suit one's convenience and cost will not factor well with them, I feel.

Hence, the directive to prepone all school and office timing would be more effective, imo.

 

[vgane]

Thanks for clarifying. It then all boils down to what one chooses to obey.

This can happen even when the times are tweaked by the govt. Individuals may not adjust their time accordingly. In a country like India where the rural mass is huge, most would not even bother to adjust. It may not even register in their minds. Even if it did, the idea that time could be changed to suit one's convenience and cost will not factor well with them, I feel.

Hence, the directive to prepone all school and office timing would be more effective, imo.

The timings of start & end will not change....If school was earlier opening at 8 AM it will continue to open at 8AM...But on account of time zone shift, it amounts to opening at 7.30 AM as per earlier time zone..So in effect you are starting early & finishing early...

 

[sarang]

There was a report from UK some months ago that DST system and advancing the clock by an hour does not give any benefit or advantage now though perhaps it was effective in world war time. Companies and institutions have staggered timings, industries have different shift timing and malls, offices and shops have the lights and facilities on all the time whether sun is up or down. The recommendation was to discontinue this and stick to one clock throughout the year. I will try to locate it and post it.

India has to address the big difference in time zone between assam and gujarat, 68 to 97deg east.31 deg corresponding to 124 minutes, more than 2 hours.

 

[P.J.]

Researchers from the National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, have found that by just advancing our clocks by 30 minutes we can save about 2.7 billion units of electricity every year. This saving amounts to almost 18 per cent of evening peaking energy use, and would partly reduce the deficit that we presently suffer. It will save billions of ruppees of Government.

Proposal of advancing IST by half an hour provides maximum energy saving during evening hours when the utilities fail to supply continuous power. Load shedding is common all over the country and power and energy shortages amount to 11 per cent and 12 per cent respectively.

How is energy saved?Energy is saved by longer use of sunlight and consequently less use of energy for lighting. The demand for electricity goes up in the morning for water heating and increases again in the evening for five to six hours, mainly for lighting, declining as people turn off lights and go to bed.

The advancement of IST by half an hour only is unlikely to alter their habits and a person waking at 7 a.m. and going to bed at 11 p.m. will continue to do so, but advanced 7 a.m. is unaltered 6.30 a.m. when the sun is already up in most parts of the country, and 11 p.m. is the same as unaltered 10.30 p.m.

In other words, people all over India will go to bed and wake up half an hour before they presently do and thus their waking hours will be more aligned to the daily cycle of sunshine. One assumption of course is that office times and factory times remain unaltered.


It needs to be understood that people switch on lights not by looking at the watch but by the descending darkness after sunset. If on a particular day it got dark at 6 p.m., in say Mumbai, it will still get dark at the same time but the watch would show 6.30, since it has been put forward by half an hour.

Assuming lights kept turned on for five hours from 6 to 11 (bedtime) now will be kept on from 6.30 to 11 (bedtime), that is for 4/ hours, the half-hour saving on lighting leads to an energy saving of 2.7 billion units of energy per year for the country.

Besides saving energy, a longer sunlit evening would reduce street crimes. Traffic accidents may also come down to some extent.

https://www.quora.com/

 

[tks]

Researchers from the National Institute of Advanced Studies, Bangalore, have found that by just advancing our clocks by 30 minutes we can save about 2.7 billion units of electricity every year. This saving amounts to almost 18 per cent of evening peaking energy use, and would partly reduce the deficit that we presently suffer. It will save billions of ruppees of Government.

Proposal of advancing IST by half an hour provides maximum energy saving during evening hours when the utilities fail to supply continuous power. Load shedding is common all over the country and power and energy shortages amount to 11 per cent and 12 per cent respectively.

How is energy saved?Energy is saved by longer use of sunlight and consequently less use of energy for lighting. The demand for electricity goes up in the morning for water heating and increases again in the evening for five to six hours, mainly for lighting, declining as people turn off lights and go to bed.

The advancement of IST by half an hour only is unlikely to alter their habits and a person waking at 7 a.m. and going to bed at 11 p.m. will continue to do so, but advanced 7 a.m. is unaltered 6.30 a.m. when the sun is already up in most parts of the country, and 11 p.m. is the same as unaltered 10.30 p.m.

In other words, people all over India will go to bed and wake up half an hour before they presently do and thus their waking hours will be more aligned to the daily cycle of sunshine. One assumption of course is that office times and factory times remain unaltered.


It needs to be understood that people switch on lights not by looking at the watch but by the descending darkness after sunset. If on a particular day it got dark at 6 p.m., in say Mumbai, it will still get dark at the same time but the watch would show 6.30, since it has been put forward by half an hour.

Assuming lights kept turned on for five hours from 6 to 11 (bedtime) now will be kept on from 6.30 to 11 (bedtime), that is for 4/ hours, the half-hour saving on lighting leads to an energy saving of 2.7 billion units of energy per year for the country.

Besides saving energy, a longer sunlit evening would reduce street crimes. Traffic accidents may also come down to some extent.

https://www.quora.com/

Good explanation! thanks

 

[yesmohan]

The timings of start & end will not change....If school was earlier opening at 8 AM it will continue to open at 8AM...But on account of time zone shift, it amounts to opening at 7.30 AM as per earlier time zone..So in effect you are starting early & finishing early...

I also understand the same.

Timings of offices,schools, establishments will not change; only the clock would have to be set fast forward by 30 minutes.

Change is required only in people adjusting themselves earlier by 30 minutes in their habits,routines and programmes.

 

[tbs]

hi

in USA....very successfull in DST..many time zones working properly....in some states NO DST AT ALL IN USA....