Karmanyae vathi Karasthe

[indianassault]

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How easy or how tough to completely adhere to this? Whatever it may be - food, love,affection,respect ? Do we not have the right at all to expect them back?

 

[renuka]

How easy or how tough to completely adhere to this? Whatever it may be - food, love,affection,respect ? Do we not have the right at all to expect them back?

It is NOT a right...it is just a privilege.

 

[indianassault]

OK I used that word right because the slokam s translation is like " You only have the right to action and not its result/fruit" . We don't have to look for reward or recognition but atleast courtesy??

 

[sangom]

OK I used that word right because the slokam s translation is like " You only have the right to action and not its result/fruit" . We don't have to look for reward or recognition but atleast courtesy??

IMO, the sloka attempts to say that you have control only over your Karma/s and not over the results of such Karma/s. Of course, we can expect results of an anticipated kind, but there is no guarantee for this, in this world. Hope I am clear.

 

[renuka]

OK I used that word right because the slokam s translation is like " You only have the right to action and not its result/fruit" . We don't have to look for reward or recognition but atleast courtesy??

Dear Assault ji,

Ok let me explain.

Karmanye vadhikaraste Ma Phaleshu Kadachana,
Ma Karmaphalaheturbhurma Te Sangostvakarmani


You have the right to work onlybut never to its fruits.
Let not the fruits of action be your motive, nor let your attachment be to inaction. ​

There is something called action and reaction.

Technically none of us ACT..we all REACT.

Everything we do is a reaction to another person's behaviour.

We love someone becos they react favorably to us..so we react by loving the person back and we start to imagine its some great Lovvu!LOL

Likewise we are nice to a person who is nice to us becos the feedback is favorable.

Real 100% action that is NOT based on motive is 0% in us humans.

That is why if you notice in the 2nd half of the verse Lord Krishna uses the word "Hetuh"..which means reason/motive...Lord Krishna is the Supreme Psychologist ..He knows we only react with motive.

Ok lets see now...can we actually preform action that is not based on reaction?

As far as I know its only the Parasympathetic Nervous System like breathing and circulation that can perform action purely not based on reaction.

Most of the time we humans are just reacting to external situations and we wrongly call it action.

We feel sympathy for someone and we help him/her..that is NOT action..that is REACTION.

It has been created by circumstances and nothing more.

Reaction needs an external situation to kick start into play.

If there is no external stimuli..even our mind will be in state of boredom and we become restless.

We are so used to reacting and not acting.

Now..how to ACT?

Criteria to act:


1)Spontaneous

2)No motive

3)Response and feedback does not matter becos external stimuli is not the driving force.




This seems easy to type but almost impossible to practice.

That is why we are asked to dedicate each activity to God..even when we dedicate our deeds to God it stills accounts to reaction becos God is viewed as an external entity..but its by conditioning the mind to not think of one personal involvement.. eventually the state of REACTION is transcended and we can finally preform only ACTION without REACTION.

 

[krish44]

if people acted unilaterally for perceived good without expectations of returns ,they will be happy persons.

many times , returns come to such people due to actions of others at the receiving end of the good action

it is wise to realise people react and not act

only reactions sometimes may not be the desirable reaction

thats the risk of any unilateral action

since return is not expected , any good return is a plus

 

[Naina_Marbus]

IMO, the sloka attempts to say that you have control only over your Karma/s and not over the results of such Karma/s....

This is, imo, the best, proper and probably the correct interpretation, provided the original verse is taken to be: Karmanyeva adhikaraste...

and not as in Post #1 Karmanyae vathi Karasthe
and Post #5 Karmanye vadhikaraste Ma Phaleshu Kadachana,
Ma Karmaphalaheturbhurma Te Sangostvakarmani

 

[a-TB]

How can anyone do anything serious without a plan? Is planning not an expectation of results?
We are also told to take 100% responsibility for all we end up doing and its results

Not sure I understand the explanations

 

[KRN]

It is not that one should not plan ones actions. It is simply an exhortation to do a complete and thorough planning !! To absolutely enjoy the whole process from planning to execution to the results !

When you do this you are no more bogged by the expectation that *Only so-and-so result will make me happy* When you do this Buddhi yoga All kinds of results will appear meritorious to you. So you are no longer bothered by results during the execution phase !

Sri Krishna explains : *Hato Va Prapsyasi Swargam Jitvaa vaa bhokshyase maheem*

If you get killed you end up in Swarga where all kinds of pleasures await you acc to scriptures (Arjuna cant deny this : Himself waxing loud on scriptures in Chapter 1)

If you win the battle - the vast array of earthly pleasures await your consideration.

If you depart to the forest - You will be left to wonder *from where I will get my next meal* - As Sri Krishna says *Sareera yathrapi cha tey na prasiddhyed akarmanah*

If you depart to the forest - your own kinsmen Yudhistira Draupadi etc who reposed faith on you all along - will think bad of you
*yeshaam cha twam bahumatho bhootva yasyasi laghavam*

How can anyone do anything serious without a plan? Is planning not an expectation of results?
We are also told to take 100% responsibility for all we end up doing and its results

Not sure I understand the explanations

 

[a-TB]

It is not that one should not plan ones actions. It is simply an exhortation to do a complete and thorough planning !! To absolutely enjoy the whole process from planning to execution to the results !

When you do this you are no more bogged by the expectation that *Only so-and-so result will make me happy* When you do this Buddhi yoga All kinds of results will appear meritorious to you. So you are no longer bothered by results during the execution phase !

Sri Krishna explains : *Hato Va Prapsyasi Swargam Jitvaa vaa bhokshyase maheem*

If you get killed you end up in Swarga where all kinds of pleasures await you acc to scriptures (Arjuna cant deny this : Himself waxing loud on scriptures in Chapter 1)

If you win the battle - the vast array of earthly pleasures await your consideration.

If you depart to the forest - You will be left to wonder *from where I will get my next meal* - As Sri Krishna says *Sareera yathrapi cha tey na prasiddhyed akarmanah*

If you depart to the forest - your own kinsmen Yudhistira Draupadi etc who reposed faith on you all along - will think bad of you
*yeshaam cha twam bahumatho bhootva yasyasi laghavam*

Thank you, Mr KRN

Part of planning involves defining metrics for success. I am sure Arjuna had his metrics for success in the war. Metrics set specific expectations. How can one not be bothered unless one knows metrics for success for a variety of assumptions .

I am sure there is something worthwhile here, I am not getting it

 

[KRN]

Arjuna was a battle hardened warrior. He did all the planning beforehand. At the start of Gita he tells Krishna to take his chariot right in front so as to take a good look at his victims of the day. Supremely confident. But detachment came to him. Some commentators of the Gita put the blame on Arjuna for this. Actually he went one step ahead of where his brothers remained - the passion for wealth and kingdom. But when the frenzy of Vairagyam came to him suddenly Arjuna was all for dropping all karma altogether. Spiritually he is neither here nor there. He is not in a position to say *I dont care for my livelihood. I have Atmarathi atmatrupti atmasanthushti. I can go to the forest* So K tells him - your planning is not thorough. You will become a hypocrite if you go to forest without planning your future. I will tell you about both paths in detail. At the end if you still think You are able to live in peace in the forest....then decide.

 

[KRN]

So Krishna in this sloka says : Your Vairagyam is good. Hold on to it. Wealth and kingdom indeed cannot give one peace. But while renouncing ur passion for these stuff you are not supposed to renounce the passion for Karma too. Because Karma is the gateway towards the next destination. Only thru relentless Karma will you get into naishkarmyam which will give you the peace you seek. So attach urself to Karma but dont give up this gift you have got - Vairagyam.

 

[KRN]

If Krishna simply wanted to prod Arjuna into battle - all he had to do was to remind Arjuna of all the wrongs he and his brothers and Draupadi suffered. That is the easiest way to stir up feelings - especially in the battlefield Krishna did it many times like when Arjuna was reluctant to kill an unarmed Karna. But in this particular occasion Krishna realized that the Vairagyam of Arjuna made him eligible to receive higher truths.