Khadgamala Meditation

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[sangom]

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Smt. JR,

Was this Thripurasundari allowed to be worshipped by you, by Sri Rama? Just to know please.

 

[JR]

Shri Sangom ji,

I will tell you the truth as it got revealed to me.

TripuraSundari devi a.k.a 'Kamakshi' is none other than 'Gaja Lakshmi' - one of the 8 Lakshmis - but the one who is the giver of ULTIMATE POWER - such as the power held by none other than Devendra (or Obama on earth ).

I know the above sounds blasphemous but that is what I have been informed (and I am being truthful).

Also, the other deity I've been warned not to pray to is Sri Matangi Mahavidya. (I do not know the reasons why).

 

[sangom]

Shri Sangom ji,

I will tell you the truth as it got revealed to me.

TripuraSundari devi a.k.a 'Kamakshi' is none other than 'Gaja Lakshmi' - one of the 8 Lakshmis - but the one who is the giver of ULTIMATE POWER - such as the power held by none other than Devendra (or Obama on earth ).

I know the above sounds blasphemous but that is what I have been informed (and I am being truthful).

Also, the other deity I've been warned not to pray to is Sri Matangi Mahavidya. (I do not know the reasons why).

Thank you for the info., JR ji!

 

[swamiinathan]

I have been reciting 'Sri Matangi Mahavidya' Gayatri Japam ( as per guidance of some spiritual magazine ) for the last few years. After reading JR sir's post, I am bit troubled. Can somebody guide me: Whether to continue or discontinue

 

[JR]

Dear Swaminathan ji,

My experience should not interfere with your sadhana. I'm editing my original post to show this.

Thanks,

JR

PS: I'm not somehow seeing those 'edit' buttons on my previous posts - but I will PM you the reason why I'm not reciting Matangi mantra these days, sir. Thanks.

 

[sangom]

I have been reciting 'Sri Matangi Mahavidya' Gayatri Japam ( as per guidance of some spiritual magazine ) for the last few years. After reading JR sir's post, I am bit troubled. Can somebody guide me: Whether to continue or discontinue

Shri Swamiinathan ji,

Matangi is a Tantric Goddess and more info. about that form of goddess nay be seen here:

Matangi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I don't know whether you are a brahmin or not. But irrespective of that all of us have ceratin systems of worship passed on from generation to generation. It is neither necessary nor advisable to go in for fresh or more forms of gods and their worship and it will always give unfriendly results only, in the end. (It is like having a poisonous snake to guard your house: it will bite you also!) And, when it comes to the worship of Tantric deities like the Mahavidya, or even the "UcchiShTa Ganapathy - another Tantric deity) there is one more risk; one should not abruptly stop such worship because the deity will get displeased and get angry, and will cause great harm when the time comes (i.e., when you pass through a bad period as per your past Karmas). So, I will advise you to consult a good priest or astrologer and find out how the "uccaaDanaM" or exorcising of the mantra effects has to be done.

My own tested method is not to take any magazine/guru/swamiji etc., as authority and stick to the worship pattern followed by your father, grandfather etc.

 

[swamiinathan]

Thanks to JR & Sangom for yr prompt reply. Few years back I had problem & as per an article I started reciting Matangi gayatri. Subsequently I came to know Matangi is a Tantric goddess & Her worship should be done under proper advice/guidance. Anyway till date I had only life's usual ups & downs without any adverse effects.
I request everybody to heed to Sangomji's advice & not be carried away by advice of magazine/guruji/swamiji etc.

 

[SANDHYAV]

மலர்மிசை ஏகினான் மாணடி சேர்ந்தார்
நிலமிசை நீடுவாழ் வார்.​

கலைஞர் உரை:

மலர் போன்ற மனத்தில் நிறைந்தவனைப் பின்பற்றுவோரின் புகழ்வாழ்வு, உலகில் நெடுங்காலம் நிலைத்து நிற்கும்.​

மு.வ உரை:

அன்பரின் அகமாகிய மலரில் வீற்றிருக்கும் கடவுளின் சிறந்த திருவடிகளை பொருந்தி நினைக்கின்றவர், இன்ப உலகில் நிலைத்து வாழ்வார்.​

சாலமன் பாப்பையா உரை:

மனமாகிய மலர்மீது சென்று இருப்பவனாகிய கடவுளின் சிறந்த திருவடிகளை எப்போதும் நினைப்பவர் இப்பூமியில் நெடுங்காலம் வாழ்வர்.​

பரிமேலழகர் உரை:

மலர்மிசை ஏகினான் மாண்அடி சேர்ந்தார் - மலரின் கண்ணே சென்றவனது மாட்சிமைப்பட்ட அடிகளைச் சேர்ந்தார்; நிலமிசை நீடுவாழ்வார் - எல்லா உலகிற்கும் மேலாய வீட்டு உலகின்கண் அழிவின்றி வாழ்வார். (அன்பான் நினைவாரது உள்ளக் கமலத்தின்கண் அவர் நினைந்த வடிவோடு விரைந்து சேறலின் 'ஏகினான்' என இறந்த காலத்தால் கூறினார்; என்னை? "வாராக் காலத்தும் நிகழும் காலத்தும் ஓராங்கு வரூஉம் வினைச் சொற் கிளவி இறந்த காலத்துக் குறிப்பொடு கிளத்தல் விரைந்த பொருள் என்மனார் புலவர்" (தொல், சொல், வினை, 44) என்பது ஓத்தாகலின். இதனைப் 'பூமேல் நடந்தான்' என்பதோர் பெயர்பற்றிப் பிறிதோர் கடவுட்கு ஏற்றுவாரும் உளர். சேர்தல் - இடைவிடாது நினைத்தல்).​

மணக்குடவர் உரை:

மலரின்மேல் நடந்தானது மாட்சிமைப்பட்ட திருவடியைச் சேர்ந்தவரன்றே, நிலத்தின்மேல் நெடுங்காலம் வாழ்வார். 'நிலம்' என்று பொதுப்படக் கூறியவதனான் இவ்வுலகின் கண்ணும் மேலுலகின்கண்ணுமென்று கொள்ளப்படும். தொழுதாற் பயனென்னையென்றாற்கு, போகநுகர்தலும் வீடுபெறலுமென்று கூறுவார் முற்படப் போகநுகர்வாரென்று கூறினர்.​

Translation:

His feet, 'Who o'er the full-blown flower hath past,' who gain In bliss long time shall dwell above this earthly plain.​

Explanation:

They who are united to the glorious feet of Him who occupies swiftly the flower of the mind, shall flourish in the highest of worlds (heaven).​

 

[CHANDRU1849]

It is said that Jainism preaches one way of Atheism.

Many people say Thiruvalluavar was a Samanar (Jain). If that is the case, did he mention God in the above Kural?

 

[biswa]

So is Tantra a bit like black magic or voodoo?

The worship of the Tantric deities seem to be more for personal gain rather than any inclination for the divine.

 

[renuka]

The worship of the Tantric deities seem to be more for personal gain rather than any inclination for the divine.

Isnt that what every worship is all about?

Yagnas too are for personal gain.

Pariharams are also for personal gain.

God is the most exploited Entity in the world!

Since God ="Self"...that means we are only exploiting our "Selves".Its everyone's Sweet Dreams of looking for something.. thinking we are gaining!LOL


I am reminded of this song:

Sweet dreams are made of this
Who am I to disagree
I travel the world and the seven seas
Everybody's looking for something​

 

[renuka]

And, when it comes to the worship of Tantric deities like the Mahavidya, or even the "UcchiShTa Ganapathy - another Tantric deity) there is one more risk; one should not abruptly stop such worship because the deity will get displeased and get angry, and will cause great harm when the time comes (i.e., when you pass through a bad period as per your past Karmas). So, I will advise you to consult a good priest or astrologer and find out how the "uccaaDanaM" or exorcising of the mantra effects has to be done.

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Dear Sangom Ji,

I am a bit confused now reading this.

Elsewhere you are Advaitic and beyond and state that God verily Is(which I fully agree) but at the same time how does this jive with the fact that a deity should be feared and not displeased and consult and astrologer for to rid of the mantra effect.

If God verily Is..then what about Tantric deities? Do they even matter?

 

[sarang]

If God verily Is..then what about Tantric deities? Do they even matter?

1. Sarva deva namaskaram kesavam pratigachchati.
2. I am aware that the king or president can solve all my problems, but I go to the tasildar to get my caste certificate or land patta.
3. My wish or aim is not liberation or swarga, but mundane benefits and goodies.
4. 'aham brahmasmi' is for varattu vedantis and agnostics, but I believe my devi will give me what I want. Vedantins are also believers of a different kind.

 

[renuka]

1. Sarva deva namaskaram kesavam pratigachchati.
2. I am aware that the king or president can solve all my problems, but I go to the tasildar to get my caste certificate or land patta.
3. My wish or aim is not liberation or swarga, but mundane benefits and goodies.
4. 'aham brahmasmi' is for varattu vedantis and agnostics, but I believe my devi will give me what I want. Vedantins are also believers of a different kind.

But for how long can one be wanting 'things" from God or any deity? How will asking and asking help anyone in the long run?

Wont there come a point in life where we do not seek anything and do not seek even Moksha for that matter and just drift in the current of life with the ups and downs of the waves and yet not drown?

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Renu,

Wishes never end! I have seen a few oldies crying in agony to their ishta Deivam, to take them to HIM soon!

So........ seeking His help never ends!

 

[renuka]

Dear Renu,

Wishes never end! I have seen a few oldies crying in agony to their ishta Deivam, to take them to HIM soon!

So........ seeking His help never ends!

Dear RR ji,

After a while any human should "realize" that events happen per dictates of Karma and its up to us to know how to handle it.

Furthermore Lord Krishna had clearly said in the Geeta that those who worship Pitrs go to Pitr Loka and those who worship other deities go the respective Lokas after death..so by asking favors from deities why risk ourselves being in debt to any entity?

So its better to cease praying for gain so that we are debt free..after all the purpose of life is to have a 0 karmic balance.

It is not that those who have everything do not need to ask but its better to have nothing than to be in debt.

 

[biswa]

1. Sarva deva namaskaram kesavam pratigachchati.

Even Kesava seems to have a Tantric Shakti wife: Kamala Mahavidya

Kamala

 

[Vaagmi]

Dear Sangom Ji,

I am a bit confused now reading this.

Elsewhere you are Advaitic and beyond and state that God verily Is(which I fully agree) but at the same time how does this jive with the fact that a deity should be feared and not displeased and consult and astrologer for to rid of the mantra effect.

If God verily Is..then what about Tantric deities? Do they even matter?

renukaji

that is the delusion caused by maya. You should know that better. Lol

 

[renuka]

Dear Vaagmi Ji,

Now I have a question for you.

I have seen many people keep an shrine for Madurai Veeran outside their home and do some small time Pooja for him on and off and place cigars and sometimes some guinness stout and they also hang a whip at the shrine.

Some people also have had dreams where Madurai Veeran had told them to keep a shrine for him.

Now as far as I know Madurai Veeran was a soldier and his one leg was cut off by a King who got mad that Madurai Veeran had fallen in love with a princess.

Some say he lost the leg in some battle.

But the point is if he was a soldier and eventually died..wouldnt he be reborn by now?

So who keeps appearing in dreams of others and also I have heard many instances where people of other religions/races who have never heard of him claim to see a one legged person walking around where the shrine is.

So this is what I cant understand? Didnt Madurai Veeran take re-birth and how come he is omnipresent?

 

[Vaagmi]

Simple.
Para1 and 2 are part of a faith. Not only M.Veeran there are Kaathavarayans and Pattavarayans and sudalais and Pandys too. So there is nothing strange about people offering what they themselves relish most.

The rest is cenema and the impressions it creates.

 

[sangom]

Dear Sangom Ji,

I am a bit confused now reading this.

Elsewhere you are Advaitic and beyond and state that God verily Is(which I fully agree) but at the same time how does this jive with the fact that a deity should be feared and not displeased and consult and astrologer for to rid of the mantra effect.

If God verily Is..then what about Tantric deities? Do they even matter?

Smt. Renuka,

It is a question of how each person regards (perceives, looks at, worships, etc.) the one God which simply is. Tantra looks at god as the culmination of the sexual act or union; in a way, Tantra seeks to equate the orgasmic experience to the self-realization experience, as a first step. Tantra has its own rules. So, when you start practising something which is part of Tantra, which is a set of man-made rules, one has to follow the rules completely and faithfully, because, any kind of worship of god is, in the ultimate analysis, an exercise of the mind; mind creates the god, mind says that the god is pleased if a certain system of worship is done, mind says that the said god will grant you boon, mind says that the said god will come at the appointed time (of death) and take you to his vaikuntha or some other region, and so on.

In the case of Tantric deities, the mind is asked to give shape to gods or deities which are pleased under one set of conditions and are extremely displeased, angry, vengeful, etc., if their worship is discontinued suddenly. Hence, though the ultimate cause may be the mind, the mind-created Tantric deity will take its toll, at some future time. It is to free the mind from such a happening to occur, that the pariharams like visarjana of the mantra (by reciting it thrice in the ear of a cow) and UccADanam of the Tantric deity etc., are advised. I will say that these are like preventives in the medical system.

You may be knowing that science has come very, very close to advaita:

BBC - Earth - Why is there something rather than nothing?

Hope my explanation is satisfactory.

 

[biswa]

Very good explanation Sangomji. Thank you.

 

[renuka]

In the case of Tantric deities, the mind is asked to give shape to gods or deities which are pleased under one set of conditions and are extremely displeased, angry, vengeful, etc., if their worship is discontinued suddenly. Hence, though the ultimate cause may be the mind, the mind-created Tantric deity will take its toll, at some future time. It is to free the mind from such a happening to occur, that the pariharams like visarjana of the mantra (by reciting it thrice in the ear of a cow) and UccADanam of the Tantric deity etc., are advised. I will say that these are like preventives in the medical system.

Dear Sangom ji,

So that means the Tantric Deity is "mind created" and the pariharams are supposed to "remove" the possible "mind created" problems which may occur if the "mind created" worship is discontinued?

Wow this sounds like giving a person a placebo and making him believe that it is a medication that will cure his illness and then when its time to stop the placebo we tell him that we will stop the placebo gradually becos abrupt stoppage will flare up his disease.

The truth is there was no disease to start with..then the placebo was not a medication to start with and sudden stoppage of the placebo would not have flared up a non existent disease but a drama was enacted to divert the mind!

Why dont people actually want to know the truth instead of being led by a roller coaster of "falsehood"?

 

[Vaagmi]

Renukaji
Your last post above hitting the nail hard. LOL.