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[Siva_Raman]

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This is my first posting. I am thinking whats the relationship between ayurvedam and nakshatram. Today is Poosam nakshatram and my grand daughter got ayurvedam thanga baspam medicine. The vaithyar never told why they give ayurvedam medicine on poosam day. Please help anyone who knew the answer. Also, its safe or not? Thangabaspam.

 

[ashwin_ash]

You may want to check the ingredients for heavy metals.

 

[prasad1]

This is my first posting. I am thinking whats the relationship between ayurvedam and nakshatram. Today is Poosam nakshatram and my grand daughter got ayurvedam thanga baspam medicine. The vaithyar never told why they give ayurvedam medicine on poosam day. Please help anyone who knew the answer. Also, its safe or not? Thangabaspam.

siva-ramanji,
Welcome to the forum.
I am not a ayurveda person, nor I believe in astrology.
The post#2 is very relevant. Any medicine prescribed and dispensed by a non-professional should be a warning sign.
Any medicine to an extent is faith based, so if you have faith and is harmless, it may be taken.

By the way why are you medicating your daughter? Was there some medical problem, that has been seen by a medical professional?

 

[renuka]

This is my first posting. I am thinking whats the relationship between ayurvedam and nakshatram. Today is Poosam nakshatram and my grand daughter got ayurvedam thanga baspam medicine. The vaithyar never told why they give ayurvedam medicine on poosam day. Please help anyone who knew the answer. Also, its safe or not? Thangabaspam.

Dear Sir,

Thanga Bhaspam ..contains Gold.

Medically gold is used in some treatments but mainly to treat Rheumatoid Arthritis.

When the content of Gold is not regulated it can be potentially toxic.

Certain Ayurvedic preparations add Maharasnadi Quath along with Gold Bhasma..and Maharasnadi does contain Traces of Heavy metals.

So it all depends on the contents of the medication.

As far as I know most Ayurvedic medications rarely give detail breakdown of its heavy metal content cos I wonder if there is a regulatory board for this.So its on these grounds I seldom recommend any of my patients to take heavy metal Ayurvedic medication cos we do not know much about side effects of these medication.

Everyone thinks that herbal/ayurvedic medication are "Natural" and do not contain side effects..but in reality there is nothing in this world that does not have a side effect..for every action there is a reaction..and this law of cause and effect holds good right from medication to Karma!

BTW what is the ailment of your grand daughter?

Have you seen a doctor so far?

 

[krish44]

ayurvedic oils are good for massage and for some ailments. but ,better to stick to allopathy. if it fails only ,one could try alternate systems of medicine IMHO.if you mention her ailment ,there are some in this forum who can give good suggestions

 

[sarang]

People seek astrological advise from Banaras Hindu University experts for health

Eternal do gooders are ready with advice which is not sought. Commie brinda karat tried to discredit swamy ramdev with a wild accusation that some of his medicines contain human bones (with hint of human sacrifice) and had to apologise (lucky to escape defamation suit). I was associated with a hospital that has departments for ayurveda and homeopathy and share clinical diagnostic services. The OPD patient is free to choose the type of treatment. The doctor's reputation attracts patients.

An ayurvedic and research centre is now established in gujarat. There are indications that the new government will revive and support traditional medicine and practices. A report on astrology and medicine from BHU.

TNN | Feb 13, 2014, 01.34PM IST
VARANASI: The parents of a girl from Allahabad, suffering from blood cancer, consulted a professor of astrology at Banaras Hindu University (BHU) seeking some advice regarding her health. Similarly, a youth from Delhi came to astrology department to seek advice for his stomach ailment.

"On an average 3-4 people, particularly suffering from cancer, come to us seeking advice based on the calculation of horoscopes. It is beyond limit to prescribe modern medication, but we can calculate the gravity of ailment after examining an individual's natal chart", said Prof Chandramauli Upadhyaya, head of the department of Astrology department.

"In case of the girl from Allahabad, her father informed that she is responding well to the medication, and she is out of danger as we had predicted," said Upadhyaya adding that the youth from Delhi, who feared cancer, was diagnosed with some minor stomach ailment.

Another astrology teacher, Dr Vinay Pandey, who worked on a UGC project of 'astrological diagnosis and treatment of asthma', said that a database of about 250 asthma patients was studied on the basis of their horoscope.

The department is also studying the cases of heart disease. "The astrology literatures suggest curative measures by applying the traditional methods of treatment through 'mantra' (hymns), 'ratna' (gems) and 'aushadhi' (medicines)", said Pandey adding that they only advise for mantra and ratna while aushadhi is prescribed by medical practitioner (of ayurveda or modern medicine).

"Even the doctors of reputed cancer hospital admit that our 80% prediction about cancer patients proved true," said Upadhyaya.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...tackle-health-issues/articleshow/30334332.cms

 

[krish44]

there is a kerala ayurvedic pharmacy on usman road ahead of saravana on one side of panagal park in chennai .there is an old renowned ayurvedic doctor from kerala who is supposed to be good in his profession.it might be worth consulting him if you have belief in ayurveda.only you should follow tha malayalam-tamil mix he talks.My wife believes in him and keeps collecting all kinds of medicines from him. I have tasted some kashayams out of curiosity. they taste like real good country liquor.

 

[sangom]

This is my first posting. I am thinking whats the relationship between ayurvedam and nakshatram. Today is Poosam nakshatram and my grand daughter got ayurvedam thanga baspam medicine. The vaithyar never told why they give ayurvedam medicine on poosam day. Please help anyone who knew the answer. Also, its safe or not? Thangabaspam.

Shri Siva_Raman,

"Guru Pushyami" which means Thursday (Guruvaaram) and Pushya nakshatram (Poosam) combining is considered very very auspicious in some parts of India (like Gujarat) whereas in places of south India such days are considered highly inauspicious for anything whatsoever. This fact alone should make it clear to any ordinary person that all such beliefs about Nakshatras, weekdays, etc., and auspicious days for commencing new medicine/treatment, etc., are mere superstitious beliefs.

Thanga Bhasmam (not Thangabaspam - I don't think there is any medicine with that name) has to be prepared by incinerating small piece of gold with prescribed herbs, etc., in an airtight container for prescribed number of days where the heat source was, in the olden days, from burning cowdung varattis and other prescribed herbal stems and roots (sun-dried, of course). If the contents do not turn powdery after the prescribed number of days, a fresh batch has to be tried for longer time, etc., till we get the real Thangabhasmam or gold ash. Hence this medicine which is a Siddha medicine (and not strictly ayurvedic) has been very costly even in olden days when our rich Zamindars used to boast that their extra-ordinary sexual staying powers and their capacity to enjoy any number of girls, etc., was because they took Thangabhasmam regularly! (There used to be Pavizha bhasmam, Shankha Bhasmam, Thaamra (copper) bhasmam, etc., also. There is absolutely no research done about the efficacy, if any, of any of these Siddha medicines and it is just as good or as bad as quack medicine.

It is not clear why your grand daughter was given Thangabhasmam by some vaithyar. While the Vaithyar may be sincerely doing whatever he has learned by tradition, please find out whether you can file a case against the Vaithyar if his so-called treatment goes awry and your grand daughter's case becomes a hopeless case. It is always better to use allopathy till the patient is found to be a terminal case when we can use any of the hundreds of unscientific quack type of medicines or even sacred ash given by some gurus/swamijis, etc., with the claim that such ash will cure even cancer-like diseases!

 

[Siva_Raman]

Shri Siva_Raman,

"Guru Pushyami" which means Thursday (Guruvaaram) and Pushya nakshatram (Poosam) combining is considered very very auspicious in some parts of India (like Gujarat) whereas in places of south India such days are considered highly inauspicious for anything whatsoever. This fact alone should make it clear to any ordinary person that all such beliefs about Nakshatras, weekdays, etc., and auspicious days for commencing new medicine/treatment, etc., are mere superstitious beliefs.

Thanga Bhasmam (not Thangabaspam - I don't think there is any medicine with that name) has to be prepared by incinerating small piece of gold with prescribed herbs, etc., in an airtight container for prescribed number of days where the heat source was, in the olden days, from burning cowdung varattis and other prescribed herbal stems and roots (sun-dried, of course). If the contents do not turn powdery after the prescribed number of days, a fresh batch has to be tried for longer time, etc., till we get the real Thangabhasmam or gold ash. Hence this medicine which is a Siddha medicine (and not strictly ayurvedic) has been very costly even in olden days when our rich Zamindars used to boast that their extra-ordinary sexual staying powers and their capacity to enjoy any number of girls, etc., was because they took Thangabhasmam regularly! (There used to be Pavizha bhasmam, Shankha Bhasmam, Thaamra (copper) bhasmam, etc., also. There is absolutely no research done about the efficacy, if any, of any of these Siddha medicines and it is just as good or as bad as quack medicine.

It is not clear why your grand daughter was given Thangabhasmam by some vaithyar. While the Vaithyar may be sincerely doing whatever he has learned by tradition, please find out whether you can file a case against the Vaithyar if his so-called treatment goes awry and your grand daughter's case becomes a hopeless case. It is always better to use allopathy till the patient is found to be a terminal case when we can use any of the hundreds of unscientific quack type of medicines or even sacred ash given by some gurus/swamijis, etc., with the claim that such ash will cure even cancer-like diseases!

Dear Sir,

It was meant to be general health tonic. I never thought the possibility heavy metals. I will ask them to be careful since its for no reason, there are many health tonics which are safer in the market.

 

[prasad1]

Post#6 is purely boasting about anything ancient Indian culture. These merchants will sell you "snake oil" for cancer treatment, but when it comes to their own family would only use the best hospitals. Just because it is ancient and written on a stone tablet does not make it legitimate.
Sangomji and Renukaji gave you very balanced opinion. Please listen to their advice.

 

[sarang]

Disbelievers, as opposed to unbelievers, act differently. Glad sensible indians ignore such people and evaluate what is best for them from advice available from family members, friends, experts and people in the know. Alternative systems of medicine, especially indian system of medicine is recovering its true value, respect and support.

I do not know who prescribed snake oil for cancer. But a oncologist told our family members that medicines used during chemotherapy are worse than poison. Snake venom affects blood, blood pressure, nervous system and cell destruction. Cancer meddles with cell growth and decay - there is a connection.

Philosophy and principles of treatment are different for the indian systems. There are people who swear by homeopathy and other traditional systems. Making wisecracks is an insult to the intelligence of the patients with faith. Some never learn.

 

[sangom]

Disbelievers, as opposed to unbelievers, act differently. Glad sensible indians ignore such people and evaluate what is best for them from advice available from family members, friends, experts and people in the know. Alternative systems of medicine, especially indian system of medicine is recovering its true value, respect and support.

I do not know who prescribed snake oil for cancer. But a oncologist told our family members that medicines used during chemotherapy are worse than poison. Snake venom affects blood, blood pressure, nervous system and cell destruction. Cancer meddles with cell growth and decay - there is a connection.

Philosophy and principles of treatment are different for the indian systems. There are people who swear by homeopathy and other traditional systems. Making wisecracks is an insult to the intelligence of the patients with faith. Some never learn.

Some never learn!
Thisis a truth.But I have seen that it applies to both those who are "disbelievers" as also to those who are "sensible indians" according to the above post. In poorer states like the bimaru, most common people cannot even dream of allopathic treatment and so such people have to depend, by force, on the various quack systems of medicine whose dependability is not at all sure. That is where homoeopathy (nowadays the more successful homoeopaths powder allopathic tablets, mix it with their sugary powder and give to patients), unani, siddha, ayurveda, reiki, sujok, etc., thrive.

Shri Siva_raman does not appear to be from such an ignorant and helpless class of indians. That was why I thought of giving my honest advice. If it does not appeal to you, kindly bear with me.

One of my colleagues, a well-educated bank officer had recurrring stomach pain. Possibly because he belonged to the "sensible indian" category, he sought advice from equally sensible friends and others who recommended an ayurvedic vaidyan. The vaidyan's "Rasaayanam" gave good relief for some time and the vaidyan advised him (my colleague) to take that Rasaayanam for a few more months. After two bottles, his stomach pain became uncontrollable and all attempts of the vaidyan failed completely. Then our sensible indian friends took my friend to the medical college hospital but they found that it was a "gone case" of heavy metal poisoning. My dear friend passed away at the young age of 34 leaving behind an unemployed widow and two small kids.

In another case, the wife of a bank clerk was diagnosed with cancer by allopathic doctors who were hopeful that it can be kept under control with suitable, periodic treatment. Some "sensible indian" friends and well-wishers of that employee however recommended an ayurvedic doctor from north Kerala who was supposed to have cured all kinds of cancer with his ayurvedic medicines. The poor fellow adopted that course and his wife died within a month!

Because I know of such cases, I still believe that allopathy is the best although it also has its negative points. Even ayurvedic treatment is full of negatives because it increases the amount of steroids in the body and gives rise to rheumatic and rheumatoid complaints. Homoeopathy weakens the nervous system if used for long periods, and so on.

 

[tbs]

Some never learn!
Thisis a truth.But I have seen that it applies to both those who are "disbelievers" as also to those who are "sensible indians" according to the above post. In poorer states like the bimaru, most common people cannot even dream of allopathic treatment and so such people have to depend, by force, on the various quack systems of medicine whose dependability is not at all sure. That is where homoeopathy (nowadays the more successful homoeopaths powder allopathic tablets, mix it with their sugary powder and give to patients), unani, siddha, ayurveda, reiki, sujok, etc., thrive.

Shri Siva_raman does not appear to be from such an ignorant and helpless class of indians. That was why I thought of giving my honest advice. If it does not appeal to you, kindly bear with me.

One of my colleagues, a well-educated bank officer had recurrring stomach pain. Possibly because he belonged to the "sensible indian" category, he sought advice from equally sensible friends and others who recommended an ayurvedic vaidyan. The vaidyan's "Rasaayanam" gave good relief for some time and the vaidyan advised him (my colleague) to take that Rasaayanam for a few more months. After two bottles, his stomach pain became uncontrollable and all attempts of the vaidyan failed completely. Then our sensible indian friends took my friend to the medical college hospital but they found that it was a "gone case" of heavy metal poisoning. My dear friend passed away at the young age of 34 leaving behind an unemployed widow and two small kids.

In another case, the wife of a bank clerk was diagnosed with cancer by allopathic doctors who were hopeful that it can be kept under control with suitable, periodic treatment. Some "sensible indian" friends and well-wishers of that employee however recommended an ayurvedic doctor from north Kerala who was supposed to have cured all kinds of cancer with his ayurvedic medicines. The poor fellow adopted that course and his wife died within a month!

Because I know of such cases, I still believe that allopathy is the best although it also has its negative points. Even ayurvedic treatment is full of negatives because it increases the amount of steroids in the body and gives rise to rheumatic and rheumatoid complaints. Homoeopathy weakens the nervous system if used for long periods, and so on.

hi
exactly correct sir....ayurveda is good for external....sometimes not good for internal...i expect this reply from sangom sir sometime

back.....now i got it...

 

[prasad1]

Alternative medicine is any medical treatment that is not part of conventional evidence-based medicine, such as one would learn in medical school, nursing school or even paramedic training. Much, if not most of the "alternative medicine" world lacks any scientific proof of its effectiveness, and that which does have real effectiveness, tends to be palliative rather than curative.


Alternative medicines or therapies range from being scientifically provable to scientifically disproven, and can be benign (and often ridiculous) all the way to downright dangerous. Medical science has only recently started to do quality and quantity research into alternative medicine. With the exception of some surprising and exciting treatments that have true medical potential, the vast majority of the therapies do little if anything beyond the placebo effect. Even when the treatment actually does something, the reasons given by practitioners for why the treatment is effective are almost never based on correct scientific information. Benign treatments have the advantage of not directly injuring a patient, other than money and at worst precious time going out the window. The ridiculous cannot possibly have any medical effects (beyond that of the placebo effect at the least), or may be actively dangerous to the patient.
All alternative medicine, even the "effective" therapies have the danger of convincing an unwell person to forgo actual medical treatments because they think they are getting better (which can happen with palliative remedies and placebos) or they choose to trust their alternative practitioner who is offering a "cure". For example, a person with cancer may convince himself to try a homeopathic remedy. Also, many herbal remedies can actually interfere with prescription drugs, lessening their effect or even causing dangerous side-effects. Since almost all alternative medicines are unproven; many advocates (known to some as "alties") tend to appeal to "health freedom," rather than actually try to prove that their nostrums work.

Many practitioners exploit vulnerable patients. They give false hope to people who are incurably sick and frequently charge high prices for useless treatments. The belief that alternative medicines are somehow "less risky" or "less harsh" than conventional medicine has led some to take alternative medicine over conventional medicine. While this may often be true (though don't say that to someone who's lost skin or body parts to black salves sometimes used for skin cancers), the potential health risks of not taking conventional medicine for an illness far outweigh the risks from the side effects of these medicines.

When a student wants to become a physician, he or she must attend a certified medical school, pass rigorous medical exams, and participate in carefully monitored and regulated internships all regulated by the governmental bodies who license the doctor. For the majority of alternative medicine, no such regulation is in place. For a few specific alternative therapies like chiropractic work and message therapy, regulatory bodies do exist. However, pretty much every other field of alternative medicine has no regulation at all. Call yourself a color therapist, and lo-and-behold, you are one.


There is also a lack of regulation in the products sold as "alternative" or "herbal" medicines. You cannot, for example, know what is in a "sleep healing tea", how much of each ingredient, how potent the pills are, or even whether it contains the listed ingredient(s) at all (some herbal products, in fact, do not contain the herb(s) listed on the label). Also, as there is little scientific research, "doses" are always a guess. "Try one pill. If that doesn't work, take two."

Various sources.

 

[renuka]

Dear Sivaraman Ji,

I am a medical doctor by profession and I will give you some practical advise:

1)Firstly I do not believe in any so called General Tonics...this is just marketing scam.
I have noticed that my patients from India keep asking me for General Tonic and I tell them in a normal healthy individual we do NOT need any so called Tonic.I never give any of this stuff to my family.

2)Most Indian parents are always under the impression that a child needs some appetite stimulant to keep eating and eating..Indians love a chubby child..not understanding that over eating at a young age leads to obesity in teens and adult hood.

These days most indian female teens are obese even during teens and have menstrual problems with increased facial hair..and in adulthood this leads to infertility.

3)I personally DO NOT advocate unwarranted uses of antibiotics.I seldom prescribe them unless warranted.
I myself try to avoid as ,much as I can giving it to myself or my family.In fact I do not even give my son Vitamins cos I feel source of Vitamins should come from fresh food and vegetables and not from a tablet.But taking an occasional Vitamin C tablet should be fine.

4)Remember..falling sick once in a while..getting coughs and colds once in a while is NORMAL.
That helps build immunity and reduce risk of allergies in later part of live.


So my advice to you is do not give your granddaughter Gold Bhasma..its a heavy metal that too being prescribed for nothing at all.

In this Forum you would find all sorts of posts..some die hard hard core traditionalist and some practical posts and some totally "crazy" posts.

So I can only advise you this much from the medical point of view and I think you can surely make the right decision.

 

[krish44]

since doctors are pressured for quick cures by anxious parents for normal diseases such as cough and cold,most doctors end up giving anti biotics. also it is fashionable to to take expensive medicines . I have seen many housewives boasting about the cost of the tablets they are giving to their children.most when they can be cured by crocin and the like end up with medical bills running into hundreds.
also so is the madness for tonics,stimulants. most mothers are guilty of talking of protien shortage or vitaminB complex for indian kids.these kids can be given wholesome good home foods.school canteens serve fast foods and the juices including cold drinks leading to obesity.
also the madness for medical test. the minute anyone complains of any ailment ,the doctors recommend a series of tests from blood,urine,x-ray and some more tests depending on which labs bribe him for recommendation.
when the doctor sees you for the first time, he discreetly finds out ,if the medicines are reimbursible. if yes,then you are in heavy spending loop.the costs of consultaion has gone up enormously. A GP who used to take 30-50 rs for consultation three years back charges ten times
these days.also,somehow ,he manages to con you into multiple consultations to boost his income
where will the poor go,if this is the state of allopathic medical care.they hae to think of alternative medicine and fall into traps of quacks promising cures thru herbs and magic[mandrikkarradhu] giving the poor some thread or tavich to wear . my domestic servants husband had a brain hemorrage. since the allopathic doctor advised a scan which was expensive
she went to a local quack. he died because of lack of proper treatment. . hospitals do not admit the poor citing lack of beds though they are duty bound to admit the poor as they have got land from govt at subsidised rates with promise of treating the poor free.
medical care in india is stinking. mnc s talk of copy rights for antibiotics and india can do with cheap generic drugs for treatment. there is a need for price control for common anti biotics. Mrs IG when she was PM was effective in taking on the MNC lobbies and controlled drug prices. now it is free for all . indians are in for bad times as far as medical care is concerned

 

[renuka]

since doctors are pressured for quick cures by anxious parents for normal diseases such as cough and cold,most doctors end up giving anti biotics. also it is fashionable to to take expensive medicines . I have seen many housewives boasting about the cost of the tablets they are giving to their children.most when they can be cured by crocin and the like end up with medical bills running into hundreds.
also so is the madness for tonics,stimulants. most mothers are guilty of talking of protien shortage or vitaminB complex for indian kids.these kids can be given wholesome good home foods.school canteens serve fast foods and the juices including cold drinks leading to obesity.
also the madness for medical test. the minute anyone complains of any ailment ,the doctors recommend a series of tests from blood,urine,x-ray and some more tests depending on which labs bribe him for recommendation.
when the doctor sees you for the first time, he discreetly finds out ,if the medicines are reimbursible. if yes,then you are in heavy spending loop.the costs of consultaion has gone up enormously. A GP who used to take 30-50 rs for consultation three years back charges ten times
these days.also,somehow ,he manages to con you into multiple consultations to boost his income
where will the poor go,if this is the state of allopathic medical care.they hae to think of alternative medicine and fall into traps of quacks promising cures thru herbs and magic[mandrikkarradhu] giving the poor some thread or tavich to wear . my domestic servants husband had a brain hemorrage. since the allopathic doctor advised a scan which was expensive
she went to a local quack. he died because of lack of proper treatment. . hospitals do not admit the poor citing lack of beds though they are duty bound to admit the poor as they have got land from govt at subsidised rates with promise of treating the poor free.
medical care in india is stinking. mnc s talk of copy rights for antibiotics and india can do with cheap generic drugs for treatment. there is a need for price control for common anti biotics. Mrs IG when she was PM was effective in taking on the MNC lobbies and controlled drug prices. now it is free for all . indians are in for bad times as far as medical care is concerned

Dear Krish ji,

You really cant think that doctors are like what you portray.We stand the risk of getting de registered if a doctor does like what you just wrote.Laws are strict here.

I am sitting here waiting for a fax from the lab for a patient who is waiting for an urgent results and for this consultation I am not charging him cos the lab test was quite expensive to start with.

So when he is here again for re consultation I am not even charging him..not all doctors want to boost income by devious methods.

Such money is not worth it.

When I see a patient this is what goes thru my mind:

1)Patient needs to get well.

2)Dont want anyone dying

3)Dont want to get sued

4)Get my income and be happy with whatever I get.

 

[krish44]

Dear Krish ji,

You really cant think that doctors are like what you portray.We stand the risk of getting de registered if a doctor does like what you just wrote.Laws are strict here.

I am sitting here waiting for a fax from the lab for a patient who is waiting for an urgent results and for this consultation I am not charging him cos the lab test was quite expensive to start with.

So when he is here again for re consultation I am not even charging him..not all doctors want to boost income by devious methods.

Such money is not worth it.

When I see a patient this is what goes thru my mind:

1)Patient needs to get well.

2)Dont want anyone dying

3)Dont want to get sued

4)Get my income and be happy with whatever I get.

you may be a good samaritan. you have some values left in you
I am talking of the general crowd
getting sued is only if the patients relatives are extra rich. In Delhi ,there is fear of manhandling of doctors if a patient dies of wrong treatment or even otherwise even when he is not at fault. private practising hazards are there . hence this madness for lot of extra diagnosis tests before treatmant and reference to hospital for simple ailments.
now you know why I avoid going to any of them ,if I can help it

 

[renuka]

you may be a good samaritan. you have some values left in you
I am talking of the general crowd
getting sued is only if the patients relatives are extra rich. In Delhi ,there is fear of manhandling of doctors if a patient dies of wrong treatment or even otherwise even when he is not at fault. private practising hazards are there . hence this madness for lot of extra diagnosis tests before treatmant and reference to hospital for simple ailments.
now you know why I avoid going to any of them ,if I can help it

But you are painting a very negative image of doctors in India.

I was a student in India before and have met many doctors in private sector too who were ethical and skillful.

BTW no doctor in the right mind would want to keep cheating his/her patient cos if we keep doing so our reputation will get spoiled and we will eventually lose clientele.

BTW litigation has increased and also pressure is on doctors to not miss out any diagnosis of the remotest kind.

These days for all types of viral fever I run a screening test to rule of Dengue cos Dengue deaths are on the rise here and if patients dies..we stand the risk of being sued or even a jail term if we were negligent in NOT detecting Dengue.Even if we fail to notify a Dengue case to CDC within 24 hours there is a risk of a fine or short term jail sentence.

So you see when law is stricter and patients are demanding..we need to protect both the patients and ourselves.

 

[ashwin_ash]

But you are painting a very negative image of doctors in India.

I was a student in India before and have met many doctors in private sector too who were ethical and skillful.

BTW no doctor in the right mind would want to keep cheating his/her patient cos if we keep doing so our reputation will get spoiled and we will eventually lose clientele.

BTW litigation has increased and also pressure is on doctors to not miss out any diagnosis of the remotest kind.

These days for all types of viral fever I run a screening test to rule of Dengue cos Dengue deaths are on the rise here and if patients dies..we stand the risk of being sued or even a jail term if we were negligent in NOT detecting Dengue.Even if we fail to notify a Dengue case to CDC within 24 hours there is a risk of a fine or short term jail sentence.

So you see when law is stricter and patients are demanding..we need to protect both the patients and ourselves.

Here the doctor's office has a separate private lab attached to it to run tests. The doctors do it to avoid litigation. Of course, one can always refuse the tests but the doctor might refuse to see the patient the next time around. Having faith and trust in the doctor is very important, but it is also equally important to ask around before choosing a doctor.

 

[krish44]

But you are painting a very negative image of doctors in India.

I was a student in India before and have met many doctors in private sector too who were ethical and skillful.

BTW no doctor in the right mind would want to keep cheating his/her patient cos if we keep doing so our reputation will get spoiled and we will eventually lose clientele.

BTW litigation has increased and also pressure is on doctors to not miss out any diagnosis of the remotest kind.

These days for all types of viral fever I run a screening test to rule of Dengue cos Dengue deaths are on the rise here and if patients dies..we stand the risk of being sued or even a jail term if we were negligent in NOT detecting Dengue.Even if we fail to notify a Dengue case to CDC within 24 hours there is a risk of a fine or short term jail sentence.

So you see when law is stricter and patients are demanding..we need to protect both the patients and ourselves.

look ,renukaji
I undertand the issues involved.
First ,the prohibitive cost of medical education got thru donation if not got from govt colleges.
then internship
followed by specialisation again with limited seats in various colleges
If a doctor has to do private practise,he has to have some initial experience and financial backing to start private practise.
to become financially viable in practise is a tall order. there is competition besides old conventional GP are preferred to ones with limited experience ,however good he is academically'.

In india most think a job in a foreign country is a better proposition to local practise.
The costs of medical education lead to the pressure for high consultation costs besides other evils associated with the profession. To not yield and become different is difficult for doctors.they are also people and they have to cope with the prevailing system

Then the fear of wrong diagnosis and threat both legal and physical on wrong treatment.
when there are similar symptoms of high temp like malaria,typhoid ,viral etc ,well it is a matter of luck to guess without blood test what you are suffering from. dengue is coming out with different strains to add to the complications.
in addition to diagnosis with tests from unrecognised labs ,pressure to recommend various medicines from med representatives ,doctor ends up with having to tie up with known labs in which he has confidence run by cronies and recommend specialists from his circle ,give unknown brand of medicines from nearby stores not available elsewhere. so a nexus gets built up between all these elements. if you go with medical reports from any other agency,the doctor would tell you to repeat the tests from his contacts.many would have this experience irrespective of city you are in.
It is not a question of ethics. It is only instinct to survive financially and belong to clan and accepting the prevailing medical practises set by the local doctor community. one or two may try to be different. we have couple of tamil GPs here ,who run different clinics for the affluent and the poor at different locations close to each other. in poor area they charge a nominal fee with dispensing medicines also ,in the affluent area charge high consultation fee wit medicines to be got from the market.in the poor area,they get patients by the dozen and volume makes up for small fee.

 

[Vaagmi]

It is not as if all the herbs that a vaidhyan prescribes or all the kashayam that ayurvedic doctor suggest are full of only heavy metals which are harmful to health. The method I follow is this:

1. Never panic at the first sight of symptoms of a fever or some other ailment unless it is an emergency. Allow the body's immune system to fight it out. Wait for a day during which help the immune system with the general kashayam etc recommended by our elders in the family. Every old lady in the family knows this. If it is fever, give the patient sukku kashayam with chiththaraththai. If it is fever with running nose give the nilavembu kashayam three times a day for two days. If it is giddiness and vomitting give injichchaaru with fresh lemon juice. If it is heavy phlegm output accompanied by fever and head ache include thoothuvalai leaf in the chiththaraththai kashayam. For running nose do a "Avi pidiththal" and add a drop of eucalyptus oil to the steam. Dont listen to any allopathic doctor if he says all these aushadhis contain any heavy metal. They may. But your body is designed and equipped to excrete it after using it for the repair work.

2. If after a day or two the situation remains the same or worsens go to an allopathic doctor and surrender yourself to him completely. Trust him fully and follow the regime he prescribes. Go through all the tests he recommends and allow him to reach a conclusion before he starts a treatment. Dont resent him thinking that he is taking you on a wild goose chase. To avoid being taken for a ride, go to a reputed Doctor. I prefer to go to a reputed brahmin doctor.

3. I would like to touch on another problem which people here have left out. Many a doctor thinks that the patient is a stupid fellow who does not know anything about diseases and medicines and is a pain/pest asking unnecessary questions repeatedly about the disease(the doc thinks the patient can not understand even if he explains the ailment). So it is an attitude of "I know best. Take it or leave it at your peril" sort of arrogance and condescension. I wonder whether these docs study patient psychology as a subject in their curriculum in medical college. A patient comes to a doc with a lot of anxiety and in a severely stressed state, most of his anxieties being about imagined scenarios. The doc should first make the fellow comfortable with him, make him get more confident about his body's ability to fight the disease etc., I once had the harrowing experience of going to a doc in Trivandrum. After he finished examining me he started jotting down his prescription. I asked him what was wrong with my system. He asked me point blanck whether he was the doctor or I. I got up and went to another doc without picking up his prescription. Then there was this another doc to whom I took my mother once. Even before completing the preliminary step of the examination with a steth, he quickly took out a readily printed list of tests to be done ticked a few and was dismissive about my queries as to what is the problem with her health. So it would be nice if these doctors become a little more humane and learn to respect the patient's right to know what is wrong with him and what the doc is planning to do about it.

 

[krish44]

some statistics on medical consultation and self medication of Delhi university students
1 about 85 percent students prefer self medication to doctor consultation
reason heavy consultation fees,lack of time and doctors being far away.
2 30 percent felt high consultation fee and lack of time,20percent wait time in consultation room,31 percent felt they did not find the need to consult.
3 self medication includes, getting from chemist shop without prescription,using old prescriptions,taking medicines from relatives,social circles or left over medicines home.
4 common ailments ,headache[86%]common cold[58%],others-stomach ache,vomitting,constipation,insomnia,diarrhoea,pimples.
many of them require expert help.according to hospital doctors.

 

[SANDHYAV]

pathetic.... there should be a primary health center or an urban health center close by any Delhi urban and suburban areas..these should be affordable....most uni will have a health center..

 

[krish44]

pathetic.... there should be a primary health center or an urban health center close by any Delhi urban and suburban areas..these should be affordable....most uni will have a health center..

univ has an affordable health centre within the campus . students and teachers can become members using their ID. since it is a campus spread over couple of kilometres perhaps ,going some distance and wait time there besides lack of faith in doctors there could be the reason for not going there.also even,in most homes for ordinary ailments people are reluctant to go to doctors due to expenses. even my company ,a govt company has allowed buying over the counter medicines from medical shops without prescriptions for common ailments upto hundred rupees seeing the expensive cost of consultation.there is a need for universal medicare at low cost .when one sees the OPD in govt hospitals and crowds there,I pity both the patients and doctors. generally the doctors often new handle over 100 per day ,giving a couple of minutes to every patient and scribbling medicines which are not available in hospitals-out of stock. these doctors are over worked besides poor living conditions in hostels of the hospital . every year some doctors hang themselves out of desperation . doctor strikes are common in these hospitals.