Name of the Game - Ragam!

[Janaki Jambunathan]

Share:

Facebook X (Twitter) LinkedIn WhatsApp Email Share Link

Hear the following same song by 2 differnt artists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k26X256O0do

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y5cqgg-M3Q

In which Raga Thiagraja created it originally?


This is differnt song by Neyveli I think it perfectly matches with Thiagraja Krithi rendered by Sankaranaryanan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZQI6EdKIBk

But raga named is different!!

Why this anomolies in the names of rgas involved Sudha Hindolam Hindolam and Varamu?

 

[mskmoorthy]

Please see the posts in which Smt. RRji has explained the differences
http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/music-dance/6883-thullatha-manamum-thullum-109.html#post150106


http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/music-dance/6883-thullatha-manamum-thullum-109.html#post150156

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

I am sure the game will be made more confusing or interesting by Dikshidhar calling it by differmt name ! - Has he differnt names for these ragas?

In which Raga Saint created that song?

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Prof. M S K,

Thanks for giving the link for my post about these rAgams.

I noticed the error in my post only now! It is the Dha which differs and not Ni.

Sorry for that mistake in the earlier post.

Now link for M S amma's song does not work. Here is the link which works:

M S S - Manaduloni - Varamu

 

[Raji Ram]

J J Ji,

No added confusion by Sri. Dikshithar. See the lyrics of NeerajAkshi in HindhOLam:

''nIrajAkSi kAmAkSi

Abstracted from: Compositions of Muddusvami Dikshitar by Sangeetha Kalanidhi T. K. Govinda Rao, published in Chennai 1997 (No. 123).

Raga: hindOLam / Tala: rUpakam

P: nIrajAkSi kAmAkSi nIrada cikurE tripurE

A: shAradA ramA nayanE sArasa candrAnanE vArijapAdE varadE tAraya mAm tatvapadE

C: gaurI hindOLa dyuti hIramaNimayAbharaNE

shauri viriHnci vinuta shiva shaktimaya navAvaraNE

nArImaNyAdyarccita nava nAdAntah karaNE

sUrijana samsEvita sundara guruguha karaNE''

Source: Muthuswamy Dikshitar - lyrics

 

[Raji Ram]

Probably Chittoor Subramania Pillai found the rAgam more fascinating by changing D1 of HindhOLam to D2 and named it Suddha HindOLam.

Some artists follow his way of singing. Others stick to the original HindhOLam for the song 'ManasulOni' by Saint Thyagaraja.

Wonder who changed the name to Varamu!!

Let us enjoy the rendition of Priya sisters: Manasuloni - Priya Sisters

 

[Raji Ram]

This is differnt song by Neyveli I think it perfectly matches with Thiagraja Krithi rendered by Sankaranaryanan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZQI6EdKIBk

Sri. Papanasam Sivan is fond of writing new lyrics for tunes of Thyagaraja and this is one example.

Here is an example of similarity in rAgam and lyrics:

uNdEdhi - by Thyagaraja

deivam uNdendru by Sivan

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

It looks like doctors and Josiers 2 mucians may never agree

Listen to this song The raga is Vachaspathi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmW5fX8bNmE

I have heard that this song was in Latangi as comosed by the saint I cheked in the Book by T.S. Parthasarathy It is Latangi again checked in the web It is Latangi Is Vachaspathi and latangi are same?

Thyagaraja Krithi List

Kanta Judumi,Latangi,Adi,Thyagaraja

 

[Raji Ram]

LathAngi and VAchaspathi are different J J Ji.

LathAngi: 63rd mELa rAgam

VAchaspathi: 64th mELa rAgam

At times, musicians change the original rAgam and sing in another one and it gets 'established'. :thumb:

BTW, do you know that the original 'AbEri' (NagumOmu) has suddha daivadham (Dha1)?

'Piththan endrAlum avan pEyan endrAlum' sung by Smt. Sudha is set to traditional AbEri.

But Dha1 changed to Dha2 and every musician sings 'modern' AbEri as AbEri!

Images courtesy - Wiki

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

LathAngi and VAchaspathi are different J J Ji.

LathAngi: 63rd mELa rAgam

VAchaspathi: 64th mELa rAgam

At times, musicians change the original rAgam and sing in another one and it gets 'established'. :thumb:

BTW, do you know that the original 'AbEri' (NagumOmu) has suddha daivadham (Dha1)?

'Piththan endrAlum avan pEyan endrAlum' sung by Smt. Sudha is set to traditional AbEri.

But Dha1 changed to Dha2 and every musician sings 'modern' AbEri as AbEri!

Images courtesy - Wiki[/QUOTE

Is thia acceeptable ! Right tribute to the composer? Should you not strictly stick to letter and (Spirit) ragasudarasam of the original composition?

There was huge hue and cry when Illaya raja did that and established the song!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBagqESVCWU

 

[Raji Ram]

Semmangudi Sri. Srinivasa Iyer used to lament because the songs of Purandara Dasa and Sadhasiva Brahmendra

were sung in different rAgams! No one could establish one rAgam for one lyric! :sad:

Here is an example:

PibarE Ramarasam - Yamuna Kalyani

PibarE Ramarasam - Ahir Bharavi

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

Child"s Play? Yes for this 20 moths old!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGzo2A-CxQ8&app=desktop