The affluent Patel clan owns a quarter of US motels. In India, it wants to be called

[prasad1]

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The Patels have a reputation that extends far beyond their home in the western Indian state of Gujarat.
From motel chains across the US to corner stores in the UK, from the diamond business in Europe to trading in Africa, this pioneering Gujarati clan has often been at the forefront of the Indian diaspora’s expansion.
Despite this global fame and wealth, about a million Patels—a mainly Hindu community, also known as the Patidars—are rallying in Gujarat’s commercial capital of Ahmedabad demanding an “other backward class” status for their community.
For long, India has attempted at counteracting the impact of its ancient caste system through quota-based affirmative action for economically weaker communities. The “other backward class” (OBC) is a term coined by the Indian government to refer to groups that have historically been disadvantaged.
The status would make it easier for the Patels—who account for between 15% and 20% of Gujarat’s population of more than 63 million—to access education, government jobs and other facilities, thanks to India’s reservation system.

http://qz.com/487069/the-affluent-p...els-in-india-they-want-to-be-called-backward/

 

[yesmohan]

The Patels have a reputation that extends far beyond their home in the western Indian state of Gujarat.
From motel chains across the US to corner stores in the UK, from the diamond business in Europe to trading in Africa, this pioneering Gujarati clan has often been at the forefront of the Indian diaspora’s expansion.

All Pates are affluent and wealthy?
Is there any statistical data available about the cross sections of Patel community's economical status to justify their claim?

 

[sangom]

All Pates are affluent and wealthy?
Is there any statistical data available about the cross sections of Patel community's economical status to justify their claim?

Patels come in all hues, from the extremely rich to the very poor, but, as a community, they have great cohesion and mutual business help. Hence, even the poor Patels have a bit of self-confidence and will strive hard to improve their business with other Patels' help and more often, they succeed.

 

[கால பைரவன்]

All Pates are affluent and wealthy?
Is there any statistical data available about the cross sections of Patel community's economical status to justify their claim?

This argument applies to all communities. Is this data available for communities currently classified as backward?

The Patels understand the game. Strength of numbers alone matter.

 

[vgane]

Patels are the backbone of the ruling party! No body can antagonize them! But if the upwardly mobile Jats & Patels want OBC status something is wrong! I can see the Mandal brand politicians salivating at the prospect of a full fledged caste war! How about Brahmins, Rajputs, Vaishyas for reservation...Are they second class citizens??

 

[tbs]

hi

in india ..every community need reservations....jains too...brahmins are economically backward....

 

[biswa]

Everybody should be stripped of their caste label once and for all, via a constitutional amendment!

 

[tbs]

Everybody should be stripped of their caste label once and for all, via a constitutional amendment!

hi
really good idea....make constitution that INDIA IS CASTELESS COUNTRY....no caste based political parties/job /education

reservation...then country will progress in the 21st century.....its my dream...like army...ONLY PHYSICAL/EDUCATION

QUALIFICATIONS ARE CONSIDERED....NOT CASTE BASE RESERVATION...

 

[yesmohan]

Most of the regional parties who thrive on caste politics are waiting for the opening of the Pandora's box.....the details of caste based senses.

Where the Brahmins would be in numerical strength?
....... minority.....negligible minority.......

 

[prasad1]

 

[prasad1]

 

[krish44]

What is happening in gujarat is essentially is because of crisis in agriculture. Patels are finding it not renumerative. Many in surat employed in diamond cutting and

refining are not well off. Gujarat has good manufacturing base with blue collar workers but no service based jobs. The white collar jobs are only in govt. If education and

jobs in govt are denied to them because of their caste, they feel aggrieved.They have merit . but because of reservation policy ,they are not considered backward to

qualify for any quota. Their status is similar to Gujjars in rajasthan,jats in haryana and parts of rajasthan ,marathas in maharashtra and brahmins in tamil nadu..

Brahmins in tamil nadu are insignificant players because of their small numbers. But Patels are the backbone of BJP in gujarat. If they do not support their own

constituency , they might be in trouble in next elections.Reservations requires a relook in these changed circumstances.

Madhav sinh solanki of congress promoted the KHAM alliance to take on Patels .Congress prospects should improve if patels desert BJP

 

[biswa]

hi
really good idea....make constitution that INDIA IS CASTELESS COUNTRY....no caste based political parties/job /education

reservation...then country will progress in the 21st century.....its my dream...like army...ONLY PHYSICAL/EDUCATION

QUALIFICATIONS ARE CONSIDERED....NOT CASTE BASE RESERVATION...

TBSji, that's a great model, the Indian army.

Another good model is the Indian cricket team where we have forward castes, backward castes all playing together for the country. Nobody asks for caste when celebrating a win, century or a 5 for.

Hope gradually the country moves to a private sector model. It is true though that are genuinely disadvantaged people and help and free education should be offered for all who qualify on economic basis.

 

[vgane]

Why the Patels are agitating? Another view point!

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So how did Hardik Patel suddenly create a space for this agitation and arrive on the scene with such force? Well, the reasons are both economic and political. The slump in small- and medium-scale industries has hurt them as big conglomerates, many led by Patels, emerged to dominate the scene. The diamond industry of Surat, another stronghold of Patels, has taken a hit as international players have made the going tough. Farming, always dominated by Patels, has grown, but is not seen as a future-proof occupation.


They want a share in the government jobs pie for the youth coming out of farming families. They find that they cannot compete with castes with quota benefits. Hardik Patel has got the emotive rhetoric right: “A Patidar student with 90 per cent marks does not get admission in an MBBS course, while SC/ST or OBC students get it with 45 per cent marks.” Patel is a recent graduate from Ahmedabad’s Sahajanand College. He managed just about 50 per cent marks. His father is a farmer. He could see Patidar students like him have little option, if they do not have sufficient capital to start a business.

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http://www.dailyo.in/politics/hardi...ben-patel-mandal-commission/story/1/5874.html

 

[tbs]

Why the Patels are agitating? Another view point!

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So how did Hardik Patel suddenly create a space for this agitation and arrive on the scene with such force? Well, the reasons are both economic and political. The slump in small- and medium-scale industries has hurt them as big conglomerates, many led by Patels, emerged to dominate the scene. The diamond industry of Surat, another stronghold of Patels, has taken a hit as international players have made the going tough. Farming, always dominated by Patels, has grown, but is not seen as a future-proof occupation.


They want a share in the government jobs pie for the youth coming out of farming families. They find that they cannot compete with castes with quota benefits. Hardik Patel has got the emotive rhetoric right: “A Patidar student with 90 per cent marks does not get admission in an MBBS course, while SC/ST or OBC students get it with 45 per cent marks.” Patel is a recent graduate from Ahmedabad’s Sahajanand College. He managed just about 50 per cent marks. His father is a farmer. He could see Patidar students like him have little option, if they do not have sufficient capital to start a business.

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http://www.dailyo.in/politics/hardi...ben-patel-mandal-commission/story/1/5874.html

hi

he says give us reservation or remove reservation quota system.....may be benefit for forward communities like brahmins....

 

[vgane]

How is a caste defined as OBC! Look at the weightages! We also do manual labor(we are slaves of the Bosses), our women also contribute to family income & other castes think lowly of us...What prevents us from becoming OBC!( Ha Ha! He He!)

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To begin with, a community gets three points if it performs manual labour, which any prosperous Jat, or Maratha or Patidar would proudly lay claim to. Another three points if the women in the family contribute to household income; even milking your buffalo or weeding the garden patch qualify. Three more points if other castes think poorly of you. Which caste has universal acclaim? Finally, another round of three points if a significant proportion of marriages in the caste takes place before the permitted legal age. In other words, people are now being rewarded for actually breaking the law.

Add them all up and we already have 12 points, while it needs only 11 to be considered as an OBC. There is little reason, therefore, to even think of economic and educational backwardness and consequently, these criteria are rarely brought up. As social backwardness is hard to disprove, most “backward” aspirants harp on this aspect most of all.
Politically, the Patels are undoubtedly on top on every front. They dominate the private sector and control, among other things, the diamond polishing business and the groundnut oil trade in the state. At least one third of ministers in Gujarat’s cabinet today are Patels, even though this caste comprises but 15% of the state’s population. According to estimates, about 70% of Micro Small and Medium Enterprises (MSMEs) are owned by Patels.


Patel domination

Over and above all of this, they have another unique feature that sets them apart from all other castes in India. No other caste dominates both the urban and rural economy the way the Patels do. They have one foot in the village, another in the city, and more than a toe hold in Africa, the UK and the US. It is this trait that probably took the BJP ideology easily from city to village in Gujarat.

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http://thewire.in/2015/08/27/the-long-and-dark-shadow-of-mandal-politics-2-9402/

 

[yesmohan]

Is there any lesson for Brahmins to learn from Pates?

 

[krish44]

What tamil brahmins can learn is if there is injustice to you in reservation policy, speak up and stand for your rights.Protest at least .

Go to places like africa and US and open motels if you have no other qualification such as higher education for good employment.

A twenty two year old from gujarat made a mark challenging an entrenched policy and made a mark in shortest possible time.

Our tamil brahmin youngsters should stand up and speak against discrimination in college admission and govt jobs.

Gujarat started Nava nirman movement earlier, Why should gujarat alone give a lead for social change.

If Those affected take it on the chin,they deserve to be treated like dirt.


I have no sympathy for the underdogs.

Everyone gets what he deserves.

can we get a tamil brahmin kejriwal ?

 

[vgane]

What tamil brahmins can learn is if there is injustice to you in reservation policy, speak up and stand for your rights.Protest at least .

Go to places like africa and US and open motels if you have no other qualification such as higher education for good employment.

A twenty two year old from gujarat made a mark challenging an entrenched policy and made a mark in shortest possible time.

Our tamil brahmin youngsters should stand up and speak against discrimination in college admission and govt jobs.

Gujarat started Nava nirman movement earlier, Why should gujarat alone give a lead for social change.

If Those affected take it on the chin,they deserve to be treated like dirt.


I have no sympathy for the underdogs.

Everyone gets what he deserves.

can we get a tamil brahmin kejriwal ?

If there is fear of the unknown one cannot survive!

We need youngsters who will be ready to take up the gun! Such was the power of Hardik Patel!

If there is one Hardik Patel in our TB community we would be much better off

Currently our community is view as "Payanthankolli" (fearing)and "Mudugu thandillathavan" (without spinal cord)

 

[talwan]

Is there any lesson for Brahmins to learn from Pates?

The lesson is they have shown Mass to the Govt.This cannot be done by Brahmins as they are scattered.Even done the mass would not be as much as show by the patels.
Alwan

 

[vgane]

 

[prasad1]

I posted a comment which can be in this thread.
http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/showthread.php?t=26859&p=315092#post315092

 

[prasad1]

To mount pressure on government for reservation under OBC quota, the Patidar or Patel community members living in the US today announced to "boycott" Prime Minister Narendra Modi's forthcoming visit there for delivering him a "strong message" on the issue.
More than 1,000 Patels today held a meeting in Edison town of New Jersey in US to extend their support to protests being organised by their brethren here, Sardar Patel Group (SPG) leader Lalji Patel said here. SPG disassociated itself from Hardik Patel-led Patidar Ananmat Andolan Samiti (PAAS) after their mega rally on August 25 here and is running a parallel movement to press for the quota demand.
"Patels living in US have come forward and extended their support to our cause. Today, more than 1,000 Patels living in Edison held a meeting and extended support to us. They have announced to boycott PM Narendra Modi's upcoming visit in US," he said.
Lalji said Patels in US always participated with great enthusiasm during such visits of PM.
"But now, the Patel community in US wants to give a strong message to PM who has not taken any decision about (granting) reservation to Patels. Thus, we have decided to stay away from his programme in US," he said.
Lalji added that Patels will also stay away from any programme of Gujarat government as part of their ongoing stir. The US-based Patels have also asked their community in Gujarat to stop paying taxes to government.
"Not just US, Patels will also stay away from any state government programme in Gujarat. Our US-based members also appealed to us to stop paying taxes to mount pressure on government. We will convey this message to our community to implement it in coming days," said Lalji.
Modi is supposed to visit California later this month.
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/repor...-in-us-vow-to-boycott-pm-modi-s-visit-2123302

 

[prasad1]

The Patel quota agitation leader on Tuesday unveiled his national plans by announcing the launch of a new outfit which will bring Patels as well as other affiliated communities under one umbrella to press for their inclusion in OBC list. 'Patel Navnirman Sena (PNS)' will work towards bringing Patels (Patidars) and affiliated communities such as Kurmis and Gujjars under one platform to press for their demand for reservation in Government jobs and education under OBC category, said the agitation leader Hardik Patel.
Announcing plans to hold a series of rallies in coming months to take forward their campaign, Hardik said PNS' units have been formed in 16 States and he was today unanimously elected as its National President.
Hardik claims Kurmis and Gujjars belong to Patel community and called by these names outside Gujarat.
The combined strength of these three communities is more than 27 crore in India, said the 22-year-old commerce graduate who shot into limelight when Patels launched a stir in Gujarat in support of their demand for reservation. "Till now, more than 7.8 lakh members of Kurmi-Patel communities have joined PNS. We will hold 16 rallies in 16 different states during the next 12 months. We expect that more than 4 lakh of our members will participate in each of these mega rallies," Hardik said.
To press for demand for reservation to Kurmi-Patels under OBC quota in Uttar Pradesh, Hardik said the outfit will organise a mega meet in Lucknow next month. "On October 31, which is the birth anniversary of Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel, our organisation will take out a mega rally in Lucknow to demand reservation for Kurmi-Patels," he said. The show of strength exercise will then move to New Delhi, where the young leader addressed a gathering of Gujjar and Kurmi communities late last month. "After a gap of around one-and-a-half months, we will take out a massive rally in Delhi. We expect more than 50 lakh of our members to participate in that rally," said Hardik.
On August 25, Hardik-led Patidar Ananmat Andolan Samiti (PAAS), which has been spearheading the quota stir in Gujarat, held a mammoth gathering of Patels in Ahmedabad. After his brief detention that day, violence erupted across the State, which claimed 10 lives and caused extensive damage to public property.

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/repor...ena-announces-major-stir-across-india-2123298

May be the TB community should join this group.

 

[krish44]

TB community joining groups?....

Let others fight for us and pass on the reservation benefits in case they materialise to us.

We will pray for our inclusion and God will ensure our voices are heard