Tharpanam

[balachandran]

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Dear Learned Members,

I have a lot of confusion in doing "tharpanam" viz. monthly or "amawasya" or 'mahalayam'

1) All say tharpanam should be done after 'mathyaniham'. However, if the month beginning or amawasya comes late evening can we do it before that.

2) However, in case of 'grahana' tharpanam, it can be done even if it in the midnight. - If the grahana tharpanam can be done exactly at that time, why not monthly or amawaysa should not be done exactly at that time.

3) In monthly tharpanam, it was told that for 'utharayam' it is after month is born and in case of 'dakshayanam' months, it is before the month beginning Panchankam also mentions the same accordingly.

4) It was told that one should not perform any puja before performing the tharpanam. One should not wear anything on forehead (like vibhuthi or chandam) till tharpanam is completed. However, sandhyavandanam should be done as per the timings. Under the circumstances, should we apply vibhudi or chandanam while performing sandyavandanam or not during this tharpanam days.

I understand that for the practical convenience some exceptions are given in our religion. But, I want what exactly should be the rule to be followed without going into the details exemptions or exceptions.

Request the members to explain, if possible, with sastra/vedic quotes as I would like to follow as far as possible correctly.
With kind regards
Balachandran

 

[nannilam_balasubramanian]

[h=3][FONT=verdana, sans-serif]சடங்கின் போது, ஏன் பூணூலை இடம், வலம் தோள்களில் மாற்றிக்கொண்டே இருக்கிறோம்? - மஹா பெரியவா[/FONT][/h]

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[/FONT] [FONT=verdana, sans-serif]தெய்வ காரியங்களுக்கு பக்தி வேண்டும். பித்ரு காரியங்களுக்கு சிரத்தை வேண்டும். பக்தியோடு செய்வது யக்ஞம் ; சிரத்தையோடு செய்வது சிராத்தம். தெய்வகாரியங்களைப் பண்ணும்போது சிகையை நன்றாக முடிந்து கொண்டு, யக்ஞோபவீதம் (பூணூல்) இடது தோளில் இருக்கும்படியாக, சிரத்தையோடு செய்ய வேண்டும்.

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[FONT=verdana, sans-serif]இதற்காகத்தான் சிகை, யக்ஞோபவீதம் இரண்டும் இருக்கின்றன. சந்நியாசிகளுக்கு இவை இரண்டும் இல்லை. பித்ரு காரியத்தையும், பல தேவதைகளின் உபாஸனையையும் விட்டுவிட்டு, நேரே பரமாத்ம உபாஸனையை எந்தவிதமான லௌகிக அபே¬க்ஷயும் இன்றிச் செய்பவர்கள் அவர்கள். நேராகவே கடவுளிடம் போகிற பிற மதஸ்தர்களுக்கும் சிகை, யக்ஞோபவீதம் இல்லை.[/FONT]
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[FONT=verdana, sans-serif]ஏன் இப்படித் தேவர்களுக்கு இடது தோளில் பூணூலோடும், பித்ருக்களுக்கு வலது தோளில் பூணூலோடும் காரியம் பண்ணி வேண்டும் என்று சொல்கிறேன்:[/FONT]
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[FONT=verdana, sans-serif]கிழக்கு முகமாக இருந்து கொண்டே காரியங்களைச் செய்ய வேண்டும். வடக்கு தேவர்களிடம் போகிற திசை, உத்தராயனம் என்பது அதுதான். உத்தரம் என்றால் வடக்கு. தெற்குதான் பித்ருக்கள் இருக்கும் பக்கம். ' தென்புலத்தார் ' என்று திருவள்ளுவர்கூடச் சொல்கிறாரல்லவா ? தக்ஷிணம் என்றால் தெற்கு. தக்ஷிணாயனம் என்பது பித்ரு லோக மார்க்கம்..... ' உத்தராயணம் ' என்பதில் மூன்று சுழி ' ண ' போட்டும், ' தக்ஷிணாயனம் ' என்னும்போது இரண்டு சுழி ' ன ' என்பது ' ண ' வாக மாறிவிடும். இது வியாகரண விதி. தற்காலத்தில் மனம் போனபடி பத்திரிகைகளில் எழுதுவதால் இதைச் சொல்ல நேர்ந்தது.[/FONT]
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அதனால்தான், தேவ காரியங்களில் பூணூல் இடது தோள்மேல் இருக்க வேண்டும் என்பது.[/FONT]

 

[sangom]

Dear Learned Members,

I have a lot of confusion in doing "tharpanam" viz. monthly or "amawasya" or 'mahalayam'

Dear Shri Balachandran,

I will try to answer your doubts, item-wise, to the best of my knowledge.

But, as a prelude, please be aware that today, and that too among the urban tabras, this Tarpanam has become just a mere show and nothing more. You will find many tabras in silk "mayilkaN vEshTi & angavastram" going to some temple/hall/mandapam etc., very early in the mornings of Amavasya days and first days of the Tamil months, etc. A much smaller number, mostly consisting of senior citizens will march on grahanatarpanam days. As regards "mahalayam" many people have stopped doing this and only a microscopic minority perform this nowadays.

1) All say tharpanam should be done after 'mathyaniham'. However, if the month beginning or amawasya comes late evening can we do it before that.

The belief in the olden days, when I was young, was that the period of the day up to the high noon (when the sun is at the zenith) is the time to do Devapoojas, and the afternoons are for the pitrus. So, in the old state of Travancore, I am told that brahmins enjoyed a holiday on Amavasya, but by the time I went to school in the 1940's this holiday had been taken away but brahmins were allowed to attend office late - in the afternoon half. Compelled by this, my elders would do their daily panchayatana and other deva poojas in the morning, then perform madhyahnikam and then tarpanam. Way back then, most brahmins knew how to do tarpanam without the aid of the vadhyar and so they would keep the Dakshina amount in some place and give it to the vadhyar officially (on a brass plate, etc.) whenever he visited next.

The point "start of amavasya" etc., is a very complicated subject and I don't want to confuse you with those intricate details. But you should know that there can be separate days for Bodhaayana amavasya; similarly the Kerala reckoning might differ from Tamilnadu reckoning and so on. Amavasya, Ekadasi, pradosham etc. differ in this manner.

2) However, in case of 'grahana' tharpanam, it can be done even if it in the midnight. - If the grahana tharpanam can be done exactly at that time, why not monthly or amawaysa should not be done exactly at that time.

Grahanam or eclipse is a well studied astronomical phenomenon which may last for at least a few minutes, but what about amaavaasya there is no similar settled view. For example usually for about 3 consecutive nights the moon is not visible to the naked eye. Hence we have to go by whatever the almanac says.

3) In monthly tharpanam, it was told that for 'utharayam' it is after month is born and in case of 'dakshayanam' months, it is before the month beginning Panchankam also mentions the same accordingly.

UtharaayaNam is the sun's northwardly movement of 6 months, roughly from December end to June end (22nd. or so) which we people have approximated to the period from the beginning of the Tamil month of "Thai" to the end of "Ani" month; DakshiNAyanam or the sun's southerly course starts in June or the beginning of "ADi". uttara and dakshina in sanskrit mean north and south respectively, and all such tarpanams have to be done in the afternoon (and of course, nowadays early in the mornings as per the timings of the hall/mandapams).

4) It was told that one should not perform any puja before performing the tharpanam. One should not wear anything on forehead (like vibhuthi or chandam) till tharpanam is completed. However, sandhyavandanam should be done as per the timings. Under the circumstances, should we apply vibhudi or chandanam while performing sandyavandanam or not during this tharpanam days.

Please see my remarks above. Our elders used to do the devapoojas, etc, before noon and the pitrutarpanam in the afternoon. But now we have made the tarpanam into an early morning group activity and one will find the "mAmAs" happily driving out in their posh cars by 7-30 or 8-00 A.M. for important meetings, to the airports etc., because all the rest of the poojas have got reduced very much.

The practice of wearing vibhuti varies from one family to another. Many people do tarpanams with empty foreheads; but in my patrilineal family we allow the vibhuti worn in the morning to continue, but do not specially wear a fresh set like we would do in the case of some deva pooja.

I understand that for the practical convenience some exceptions are given in our religion. But, I want what exactly should be the rule to be followed without going into the details exemptions or exceptions.

Request the members to explain, if possible, with sastra/vedic quotes as I would like to follow as far as possible correctly.
With kind regards
Balachandran

If you want to follow the sastras please learn the tarpana mantras first, try to do the tarpanam at least after 11-00 A.M.

There is no vedic quote in regard to tarpanas. Your request to us to quote vedic/sastra dicta shows that you have only half belief in what we may write out of our sincerity. I will therefore advise you to refer to authoritative texts like "Vaidyanatha Deekshiteeyam a.k.a. Smritimuktaaphalam" and convince yourself.

 

[balachandran]

Dear Sangom Sir,
Thank you very much for your elaborate explanation. Before writing further, I would like to inform that I have a very strong belief and I do tharpanam for all the 12 months, and all amavasya and all the 15 days of mahalayam and of course all grahanams in a year. Since I have confusion in performing this tharpanam as everyone says differently, I thought it fit to post it in Tamilmatrimony so that I would get more authenticated reply from the very learned persons.

Secondly, please let me know where I can get the books Vaidyanatha Deekshiteeyam a.k.a. Smritimuktaaphalam mentioned by you.

Finally, Sir, you have also given the reply to my points based on the customs and practices only. You have only mentioned that our forefathers were doing 'like this' and now we are doing 'like this' due to paucity of time other occupations etc. Nowhere it has been said that the tharpanam should be done like this.
Regards
Balachandran

 

[nannilam_balasubramanian]

Dear Sangom Sir,
Thank you very much for your elaborate explanation. Before writing further, I would like to inform that I have a very strong belief and I do tharpanam for all the 12 months, and all amavasya and all the 15 days of mahalayam and of course all grahanams in a year. Since I have confusion in performing this tharpanam as everyone says differently, I thought it fit to post it in Tamilmatrimony so that I would get more authenticated reply from the very learned persons.

Secondly, please let me know where I can get the books Vaidyanatha Deekshiteeyam a.k.a. Smritimuktaaphalam mentioned by you.

Finally, Sir, you have also given the reply to my points based on the customs and practices only. You have only mentioned that our forefathers were doing 'like this' and now we are doing 'like this' due to paucity of time other occupations etc. Nowhere it has been said that the tharpanam should be done like this.
Regards
Balachandran

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[kgopalan]

All maried man must take morning bath and maadhyanikam snaanam. take a bath during sunrise time daily in the morning. wear dry dothy pancha kacham do sandhya vandhanam and gayathri japam after having marks in your forehead.keep dry the another 9x5 dhoty after having bath in the sun rays. do orning aupaasanam.

pluck flowers from the plants for doing pooja. chant rudhram,chamakam, purusha sooktham, durga sooktham, sri sooktham.bhagya sooktham.etc. take a bath at 10-30 am. wear the dry dhothy and start doing amavasai tharpanam.then wear marks on your forehead and do brahma yagnam. then do pooja.

take bath twice at least on amavasai and month sankraman days if you are not able to do this daily.for those people who are not able to take second bath they may use wet cloth to sponge all over their body by which the vibhudhi in the fore head will go away.

correct time to start amavasai tharpanam and sratham. "AHNO MUHURTHAHA VIKYAATHAAHAA DASA PANCHA CHA SARVADHA THATHRAASHTAMO MUHURTHO YAHA SA KAALAHA KUTHAPAHA SMRUTHAHA" one day time is having 15 muhurthaas in which the eight muhurtham that is from 11.30 am approximately.

some persons may start from 10.45 am or from 8.30 am. according to their convenience.it should not be done before 8.30.am. The shadow of sun is falling from 10.30 am. on sun. burn the used dharbhai for amavasai and throw the water in the well or in the upstairs from where the water will go to rain drainage unit. those ellu used for tharpanam should not germinate.you may also throw the used dharbhai for tharpan in a river.

these tharpanams are called nithya tharpanam. grahana tharpanam and parehani tharpanam are called naimithika tharpanam. grahana punya kalam will be there only during grahanam time. so we have to do tharpanam only during grahanam time.

madha pirappu punya kalam will be there before and after madha pirapu for some hours. so you have to do it in the morning after sandhya vandhanam and aupaasanam . " THILAIHI SAPTHASHTABIRVAAPEE SAMAVEDHAM JALAA ANJALIM BHAKTHINAMRAS SAMUDHISHYA BHUVYASMAAKAM PRADHAASYATHY" TAKE SEVEN OR EIGHT ELLU FOR EACH THAPANAM water 100 mille for each tharpanam.