Love-Jihad : More info.

[sangom]

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Shri Sarang had posted in the thread "Brahmin girls falling trap of love jihadi's and converted to islam." I could not make this post since that thread was closed in the meantime. Now what the Kerala CM reportedly said seems to be an entirely different thing.

http://www.indiaenews.com/pdf/236750.pdf

Links, references and data were given in this thread earlier. Refusal to see is another matter.

This thread was about love-jihad by muslims to entice hindu girls; raising issues about other forms cheating is for obfuscating the serious issue! Like our PM who refuses to acknowledge corruption under his nose! He will not do anything, but will ask everybody else to provide proof. In one unguareded moment former kerala cm talked about the muslim agenda to convert kerala to an islamic state. Is it necessary to provide proof of cm's speech?

The indiaenews seems to have come to a standstill on 16th. December 2009 !

What CM Achuthanandan said seems to be exactly opposite; non-muslim youth being lured and converted and creating more muslims through muslim women - Pl.see here
Kerala CM reignites 'love jihad' theory - Times Of India

 

[padmanabhan_2654]

Of late, we have seen poor families which were struggling about two to three decades ago, are now financially well off because of the support from their sons or daughters who migrate to city areas and get good pay packets by working in Software or BPO Industries.

These working boys or girls in the same industry have plenty of time to get close association and this has led to mixed marriages. The parents are helpless and they somehow come to an amicable settlement as the financial position gets improved.

This is the main reason why there are mixed marriages and conversions due to the compulsion of the community.

There will be nothing to stop this practice and it is up to the individuals to decide their future course.

From a general angle and viewpoint, one can say that the orthodox parents who have brought up their children in a loving atmosphere are helpless to tackle the situation.

The present generation does not believe in the orthodox and traditional way of the parents and parents are left stranded whilst their children enjoy their novel way of life style living. As such age old practices are slowly fading away in all communities.

Well, this is the present day observation and what will happen to their offsprings - nobody knows.

 

[Yamaka]

Of late, we have seen poor families which were struggling about two to three decades ago, are now financially well off because of the support from their sons or daughters who migrate to city areas and get good pay packets by working in Software or BPO Industries.

These working boys or girls in the same industry have plenty of time to get close association and this has led to mixed marriages. The parents are helpless and they somehow come to an amicable settlement as the financial position gets improved.

This is the main reason why there are mixed marriages and conversions due to the compulsion of the community.

There will be nothing to stop this practice and it is up to the individuals to decide their future course.

From a general angle and viewpoint, one can say that the orthodox parents who have brought up their children in a loving atmosphere are helpless to tackle the situation.

The present generation does not believe in the orthodox and traditional way of the parents and parents are left stranded whilst their children enjoy their novel way of life style living. As such age old practices are slowly fading away in all communities.

Well, this is the present day observation and what will happen to their offsprings - nobody knows.

Well.. I believe offsprings will live very well.

The problem is with some of the parents.. they want to control kids and their lives in the name of some perceived TRADITION... if kids don't behave "according to parents' wishes" they moan and groan! It's all parents weakness.

Young adults must be given FREEDOM to choose their associate, friends and their life partners... otherwise, Kids will walk away from parents.

Beware parents... your duty and responsibility ends when the kids are 21 and older!

Stay tuned.

 

[renuka]

Dear Yamaka,

You wrote:

Beware parents... your duty and responsibility ends when the kids are 21 and older!

I fully agree with you.And I will be glad to hand over the key of freedom to my son when he turns 21.
I can only guide him till then.
If he needs my help after 21 I will surely be there and I am also not expecting him to be hovering around me all the while and also dont want a goody two shoes type of daughter in law.
I have seen many who have these goody two shoes types of DILs..they just suck up too much by being too caring and thats really suffocating.

I would not want to bother anyone and neither should anyone bother me.
There is nothing like being a free person not emotionally bonded to anyone.
Cant wait for that day when I can walk a free person.

 

[tbs]

hi
when we are 50+ and children are above 21 yrs.....better more detachment than attachment....otherwise life ending will be very

difficult......we can earn money /relationship upto 50 yrs....after that try slowly move away from money/relationship......including

with spouse/children.....otherwise drastic consequences has to face in sunset of life.......atleast we need some freedom at the

end of the life.....


regards
tbs

 

[nachi naga]

tbs,i am reminded of sankaras bhaja govindam song..nahi nahi rakshati....

 

[renuka]

tbs,i am reminded of sankaras bhaja govindam song..nahi nahi rakshati....

nachi..you know in this stanza in Bhaja Govindam

nárèstanabharanábhèdeùam
døúûvá má gá moháveùam,
etan-mámsavasádi-vikáram
manasi vicintaya váram váram.(3)

Seeing the seductive female form, do not fall prey to frenzied delusion. That (female form) is (but) a modification of flesh and fat. Think well thus in your mind and again and again.


I always wondered why there was no Male equivalent Stanza to warn females about males too!!!

 

[talwan]

I always wondered why there was no Male equivalent Stanza to warn females about males too!!![/QUOTE].

This clearly shows It was a Male Dominant Society which imposed its thinking on women.The other Reason could be whatever told to male is equally applicable to female.
Alwan

 

[sarang]

Shri Sarang had posted in the thread "Brahmin girls falling trap of love jihadi's and converted to islam." I could not make this post since that thread was closed in the meantime. Now what the Kerala CM reportedly said seems to be an entirely different thing.



The indiaenews seems to have come to a standstill on 16th. December 2009 !

What CM Achuthanandan said seems to be exactly opposite; non-muslim youth being lured and converted and creating more muslims through muslim women - Pl.see here
Kerala CM reignites 'love jihad' theory - Times Of India

Good new news. When the police, the court and concerned hindus are talking about hindu girls being lured by muslim boys, cm achu has revealed relatively unknown activity of hindu boys being lured. I had earlier referred to the speech of former cm to the goal of converting kerala to an islamic state by the faithful.

Girls are more vulnerable; it appears boys are falling for the same love tactics.

 

[sarang]

Another case!!! Refusal to accept will land hindus, more so brahmins, in trouble. Brahmins carry a higher reward! Selling the girls's jewellery to meet notary expenses is really shocking.

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Even as the Criminal Investigation Department (CID) is busy with the its investigation of ‘Love Jihad’ cases in the State, one such case has surfaced in Mysore district.[/TD]
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[TD="class: overviewfont, colspan: 2"]K R Nagar police, who were probing into the kidnap of a minor girl from Bherya, have confirmed that the boy had forcibly converted her into Islam.
Sharing the information with the media, Superintendent of Police Ramasubba on Tuesday said the 16-year girl had been kidnapped by Azeem Hafeez (22), son of M Idinabba of Ullal in Dakshina Kannada. Hafeez had been working in a medical store in K R Nagar and was living at his relative’s house in that town. He had befriended the girl with the help of his relative.

After kidnapping the girl, he had forcibly converted her into Islam, before marrying her in Chikmagalur. Also, he had changed her name as ‘Mehek Taj’ besides changing her age to 18 years, according to the affidavit sworn-in before a notary at that place. He had disposed off the jewellery the girl was wearing to meet the expenditure.
The SP said records available with police suggested that Hafeez was connected with a theft at Ullal.

Interrogation revealed that Hafeez intended to dump his minor wife. However, his plans went awry, when cops led by DySP (rural) C D Jagadeesh swooped on him at his Subhash Nagar residence.
Acting on the clues given by Hafeez, police arrested Siddiqui and Hassan Kaka for abetment in the crime. Four others, including Hafeez’s parents, Zareen Taj and Rafeeq are at large. DG and IG Dr Ajai Kumar Singh is appraised of the findings, the SP added.
DH News Service

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[C RAVI]

hi
when we are 50+ and children are above 21 yrs.....better more detachment than attachment....otherwise life ending will be very

difficult......we can earn money /relationship upto 50 yrs....after that try slowly move away from money/relationship......including

with spouse/children.....otherwise drastic consequences has to face in sunset of life.......atleast we need some freedom at the

end of the life.....


regards
tbs

tbs Sir,

Do you mean we should opt for divorce and get seperated after 50+ to have our freedom at our old age/at the end of the life? Or, if not divorce, get away and stay alone for better life of privacy and peace?

Is that your suggestions are applicable for people in America/Western World OR you mean anywhere in general?


Kindly enlighten me. Experienced married people like you may help many to know how to live a better life with utmost satisfactiion for self.

 

[C RAVI]

I always wondered why there was no Male equivalent Stanza to warn females about males too!!!.

This clearly shows It was a Male Dominant Society which imposed its thinking on women.The other Reason could be whatever told to male is equally applicable to female.
Alwan

I dont think it shows it was a Male Dominant Society. Males were warned about femailes (females beauty) because males as per creation were considered sexually week and get indulged for pleasure either without evaluating what is good and what is not or mostly with the sole intention of seeking momentary pleasure.

The same is not the case with females. Females were considered the most refined species with purity of senses, wisdom and chastity. Thus Male equivalent Stanza to warn females about males did not exist.

 

[sangom]

nachi..you know in this stanza in Bhaja Govindam

nárèstanabharanábhèdeùam
døúûvá má gá moháveùam,
etan-mámsavasádi-vikáram
manasi vicintaya váram váram.(3)

Seeing the seductive female form, do not fall prey to frenzied delusion. That (female form) is (but) a modification of flesh and fat. Think well thus in your mind and again and again.


I always wondered why there was no Male equivalent Stanza to warn females about males too!!!

Smt. Renuka,

However much we may talk of gender equality and all that, imo, nature's grand plan is different. The female form is itself seductive for the male at his prime but the reverse is not true, as gathered from reliable sources. Moreover, the male "form" in itself does not normally evoke any sexual responses in the females, I think; it is her "total impression" about the man and is very difficult to gauge. May be you are more knowledgeable on those aspects.

That was why probably the author of Bhajagovindam left out the male seducing the female, or, it could simply have been the result of the Man's world which prevailed then, women being only a covetted possession. See this also.