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The alleged kissing scene that was cut by the Censor Board
The great sociologist M.N. Srinivas once said prohibition was a Sanskritic act. Successive Indian governments imposed it from a moral point of view, and were willing to ignore the fallout of its economic aspects. Of course, prohibition has failed everywhere in the world and has failed in India also. But the impulse was there, to impose morality on the individual, and this was difficult for us to resist. In 2015, we saw that the attraction of the Indian state towards the Sanskritic values remained strong. This impulse is common to all parties, including those that call themselves secular. In Bihar (governed by the Janata Dal) and in Kerala (governed by the Congress), the state is again moving towards prohibition. The justification is that this will build a more perfect society.

In 2015, many states run by the Hindutvawadis, like Haryana and Maharashtra, banned the slaughter of bovines. They used the cover of the Constitution when doing this. The makers of our Constitution lied to us when they said that the state should ban cow slaughter for economic reasons. This is totally untrue. If it were true, other countries would do the same thing. They do not. It is the Sanskritic, upper-caste impulse that drives this ban and we should be honest enough to admit it. This moral instinct in man manifests itself most strongly not in the self but in the acts of others, and what they should and should not do. The religious state imposes piety by forcing people to pray or fast or dress in a certain way. This is no different from the state in India denying the freedom to individuals to love the adult of their choice.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/151227/commentary-op-ed/article/liplock-stupidity
 
The alleged kissing scene that was cut by the Censor Board
The great sociologist M.N. Srinivas once said prohibition was a Sanskritic act. Successive Indian governments imposed it from a moral point of view, and were willing to ignore the fallout of its economic aspects. Of course, prohibition has failed everywhere in the world and has failed in India also. But the impulse was there, to impose morality on the individual, and this was difficult for us to resist. In 2015, we saw that the attraction of the Indian state towards the Sanskritic values remained strong. This impulse is common to all parties, including those that call themselves secular. In Bihar (governed by the Janata Dal) and in Kerala (governed by the Congress), the state is again moving towards prohibition. The justification is that this will build a more perfect society.

In 2015, many states run by the Hindutvawadis, like Haryana and Maharashtra, banned the slaughter of bovines. They used the cover of the Constitution when doing this. The makers of our Constitution lied to us when they said that the state should ban cow slaughter for economic reasons. This is totally untrue. If it were true, other countries would do the same thing. They do not. It is the Sanskritic, upper-caste impulse that drives this ban and we should be honest enough to admit it. This moral instinct in man manifests itself most strongly not in the self but in the acts of others, and what they should and should not do. The religious state imposes piety by forcing people to pray or fast or dress in a certain way. This is no different from the state in India denying the freedom to individuals to love the adult of their choice.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/151227/commentary-op-ed/article/liplock-stupidity

The author of this piece appears to have got it all wrong.

Prohibition was introduced because of the havoc the alcoho habit was causing to the ordinary folk. Alcohol had always been the luxury of the "society" folk. For ordinary folk it is a habit forming chemical which made them forget their worries for a while. The fact that there was no escape from the worries and that these worries came back stronger after the effect of alcohol wears out was never reckoned with. And there were many broken houses, estranged partners, orphaned children and ruined careers due to this alcohol menace.

Any Government worth its salt would have brought in prohibition. So for countries the world over prohibition is an ideal solution. But in Europe the climate being what it is, lets its people go for this drinking habit. In India it is because of the politics and big money that liquour sale is a roaring business. It is a palace built on tears and misery of voiceless sections of society.

The religion or the socalled "religious state" has nothing to do with prohibition. It is just a welfare legislation and was implemented. It is a different story that ultimately the money bags won and dispensed with that legislation with the connivance of politicians.

It appears the author wrote this piece when he was denied his lucky drops quota of one chota and one bada peg before going to bed. Poor soul. LOL.
 
prohibition is a sanskritic act according to MN srinivas.

listening to 'bhaja govindam'' a sanskrit composition sung by MSS on bose speakers with a glass of the bubbly in goa is a

great experience. Sanskrit and liquor mix transports one to a different world.

both prohibition and free liquor with sanskrit are equally good IMHO.

why drag the poor fellows into all this.

they have nothing to do with sanskrit or brahminism.
 
Some of us think we are higher castes and have a higher moral calibre to impose our puritanical lifestyle on others.

we take recourse to arguments like poor are suffering due to alcohol.

some practising a puritanical lifestyle are trying to thrust their way of life on others who did not ask for their

intervention. how can they arrogate this right to themselves.

prohibition is a fad. and is a foolish exercise likely to end in fiasco.

talking of tears and misery is emotional hype to hide a self interest of forcing the poor to conform to their

puritanical detestable lifestyle.

neither the brahmins nor the govt have the right to do such things like prohibition. it is interference in private lives

and world of the not so well off
 
Prohibition has never stopped drinking of intoxicating drinks. The enforcement was always lax.
Even in dry states like Gujarat, alcohol is freely available (for a price). In dry states people die due to the dubious drinks that are sold.
I do not drink, but I leave it to others to decide their lifestyle.
 
prohibition is a sanskritic act according to MN srinivas.
listening to 'bhaja govindam'' a sanskrit composition sung by MSS on bose speakers with a glass of the bubbly in goa is a
great experience. Sanskrit and liquor mix transports one to a different world.
both prohibition and free liquor with sanskrit are equally good IMHO.
why drag the poor fellows into all this.
they have nothing to do with sanskrit or brahminism.

What a scene!!! A glass of bubbly whatever, bhaja govindam by MS on bose sound system, making it out in the open with no cloth on, changing the beat to "Come closer, come closer and listen, that beat of my heart has been missing, my heart goes boom bang a bang, boom bang a bang......."...sung not by MS but by Lulu and - you can add anything to this heady mixture. Left to your fantasy you may add Gayatri mantra chanting to this. But it is an affront to the dignity of your religion and the dignity of many members here. Hope you realize that.

Go and ask Chinna Thaayi who sells herself for 10 Rs. to six customers every night in order to keep death away from the front door of her slum hut. She will give herself to you a million times if you can get her husband, the riksha driver, freed from alcohol. She will also tell you how hard it is to fight hunger. And finally if you prod she will tell you how her husband robs her income early morning every day by getting up before her to get his bottles for the day.

This is not an isolated story. This is the story common in slums.

No Bose system, no bhaja govindam it is one continuous wailing. A heart rending cry to the creator God to take away that one life for ever.

Krishji have you ever heard that cry? I have heard it. i have felt miserable about my existence at that moment. I have felt extremely frustrated about my inability to do much about it.

So as long as there is one Chinna Thayi in this country, prohibition should be strictly implemented. The "society" where being a member of the Key Club, swaping partners in the bed for a day, drinking quality liquor in unlimited quantities, taking drugs to get the ever elusive high etc. are common, people can be issued ID cards to permit them drink as they please and live as they please. Poverty and alcohol are dangerous combination and in my country the majority are poor.
 
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What a scene!!! A glass of bubbly whatever, bhaja govindam by MS on bose sound system, making it out in the open with no cloth on, changing the beat to "Come closer, come closer and listen, that beat of my heart has been missing, my heart goes boom bang a bang, boom bang a bang......."...sung not by MS but by Lulu and - you can add anything to this heady mixture. Left to your fantasy you may add Gayatri mantra chanting to this. But it is an affront to the dignity of your religion and the dignity of many members here. Hope you realize that.

Go and ask Chinna Thaayi who sells herself for 10 Rs. to six customers every night in order to keep death away from the front door of her slum hut. She will give herself to you a million times if you can get her husband, the riksha driver, freed from alcohol. She will also tell you how hard it is to fight hunger. And finally if you prod she will tell you how her husband robs her income early morning every day by getting up before her to get his bottles for the day.

This is not an isolated story. This is the story common in slums.

No Bose system, no bhaja govindam it is one continuous wailing. A heart rending cry to the creator God to take away that one life for ever.

Krishji have you ever heard that cry? I have heard it. i have felt miserable about my existence at that moment. I have felt extremely frustrated about my inability to do much about it.

So as long as there is one Chinna Thayi in this country, prohibition should be strictly implemented. The "society" where being a member of the Key Club, swaping partners in the bed for a day, drinking quality liquor in unlimited quantities, taking drugs to get the ever elusive high etc. are common, people can be issued ID cards to permit them drink as they please and live as they please. Poverty and alcohol are dangerous combination and in my country the majority are poor.
vaagmiji
your world is small. Do you know that in bhairon temple [kalbhairav shiva temple] outside puranakila delhi liquor is offered

by devotees as offering to God shiva and that is offered as prasadam to devotees.For siddhi of their wishes many throng

that temple. Religion has got nothing to do with consumption of liquor. also during phool walon ki sair festival pankhas are

taken from yogmaya mandir to samadhi of sufi saint Bakthiyar kaki since mughal times . this festival was revived by

j.nehru .

people did consume somras from ancient times. no one shouted abacharam.

I have lived in close proximity to slums for last twenty five years.I have seen life more in the raw than you can ever

imagine.My maid from the slums used to buy her husband a quarter of liquor every day out of love until he died .My

bathroom cleaner gets his quarter from his wife who holds a municipal job.all this hype about wailing etc of the poor is all

hogwash. Nice to write . A way of life cannot be changed by govt ,for that matter anyone else. the well off can leave the

poor alone.The poor did not beg the well off for intervention. There might be a fringe in that community asking for such things.
 
vaagmiji
1) your world is small. Do you know that in bhairon temple [kalbhairav shiva temple] outside puranakila delhi liquor is offered
by devotees as offering to God shiva and that is offered as prasadam to devotees.For siddhi of their wishes many throng
that temple. Religion has got nothing to do with consumption of liquor. also during phool walon ki sair festival pankhas are
taken from yogmaya mandir to samadhi of sufi saint Bakthiyar kaki since mughal times . this festival was revived by
j.nehru .people did consume somras from ancient times. no one shouted abacharam.

2) I have lived in close proximity to slums for last twenty five years.I have seen life more in the raw than you can ever
imagine.My maid from the slums used to buy her husband a quarter of liquor every day out of love until he died .My
bathroom cleaner gets his quarter from his wife who holds a municipal job.all this hype about wailing etc of the poor is all
hogwash. Nice to write . A way of life cannot be changed by govt ,for that matter anyone else. the well off can leave the
poor alone.The poor did not beg the well off for intervention. There might be a fringe in that community asking for such things.

Dear krishji,

Your undertanding of the world of poor people as well as the post I made is extremely poor.

I have added numbers in the quote for convenience of reference.

1) Where or when did I mention that prohibition has anything to do with religion. My objection was to your awkward attempt to mix bhajagovindam with bloody mary. I have many times mentioned about my childhood friend back in my village offering a bottle of freshly brewed arrack and a Dindigul Cigar to his favourite God Maadan. And I never suspect his bhakti. God is to each according to his ability. And God gives to each according to his need. I am glad that your Bhairon shiva is drinking alcohol and offering it as prasad to devotees too. The prohibition has nothing to do with that. We agree on that. So the Srinivas chap who wrote that piece that prohibition is some thing religious has no base and you and I agree on that.

2) My worry is more about this aspect of alcoholics. I am more bothered about alcoholics among the poorer sections of the society. And Chinna Thayi comes in that context. Even your maid from the slums who bought a quarter for her husband and the bath room cleaner who got his quarter from his wife were examples of MCPs. It was not the other way round. The husband did not work hard to get the quarter for his wife. These MCP parasites live out of their wives who are pathetic voiceless women. An alcoholic husband is reasonable only untill his craving starts. Once it has started he becomes just an animal. And this fact which can be confirmed by any Medical Doctor sounds like hog wash to you. LOL.

I repeat, liquor is not for all. It is the preserve of Rich and trendy higher echelons of society where discipline in this area has been dispensed with long back. Let the rich drink to their heart's or liver's content. No one is bothered; not even their family members. If he dies of cirhosis it is just good riddance. They will declare "The king is dead. Long live the King" and elect a new CEO in the next Board Meeting.

And todays news is this:

Supreme Court upholds liquor ban in non-5 star hotels in Kerala:

>SC upholds Kerala Government's policy to restrict service and consumption of liquor at bars in five star hotels only.

>Kerala's liquor policy is to be encouraged and not to be struck down or discouraged by the courts , says SC.

>Placing a moratorium on all hotels other than the five-star hotels, therefore, is not a violation of Article 14 of the Constitution SC said.

>Bar owners had said the liquor policy was discriminatory and would result in only the well heeled having access to alcohol and Court has rejected this argument.

So, my dear friend, binge drinking is just a hair's breadth away from pleasure drinking and alcoholism has ruined several families in the lower and middle class households. women and children are the worst sufferers.

Prohibition is indeed a welfare measure and Governments worth their salt must implement prohibition. QED.

LOL.
 
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prohibition is a sanskritic act according to MN srinivas.

listening to 'bhaja govindam'' a sanskrit composition sung by MSS on bose speakers with a glass of the bubbly in goa is a

great experience. Sanskrit and liquor mix transports one to a different world.

both prohibition and free liquor with sanskrit are equally good IMHO.

why drag the poor fellows into all this.

they have nothing to do with sanskrit or brahminism.

Were you already high with "a glass of bubbly" when you posted this message?

The original post spoke of "sanskritik" (meaning cultural) and not sanskrit or brahminism.

At least for a change post some messages which make some sense.
 
As regards kerala govt order, hotel owners 3 or 4 star are trying to convert it into five star . some minor investment to take

care of govt diktat.So there is a five star hotel boom.

by the way , my bathroom cleaner earns money though in sixties. In addition has educated and got his daughter married.

. he is like our normal lower middle class brahmin. My maid has a three storey house built on govt resettlement land built

with the joint earnings of husband and wife. now he is too old to work, she gets him his daily quota. all men and women are

reasonable even if poor. some men might be drunkards and wife beaters. that some brahmins also are. in slums they have

a good moral code.husband or wives desert their mates at will and get tied to another person without stigma. only we

brahmins suffer due to our beliefs
 
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Were you already high with "a glass of bubbly" when you posted this message?

The original post spoke of "sanskritik" (meaning cultural) and not sanskrit or brahminism.

At least for a change post some messages which make some sense.

of course , I am in goa and was enjoying with a glass of bubbly when I posted .

you have also posted sanskritik instead of sanskritic. I do not ask whether you know english spelling.

if one writes sanskritic meaning culture, I interpreted it as actions of a community which patronises sanskrit and who have

their religion , music and other activities revolving around sanskrit. many sanskrit compositions are in praise of god and

some poetry and works of kalidasa are not exactly religeous.

the idea was not to make sense to some who with an assumed name thinking differently
 
Dear krishji,

Please inform us after your return from Goa. We will wait until krishji becomes just krishji and gets free from the effects of alcohol. LOL.
 
vaagmiji

you are one up on me today.

I have pressed one for you and drink to your health . feni can be really nice when one drinks for one with a brilliant incisive

mind.lol
 
vaagmiji

you are one up on me today.

I have pressed one for you and drink to your health . feni can be really nice when one drinks for one with a brilliant incisive

mind.lol

That was like a bolt from the blue. LOL. Feni, the local liquour of Goa (coconut variety or cashew variety both) is a strong beverage. My friends say it goes well with Kappa (Tapioca) curry and Kaalai iraichchi (beef). I do not know whether the vaishnavite krishji is taking these also. Narayana!! Narayana!!! Mannichchu paramapathathile cherththukkoppa. LOL.
 
That was like a bolt from the blue. LOL. Feni, the local liquour of Goa (coconut variety or cashew variety both) is a strong beverage. My friends say it goes well with Kappa (Tapioca) curry and Kaalai iraichchi (beef). I do not know whether the vaishnavite krishji is taking these also. Narayana!! Narayana!!! Mannichchu paramapathathile cherththukkoppa. LOL.

hi

combination little change....FENI WITH KAPPA AND FISH CURRY....which are very common in coastal areas......kaalai iracchi

too much to digest for delhi vaishnavite.....narayana narayana.....lol
 
hi

combination little change....FENI WITH KAPPA AND FISH CURRY....which are very common in coastal areas......kaalai iracchi

too much to digest for delhi vaishnavite.....narayana narayana.....lol

Coconut feni with kappa and karimeen is the combination malayalees like. But krishji being in Goa, he may not get good quality karimeen which is a speciality of Kerala coast.

Any way for a Bohemian avtar of krishji it really does not matter whether it is fish or bull. Feni will take care. LOL.
 
That was like a bolt from the blue. LOL. Feni, the local liquour of Goa (coconut variety or cashew variety both) is a strong beverage. My friends say it goes well with Kappa (Tapioca) curry and Kaalai iraichchi (beef). I do not know whether the vaishnavite krishji is taking these also. Narayana!! Narayana!!! Mannichchu paramapathathile cherththukkoppa. LOL.
vaagmiji;
you require more education regarding feni.

It is an organic drink - it is a cashew fruit drink distilled over fire in sealed mud pots. It is very cheap 40-50 a

quarter available in local tavern. it is organic.any goan grand mother will tell you that it has medicinal value and can clear your respiratory

system , besides one does not get a hang over like wines.It is best taken with a bit of lemonade, salt and pieces of

cut chillies thrown in. If you are from chennai or south indian on a budget it is nice with mirchi bajjis which can be

got at udipi hotels. One need not search for non veg items if your brahmin conscience troubles you.

most students who drink do not hunt for non veg items. they are satisfied with norukku theeni.

if one visits goa one should get familiarised with local cuisine besides enjoying the beaches.

It is not complete without some feni.

Happy new year to you a day in advance.
 
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vaagmiji;
you require more education regarding feni.

It is an organic drink - it is a cashew fruit drink distilled over fire in sealed mud pots. It is very cheap 40-50 a

quarter available in local tavern. it is organic.any goan grand mother will tell you that it has medicinal value and can clear your respiratory

system , besides one does not get a hang over like wines.It is best taken with a bit of lemonade, salt and pieces of

cut chillies thrown in. If you are from chennai or south indian on a budget it is nice with mirchi bajjis which can be

got at udipi hotels. One need not search for non veg items if your brahmin conscience troubles you.

most students who drink do not hunt for non veg items. they are satisfied with norukku theeni.

if one visits goa one should get familiarised with local cuisine besides enjoying the beaches.

It is not complete without some feni.

Happy new year to you a day in advance.

LOL. I enjoy that piece. So you think you know me well. Hmmmm

A humble advice to you. Ask your Goan bartender about coconut feni. Get it and take a few pegs. We can have a discussion about your experience after that. LOL.

Happy new year. Order a cocktail of Bloody Mary and insist on organic tomato juice. And let it be on my account. Please send me the bill. LOL.
 
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