Of Kammas And Reddys

[krish44]

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Kammas and Reddys have always been in competition for control of land resources.

The fight between Andhra and Telengana is basically rooted in rivalry over ownership of land in telengana and rayalaseema.

Kammas who were prominent owners of fertile land in coastal andhra tried using their surplus money from agriculture in coastal areas to buy up lands in

telengana displacing the local reddys.

Reddys enjoyed political power as they were in congress .

When kammas got the power thru NTR and his son in law, they started asserting themselves in telengana through TDP.

The rivalry extended to film making, industries besides land.

As for the poor belonging to lower castes, they were equally badly treated by both reddys and kammas as they were bonded labourers in farms and workers in

factories

Many joined marxist groups and got branded as naaxalites and ruthlessly crushed by both congress and TDP . They fled to other states mostly.

Ultimately it is only the caste that counts and not class.

Even in tamilnadu ,kammas are active in textile business in coimbotore and other places employing mostly girls who they think are safe to be managed.

They own lands and educational institutions.They keep a low profile unlike the AP counterparts. Reddiers in tamilnadu are also equally prominent and also land

owning.

I understand even in US ,kammas and reddys have different cultural associations.

If brahmins have to do well , they need to own large tracts of land if they are to be a force.

Most of them are selling their marginal holdings in villages and migrating to cities or going out of state.

This can be reversed only if overseas tamil brahmins buy land or urban housing in selected pockets .

land alone can give brahmins economic clout .

 

[sangom]

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If brahmins have to do well , they need to own large tracts of land if they are to be a force.

Most of them are selling their marginal holdings in villages and migrating to cities or going out of state. This can be reversed only if overseas tamil brahmins buy land or urban housing in selected pockets .
land alone can give brahmins economic clout .

land alone is not sufficient; there ought to be the culture of looking after agriculture and doing hard work under sun or rain, till the crops are harvested. Brahmins as a caste do not have this ability, imho. Hence, brahmins will have to look for capable people like these Sardarjis to do all the slogging and then the sardarji will claim the lion's share of the crop!

Are brahmin youth prepared to really learn agriculture and practice it?

 

[vgane]

Are brahmin youth prepared to really learn agriculture and practice it?

Dear Sangomji,

There is no substitute for hard work....We have to choose the right business, put in the right strategy (as these Sardars have done) and be at it (day & night)..Then our next 10 generations need not worry about the future!

 

[krish44]

land alone is not sufficient; there ought to be the culture of looking after agriculture and doing hard work under sun or rain, till the crops are harvested. Brahmins as a caste do not have this ability, imho. Hence, brahmins will have to look for capable people like these Sardarjis to do all the slogging and then the sardarji will claim the lion's share of the crop!

Are brahmin youth prepared to really learn agriculture and practice it?

I have posted in another thread 'sunday reflections' about my brahmin relative over 70 years old taking to agriculture in water starved dharmapuri district , digging

borewells, undertaking drip irrigation besides having cattle . He has accumulated a large parcel of land which is contiguous. He stays on the farm with his family. He

employs about 7 to 8 local boys to help him undertake farming. He is doing well for himself.

There is no particular reason that others cannot do the same.

It requires only a mindset to achieve against odds.

 

[B V RAAGHAVAN]

Namaskarams,

In the case of Sardarjis of Dharmapuri district, they work alongwith the workforce in the field. The brahmins do not have that mind set and also the force. They can anyway depend on the workforce to help them. Brahmins can do only the white collar works such as Accountant, IT Manager etc. Hard work is not in the bloods of Brahmins.

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[CHANDRU1849]

Hence, brahmins will have to look for capable people like these Sardarjis to do all the slogging and then the sardarji will claim the lion's share of the crop!

A very good job in hand for Smarthas, instead of toiling in land. To become Bhagavathas. Keeps a PRO, does some chorus singing, has followers and pockets the money. Easy job. LOL

Majority of Thanjavur District Smarthas gave up agriculture and go for employment.

 

[krish44]

I do not understand this attitude that hard physical work is not possible for brahmins.Also they are fit only for white collar jobs.

They might have preferred these in the past.

In changing times, there needs to be a change in mindset.

If a job has a physical work component one can always hire such people who can do it.

Brahmins can plan and execute any project.

If they can be construction managers for large civil engg projects in dubai, Agriculture projects must be very simple to manage for them.

Only agriculture is looked down upon.

There is big money to be made for a person with right attitude with exposure to technology and internet even in agriculture.

 

[sangom]

I have posted in another thread 'sunday reflections' about my brahmin relative over 70 years old taking to agriculture in water starved dharmapuri district , digging

borewells, undertaking drip irrigation besides having cattle . He has accumulated a large parcel of land which is contiguous. He stays on the farm with his family. He

employs about 7 to 8 local boys to help him undertake farming. He is doing well for himself.

There is no particular reason that others cannot do the same.

It requires only a mindset to achieve against odds.

"to help him undertake farming" is the catchword, I feel. While I do not know about the sardarjis of Ramanathapuram, usually most sardarjis are hardworking and for many generations they had been so. But AFA brahmins are concerned, we people will surely fall sick after one or two days of morning to evening work with farm implements. This 70 year old relative may be a lucky, one-off individual who has the physical strength, but most likely he is only "supervising" (without any hard work himself) the work of the 7 or 8 local boys. Imagine these local boys stop, will this old man's children, wife, daughters- and sons-in-law etc., will come forward to fill the gap so created? I am sure none of our present generation tabra girls will even give any helping hand in agricultural operations.

This unsuitability as a people, for doing agriculture, was what precisely made our previous generations to quit their absentee-landlord type of farming, sell those lands for whatever they could get and migrate to the cities in pursuit of government (white collar) jobs. Brahmins are not good even for blue collar jobs. Our adherence to the brahministic ways of living (or at least our inner yearning to live so and thus die as "good" brahmins!) comes in the way of most blue-collared jobs with rotating shifts, irregular sleeping time, waking up throughout the night, etc. Added to these, in many blue collar jobs very heavy manual work is absolutely necessary for which our vegetarian diet will ill fit and we will get TB very soon. For example, how many brahmins go to the gulf countries, Saudi arabia etc., and do manual labour there? Very, very few. Of course, some brahmins used to join the army even in those british days, much against the wishes of their abjectly poor parents' wishes because they knew they would have no hope for the future if they continued without venturing into such an adventurous path. Many of them worked not as jawans but as cooks and personal attendants, however.

In short, brahmins are by their genes, "hothouse plants", and to realize this essential weakness of ours will be the first step in knowing our strength.

 

[krish44]

"to help him undertake farming" is the catchword, I feel. While I do not know about the sardarjis of Ramanathapuram, usually most sardarjis are hardworking and for many generations they had been so. But AFA brahmins are concerned, we people will surely fall sick after one or two days of morning to evening work with farm implements. This 70 year old relative may be a lucky, one-off individual who has the physical strength, but most likely he is only "supervising" (without any hard work himself) the work of the 7 or 8 local boys. Imagine these local boys stop, will this old man's children, wife, daughters- and sons-in-law etc., will come forward to fill the gap so created? I am sure none of our present generation tabra girls will even give any helping hand in agricultural operations.

This unsuitability as a people, for doing agriculture, was what precisely made our previous generations to quit their absentee-landlord type of farming, sell those lands for whatever they could get and migrate to the cities in pursuit of government (white collar) jobs. Brahmins are not good even for blue collar jobs. Our adherence to the brahministic ways of living (or at least our inner yearning to live so and thus die as "good" brahmins!) comes in the way of most blue-collared jobs with rotating shifts, irregular sleeping time, waking up throughout the night, etc. Added to these, in many blue collar jobs very heavy manual work is absolutely necessary for which our vegetarian diet will ill fit and we will get TB very soon. For example, how many brahmins go to the gulf countries, Saudi arabia etc., and do manual labour there? Very, very few. Of course, some brahmins used to join the army even in those british days, much against the wishes of their abjectly poor parents' wishes because they knew they would have no hope for the future if they continued without venturing into such an adventurous path. Many of them worked not as jawans but as cooks and personal attendants, however.

In short, brahmins are by their genes, "hothouse plants", and to realize this essential weakness of ours will be the first step in knowing our strength.

My relative is lucky. He knows farming he was a VAO in the village and exposed to life in a village .Though well educated, He does not like to leave his village. His wife

helps him to manage labour and cattle. Even if he goes to town for a trip , he returns as soon as possible to his home in the farm where he has a huge mansion with all

modern facilities including AC ,frig ,TV etc.He deliberately quit his agraharam to move into the farm . He with a large land holding is far better off than most of us who

have retired from govt jobs .His next generation like other urban families prefer metros and foreign countries. He frequently visits them.

I see your point that brahmins might consider themselves unsuitable for farming. But if they can manage large construction projects as engineers why not farms. They

can employ suitable people always for manual work

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[GNANA SUNYAM]

Namaskarams,

...... Brahmins can do only the white collar works such as Accountant, IT Manager etc. Hard work is not in the bloods of Brahmins.

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Why sir?