Pill and BP

[Iyyarooraan]

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A new study tells that popping of pills does not help people in pre-hypertension bracket (120-139 and 80 to 89). Along side somebody has agreed to this saying it is all manipulated by the pharma cos. It is not clear whether the pills do not work or there are other reasons for high rate of heart attacks.

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

Mostly it is due the negligence and lack of awareness in the people.

"IT will always happen ONLY to other people and NEVER to me attitude" is prevalent.

One section of the population is willing to get its B.P checked up

on an hourly basis and ECG taken on daily basis...

while another section never gets these checked.

Highly salted food items like pickles and papads form additional causes.

The tension of the modern living the hurry and worry add up to the already existing curry.

My first cousin died last month due to massive heart attack. He was a top executive in a Bank

His daughter just graduated as M.D.

He was hale and healthy ( or so it appeared) until the bolt from the blue hit us.

One can never be too careful. :nod:

 

[Amirtha]

A new study tells that popping of pills does not help people in pre-hypertension bracket (120-139 and 80 to 89). Along side somebody has agreed to this saying it is all manipulated by the pharma cos. It is not clear whether the pills do not work or there are other reasons for high rate of heart attacks.

Shri Iyyarooraan

Most of the medication have desireable and undesireable effect. Medication are there only to minimise the harm for one particular cause. No matter how much research has been done on one particular drug, still people are going to have side effect, some time it will a catastrophic one too. The best way to recue BP is, control with loosing weight, especially abdominal or visceral fat, exercise and diet. If you have time listen to Dr Dean Ornish please.

Regards
Amirtha

 

[tbs]

hi
simple life....especially in middle age....keep positive thinking....regular body exercises.....avoid medication as much as possible....

meditation....listen to ur body/mind....doing regular volunteer and cheerful....these can be possible....everything comes with

expiry date......including our physical body.....so manufacturing and expiry date our body not in our hand... life is not custom made..

prepare every day for our death.....pray regularly.....

 

[renuka]

hi
simple life....especially in middle age....keep positive thinking....regular body exercises.....avoid medication as much as possible....

meditation....listen to ur body/mind....doing regular volunteer and cheerful....these can be possible....everything comes with

expiry date......including our physical body.....so manufacturing and expiry date our body not in our hand... life is not custom made..

prepare every day for our death.....pray regularly.....

Well said..

Just now I had a patient who was feeling tensed and stressed up cos her daughter's marriage ended in divorce a few years ago and she is afraid that the same thing might occur if she gets her daughter remarried.

She was telling me "doc how do I know if the second marriage will work out and I am also too tensed to see her unmarried..I can not relax and sleep at all"

I knew that for such a patient medication won't work so I told her

"all of us human will face death one day but do we fear death on daily basis?
we still go to sleep daily with the confidence that we will see sunrise the next morning..so stop thinking of worst case scenario and start looking for a groom for your daughter"

She took my advise and left.

 

[vgane]

Diabetes, hypertension and heart attack are all of 3 corners of the life triangle...Each has an adversarial impact on the other...Root cause of the 3 is also intertwined

Each of us keep popping up some pill or the other leave our destiny to the doctor..

It is better if we can take control of our own lives by taking some proactive steps to reduce the impact-such as doing exercises, doing pranayam, having morning walk, weight control through strict dietary control etc...

Let us manage ourselves to the best of our ability & incase there is an ailment let us look up to the doctor

 

[renuka]

Diabetes, hypertension and heart attack are all of 3 corners of the life triangle...Each has an adversarial impact on the other...Root cause of the 3 is also intertwined

Each of us keep pooping up some pill or the other leave our destiny to the doctor..

It is better if we can take control of our own lives by taking some proactive steps to reduce the impact-such as doing exercises, doing pranayam, having morning walk, weight control through strict dietary control etc...

Let us manage ourselves to the best of our ability & incase there is an ailment let us look up to the doctor

Well said..you know I keep saying this to my patients too and they wonder why I just don't make them pop some pill.

People want easy way out in life..they feel if they pop some pill they can still go about eating anything under the sun!

Most people have very poor ability to control food cravings and are too lazy to make lifestyle modifications.

 

[manoharkumar]

Dear Renuka Maam,

I am reminded of a friend who use to taunt saying " one should taste everything under the sun, Khoon kaane ka, masti karne ka, bakich bagwaan pe chodne ka!! Silly guy was so good in every thing like singing, photography etc, faded away one morning at the dining table while taking Breakfast, due to massive HA. Beautiful life just wasted away. Good that you are not the money minting doctors one comes across everyday!! Cheers to u!!

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka Maam,

I am reminded of a friend who use to taunt saying " one should taste everything under the sun, Khoon kaane ka, masti karne ka, bakich bagwaan pe chodne ka!! Silly guy was so good in every thing like singing, photography etc, faded away one morning at the dining table while taking Breakfast, due to massive HA. Beautiful life just wasted away. Good that you are not the money minting doctors one comes across everyday!! Cheers to u!!

Dear sir,

We have been trained to give patients a trial of diet control and exercise before starting them on medication.

It is much better to instill discipline in patients by these methods and if it fails only then medication will be given but diet and lifestyle modifications will still be advocated.

I usually do not really worry about money.
Money is just the reaction to our work..so why worry too much.

 

[Raji Ram]

............ Most people have very poor ability to control food cravings and are too lazy to make lifestyle modifications.

Where there's a will, there's a way!

Where there's a pill, there's a pay!!

My father, a general medical practitioner, used to say this often. :thumb:

 

[Raghy]

Dear Sri. Manohar Kumar, Greetings.

I am reminded of a friend who use to taunt saying " one should taste everything under the sun, Khoon kaane ka, masti karne ka, bakich bagwaan pe chodne ka!! Silly guy was so good in every thing like singing, photography etc, faded away one morning at the dining table while taking Breakfast, due to massive HA.

What a nice way to live and the nicer way to go! I don't mind going like that anyday.

Cheers!

 

[manoharkumar]

Dear Raghy Sir,

I know. i am reminded of my friend whenever i read any of your bindaas postings... that way you are closer to my heart !! Long way to go before you sleep...picture tho abhi baaki hai dost!!! Three Cheers for that!!

 

[Iyyarooraan]

Shri Iyyarooraan

Most of the medication have desireable and undesireable effect. Medication are there only to minimise the harm for one particular cause. No matter how much research has been done on one particular drug, still people are going to have side effect, some time it will a catastrophic one too. The best way to recue BP is, control with loosing weight, especially abdominal or visceral fat, exercise and diet. If you have time listen to Dr Dean Ornish please.

Regards
Amirtha

I think the GP/your family doctor can do some permissible exercise. They have little time to study the individual tendency of each patient. I have a doubt whether we have any organised study or observation system to perfect the medicine system. As VR madam says, our own people do not have respect for the medicine system. Nor can doctors be too prying so to say. People show pride in visiting or consulting doctors but otherwise they are hurt like the queue jumpers in following the procedure. I think education has not made the right impact.

 

[Brahmanyan]

Dr.V.Chokkalingam is a Chennai-based cardiologist. He comes on T.V. every Monday morning to discuss and clear doubts from viewers on matters relating to Heart ailments. In his article "Your heart is in your hands" published by "The Hindu" on world health day (Sept,24,2011) he says " The only permanent remedy is by effective and positive lifestyle modification". He gives the following steps to be followed for healthy heart.


Steps to a healthy heart

A positive attitude with a balanced approach to life
Avoid mental stress and strain
Eat a healthy balanced diet. Include at least five servings of fruits and vegetables a day
Avoid saturated fats and transfats
Regular aerobic exercise of 30 minutes a day
Regular meditation of 20 minutes a day
Maintain optimal body weight. Avoid abdominal obesity
Avoid excess salt to maintain normal blood pressure
Avoid tobacco in all forms including passive smoking
Avoid alcohol
Include physical activity in your daily schedule. Cycle to work if possible, take the stairs, go for a walk during lunch breaks.
"Prevent heart disease with positive thinking, healthy eating and adequate exercise."

Full Article is available in the following URL:

The Hindu : Arts / Magazine : Your heart is in your hands

Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

 

[Raghy]

Greetings.

Regular intake of beetroot juice helps reduce blood pressure amoung other benefits.

http://www.ausport.gov.au/__data/as...root_juice_Nitrate_11-_website_fact_sheet.pdf

Cheers!

 

[sarang]

Excerpt from a forwarded message regarding salt and BP:

"*STRESS RELIEF. Is salt bad for
hypertension?
*What is bad for hypertension is iodized salt, which is a fake salt. It is
made up of only 3 synthetic chemicals, sodium, chloride, iodine. It does
not melt in water (glistens like diamonds), does NOT melt in the body, does
not melt in the kidneys, gives kidney stones, and raises blood pressure.
However, it is the salt favoured by the drug-based doctors who say it is
very clean and sanitary, pointing to how white it is and how it glistens
like diamonds. The fake salt is man-made in a factory

*The true salt, which comes from the sea and dried under the sun and
commonly called rock salt , has 72 natural minerals including natural
sodium, chloride, iodine. It melts in water, melts in your body, melts in
the kidneys, does not give kidney stones, and best of all, brings down
blood pressure and stops/prevents muscle cramps, numbness,
tingling.
*If you get muscle cramps in the lower legs at night, just take a half
teaspoon of rock salt and a glass of water, and the cramps with its
horrific pain will be gone in 5 minutes."

 

[sarang]

Based on narrow focused studies, many unnecessary and even dangerous practices are made compulsory without studying long term effects.

1. Mass vaccination of babies and children. I believe, it is discontinued in the west; we too will follow soon.

2. Compulsory addition of fluoride in tooth paste. This is also on the decline now.

3. Iodised salt; this fad will also go away soon.

Pharma companies and the researchers are taking the entire population for a ride. We will all be better off with natural and slightly contaminated goods and services than clinically clean food and environment. Our bodies will lose all fighting spirit and resources and will become victims for even minor infections.

Mass compulsory medication is a bane.

 

[Amirtha]

Some dietary recommendations for controlling Bp.

Kind Reagds

 

[Raghy]

Some dietary recommendations for controlling Bp.

Kind Reagds

Sowbagyavathy Amirtha, Greetings.

Thanks for the valuable information.

[FONT=&quot]COMPREHENSIVE DIETARY MODIFICATION[/FONT][FONT=&quot] — Several studies have looked at the efficacy of comprehensive dietary modification [3]. In one, antihypertensive therapy was discontinued in patients who had been well-controlled for two or more years [4]. The patients were then randomized into two groups: one maintained on a relatively standard diet and one on a diet that stressed salt restriction, weight reduction, and avoidance of excess alcohol intake. At four years, hypertension had recurred in over 90 percent in the control group but in only 60 percent with dietary intervention with evidence of a plateau between the third and fourth years (figure 1).

That was quite good, comprehensive study. Thanks for posting that.

Cheers!
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[guruvayurappan]

dear sir !
you post is timely and all should think of it . we used to quench our thirst just picking water with our hands in river or lake. but due to pollution of river by the tannery and textile mills as well as join ing our drainage to the river ,we are not in a position to do the same now.our kids are carrying water bottle to school and get cold &fever when consuming the water kept in school .virus affect more sophisticated/caring persons.
guruvayurappan

 

[sangom]

The problem is "what is hypertension?". One aged Cardiologist (75+) with a very good reputation once told me that 50 years ago a BP reading of 150-100 was not considered as alarming even for 45+ people. But when more and more drugs were invented for controlling (reducing, that is) BP, the drug companies set about claiming that 140-90 was the limit and cases above this should be treated. Over time this 140-100 has now come down to 120-80. He (the cardiologist, that is) joked that some years from now, the norm may be lowered to 110-70 and so on!

My family doctor says that we should not merely rely on the BP apparatus (with mercury) readings since a deaf doctor/nurse is likely to record a higher BP. We should try to use the digital (aneroid) sphygmomanometer and/or only if two or three BP readings show consistent high values and the patient has other symptoms associated with hypertension, should medication be started. In between an ECG can be taken to judge whether the patient has any serious heart condition as such.

In my case, despite medication, the readings (on conventional mercury instruments) does not come down below 150-100 but increasing the dosage does not have any effect.

 

[Iyyarooraan]

Sangom Sir - Greetings. Long time no see. Thanks for being with us. God bless you.