Neglect of viswanathan anand - king of chess

[CHANDRU1849]

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nov 16, 2013


central government has announced the highest civilian award

of bharat ratna to sachin tendulkar, who retired from

international cricket today. He is the first sportsman to

receive the award.


While cricket has not crossed more than a dozen countries,

the service to cricket by sachin is beyond comparison, despite

his poor form for the last couple of years.


The sequence of events, indicated that maharashtrians,

including politicians - irrespective party afficiliation, has been

pitching in a single voice for this award to sachin. Whenever

there is an occasion like this, except tamil nadu, all other

states join together and voice their claims.


In tamil nadu, we have a wonderful gentleman sportsman

viswanathan anand, the master of chess. He has won the

world championship five times. Already he received the second

highest civilian award padma vibhushan and first sports person

to receive khel ratna award.



Though chess is a mind game, the mental toughness can be

placed on par with physically tough sports like football,

tennis, athletics etc. Not like cricket (restricted to only

handful of countries), chess has been a predominant sport

in more than 150 countries.



Now, it is time for the tamilians, irrespective politics,caste,

religion etc. Join together and voice our claim for bharat

ratna award to viswanathan anand, which he very richly

deserves.


Tamil nadu govt. Should also write the concerned department

in delhi for this.


Members in this forum also should press for this.



S chandrasekaran

 

[sravna]

Anand has the fourth highest ELO rating in the history of the game and also won the world championship 5 times. He has won the chess oscar given to the best player of the year 6 times. All these are no mean achievements in a game that is played in almost all the countries.

He is undoubtedly one of the greatest players of the game and definitely deserves bharat ratna.

 

[prasad1]

The op is totally off base. You can not compare apples and oranges. Anand and Tendulker are players of different caliber and playing in different sports.
You can not compare Michael Jordan of Basketball with Usain Bolt the sprinter.

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Both are the best in their chosen sports.
If you go round USA & Canada people will know more about Michael than about Usain. Or say about billiards or about snooker.

Wilson Jones'
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I do not see Mr. Chandru crying for them, is it because they were not Tamilian?
Does it mean that every athlete who wins any championship should be given the nations highest honor?
What about Bindra , what about the Indian Hockey teams and various other personality.

World is not always just, award givers are human. They too get biased by people support.
If you asked an average Indian in any town chances are that they know about Tendulker, I would not fancy about that for Anand.

 

[harishiyer]

Support for Bharat Ratna to Vishwanatan Anand

As the world is moving more faster and people irrespective of caste and creed and status are supporting humanity sports is the foremost center to show the country's valor to the world as Sachin Tendulkar has shown to the world through the medium of cricket we all are over whelmed and appreciate with great honor his contribution to the world of sports. Then to say about vishwanathan anand it will be great that both of them deserve the Bharat Ratna Award as both the the gems of the sports world of india and both have equally contributed for the pride of our country through their respective sports. shree swami Samarth.

 

[vgane]

The op is totally off base. .
If you asked an average Indian in any town chances are that they know about Tendulker, I would not fancy about that for Anand.

How about CNR Rao...Is he known to every Tom, Dick and Harry...You cannot decide awards based on popularity...Based on merit Anand deserves the award...Anand put India again on the world chess map which was earlier dominated by Russia!Winning world chess championship 5 times is herculean! I am sure the authorities will see merit in our argument!

 

[sravna]

How about CNR Rao...Is he known to every Tom, Dick and Harry...You cannot decide awards based on popularity...Based on merit Anand deserves the award...Anand put India again on the world chess map which was earlier dominated by Russia!Winning world chess championship 5 times is herculean! I am sure the authorities will see merit in our argument!

Well said. The competition is so much more in Chess. That is not to take away the credit from Sachin.He is a legend too. But my point is Anand deserves the award as much as Sachin does.

 

[sangom]

If every other person like cricketers, chess players, kabaddi players, etc., are to be given Bharat Ratna, then why not give to PT Usha, Milkha Singh, Pataudi and so on - even posthumously?

We will have a country full of "ratnas" (jewels) but mostly artificial stones, then!!

Much hype is being made of sachin and I feel this is all election politics - எத்தெத் தின்னா பித்தம் தெளியும்? (ettet tiṉṉā pittam teḷiyum?) is a proverb which indicates the desperation of UPA. It thinks that Bharat Ratna to sachin may get one or two Parliament seats more from Maharashtra, possibly.

At this rate, really illustrious people of earlier days who were given BR, are being dishonoured.

 

[sravna]

If every other person like cricketers, chess players, kabaddi players, etc., are to be given Bharat Ratna, then why not give to PT Usha, Milkha Singh, Pataudi and so on - even posthumously?

We will have a country full of "ratnas" (jewels) but mostly artificial stones, then!!

Much hype is being made of sachin and I feel this is all election politics - எத்தெத் தின்னா பித்தம் தெளியும்? (ettet tiṉṉā pittam teḷiyum?) is a proverb which indicates the desperation of UPA. It thinks that Bharat Ratna to sachin may get one or two Parliament seats more from Maharashtra, possibly.

At this rate, really illustrious people of earlier days who were given BR, are being dishonoured.

Dear Shri Sangom,

There is politics in this. But the point about Sachin is that he is not yet another great cricketer. He is one of the greatest seen in the game just like Anand. I think the award is merited. Is there any reason to not award Bharat Ratna to sportspersons?

 

[prasad1]

Dear Shri Sangom,

There is politics in this. But the point about Sachin is that he is not yet another great cricketer. He is one of the greatest seen in the game just like Anand. I think the award is merited. Is there any reason to not award Bharat Ratna to sportspersons?

Please read my earlier post:

Wilson Jones'
Wilson Jones' victory in the World Amateur Billiards Championship in 1958 gave India its first world champion in any sport. He won the National Billiards Championship 12 times and the World Billiards Championship twice in his lifetime.

Is Anand's achievement as great as Wilson Jones?

I agree anand deserves our praise and accolades for his achievement. That is about it.

 

[sravna]

Please read my earlier post:



Is Anand's achievement as great as Wilson Jones?

I agree anand deserves our praise and accolades for his achievement. That is about it.

Anand's achievements are definitely great enough for the award. You are talking about a player who has been at the top of the world for so long and in a game that is played in every country.

 

[vgane]

Dear Shri Sangom,

Is there any reason to not award Bharat Ratna to sportspersons?

Sports was not the category earlier..Now with the amendment in rules which will allow recognition of exceptional service or performance in any field of human endeavor almost all the fields are brought under the civilian award ambit

The only barrier for sports and film industry has been broken..May be even artists like Amir khan or Sharukh khan will vie for the award..Now it will open another debate whether such persons are socially relevant or impactful on the society?

 

[sravna]

Sports was not the category earlier..Now with the amendment in rules which will allow recognition of exceptional service or performance in any field of human endeavor almost all the fields are brought under the civilian award ambit

The only barrier for sports and film industry has been broken..May be even artists like Amir khan or Sharukh khan will vie for the award..Now it will open another debate whether such persons are socially relevant or impactful on the society?

Dear Shri Vgane,

As you said the award is given on merit. SRK or Aamir may well contest for the award if they are internationally acclaimed for their talent. I see nothing wrong in that.

 

[B V RAAGHAVAN]

Namaskarams,

I fully support the movement - Bharata Ratna for Vishwanathan Anand - The Chess prodigy.

Anbuden
Adiyen

 

[kunjuppu]

it has to be broad based. not just from tambrams. it will be scuttled or mocked, if we initiate it. let it come naturally. as i am sure, it will.

 

[sangom]

I think our personal likes cannot be the yardstick for an award like BR. It has to be for people who will be remembered in India's history for a very long time for the good work done by them for the country as a whole and for its progress.

I do not think Sachin Tendulkar or any other sports person has done anything for the country's progress; in that case, probably Milkha Singh or Dhyan Chand will deserve the BR much more than this Tendulkar.

The truth is there is a powerful Maharashtrian (Brahmin) vested interest in Indian cricket. That is why Lata Mangeshkar is also singing paeans of Sachin. When we say that we tabras do no longer hold parochial views why should we extol sachin or grumble about Vishwanathan? After all, most of our Aam Aadmis are not concerned, nor do they know about chess.

 

[sravna]

I think our personal likes cannot be the yardstick for an award like BR. It has to be for people who will be remembered in India's history for a very long time for the good work done by them for the country as a whole and for its progress.

I do not think Sachin Tendulkar or any other sports person has done anything for the country's progress; in that case, probably Milkha Singh or Dhyan Chand will deserve the BR much more than this Tendulkar.

The truth is there is a powerful Maharashtrian (Brahmin) vested interest in Indian cricket. That is why Lata Mangeshkar is also singing paeans of Sachin. When we say that we tabras do no longer hold parochial views why should we extol sachin or grumble about Vishwanathan? After all, most of our Aam Aadmis are not concerned, nor do they know about chess.

Dear Shri Sangom,

The need for progress itself is to create happiness and harmony in the society. The area of sports contributes to that by giving enjoyment to people whenever any sporting event is watched. If we excel in a particular sports it is also improves the image of the country and gives us pride and happiness. So we cannot dismiss the contribution of sportsperson as not important enough for BR.

 

[renuka]

Dear Sravna,

If you ask the average person in India or the Indian outside India..everyone would have heard about Sachin Tendulkar.

But try asking anyone about Vishwanathan Anand and many will say 'Who is that?"

BTW he is not the "King" of Chess..that honour goes to Surphanaka(sister of Ravan) who invented Chess..so she is the "King" of Chess.

 

[sravna]

Dear Sravna,

If you ask the average person in India or the Indian outside India..everyone would have heard about Sachin Tendulkar.

But try asking anyone about Vishwanathan Anand and many will say 'Who is that?"

BTW he is not the "King" of Chess..that honour goes to Surphanaka(sister of Ravan) who invented Chess..so she is the "King" of Chess.

Dear Renuka,

I get your point.But Sachin is an exceptional case in India because India such a cricket crazy nation. So Sachin should not be the yard stick. In fact by honoring Anand and similar people in other sports we can help in developing the interest in other sports also in addition to recognizing exceptional merit.

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

I get your point.But Sachin is an exceptional case in India because India such a cricket crazy nation. So Sachin should not be the yard stick. In fact by honoring Anand and similar people in other sports we can help in developing the interest in other sports also in addition to recognizing exceptional merit.

BTW Viswanath Anand hasnt retired yet isn't it?

So let him retire and then confer the Bharat Ratna..I think that is better cos you see if he is still actively playing chess and gets a Bharat Ratna and then loses out to anyone else..the head lines would be 'Bharat Ratna Anand Check Mated"


So it is always better to retire while still in glory and then be conferred the award so that the person is remembered for his glory and the dignity of the award too is maintained.

 

[renuka]

BTW I wonder if Anand was not a TB..would this thread had even been started??

Just curious!LOL


BTW I feel Kamal Hassan should be given a Bharat Ratna for his contribution to the Cine World.

 

[prasad1]

BTW I wonder if Anand was not a TB..would this thread had even been started??

Just curious!LOL


BTW I feel Kamal Hassan should be given a Bharat Ratna for his contribution to the Cine World.

You are so right, I did raise this point in my earlier post.

 

[vgane]

Anand's octogenarian father Viswanathan Iyer has to say this:

Quote

The chat drifts to the topic of Sachin Tendulkar getting Bharat Ratna and Viswanathan doesn't hide a sense of disappointment. "Anand has done as much as Sachin. The government needs an event like Sachin's farewell to give the award to a sportsman," he quipped. But Viswanthan isn't exactly worried whether his son will ever get the highest civilian award in the country. "If Anand gets it, we will say 'thanks'. If not, it's ok. We don't really think much about it," Viswanathan says.

Unquote

Flicker of hope in Anand household - The Times of India

 

[CHANDRU1849]

Nov 18, 2013


sachin is also not the king of 'cricket' if the same yardstick is applied.

His average in test cricket well below the greatest crickter of all time

don bradman and in one dayers well below ponting; less than 50 per one day.

His performance in the last two years has been very ordinary.

When ganguly led the indian team, once he made a remark about tendulkar as

'tourist' as his performance was not upto the level at that time.

If popularity is the yardstick, then amitabh, srk, dhoni, rajnikanth, madhuri

dixit are popular than sachin.


Since maharashtra lobby is more powerful, he got it. He might have been asked

to retire from test cricket and assured the award.


S chandrasekaran

 

[CHANDRU1849]

Nov 18, 2013

your reply is very interesting. Everybody knows cricket and chess are

different sports. Though chess is a mind game, the mental stress and strains are

more compared to physical strains in cricket.


The sports persons you referred belong to usa and jamaica and there is no

br award given there.


If popularity is the yardstick, politicians and film personalities are more

popular than sachin. One of the major indicator of popularity is tv ads.

Due to his poor performance, of late, he was not seen frequently in ads and the

place is taken over by dhoni, kohli etc.



If achievements are the yardstick, then sachin's performance in the last two

years has been very ordinary. He scored his 100th century against bangladesh

after lot of desperation.


Cricket is being played in only handful of countries, more particularly in

asian sub-continent, not like chess which is being played in more than

150 countries.


In the last couple of years, sachin has become more statistics oriented

instead of performance oriented, which reflected in his poor showing.


Of course, i am not against sachin getting br, but other indian sports persons,

representing the events, which are more popular than cricket and more

international appeal, should also be considered if the achievements are

noteworty.


Achievements should also be considered, taking into account international

popularity and not confined only to domestic circle.


S chandrasekaran

 

[vgane]

Support for Vishy Anand from Barua!

'Anand also deserved Bharat Ratna' - Rediff.com Sports