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The big shakeout: Striking the right Brahmin balance!

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How true! Brahmins are being systematically being discriminated in politics, education and jobs!

But in North Brahmins are not facing any racial discrimination as in Tamil Nadu!

North is more feudal and there is respect for the Pandit!

The Mandal commission dealt a death knell to the dominance of the Pandit in North

In South , No doubt, Tambrahms were dominating the Congress of the 1920's & 30's...Now there are hardly any Brahmins in Congress...

We may be in good number in BJP...Once the BJP becomes a large party, we will be shown the door as it happened in Congress!

Brahmins fear for politics as a career because it has now become the haven for the Goonda! Also in Tamil Nadu it is difficult for a Brahmin to win unless the person is the VVIP! Even if you join, you will have to be a foot soldier of the party, not some Neta or Thalaivar

The big shakeout: Striking the right brahmin balance - The Times of India

Days before the 1917 annual meeting of the Congress in Calcutta, an advertisement appeared in the pages of the daily New India. CS Narasimha Chari, a delegate from Madras Presidency, wanted to know of hotels run by Madrasis in Calcutta since by the time 13 brahmin delegates out of 15 would reach the city, Congress 'camps would not be in working condition.'





A Tamilian Brahmana, political scientist M S S Pandian recounts in 'Brahmins & Non-Brahmins : Geneologies of the Tamil Political Present' , came to the Congress delegates' rescue and gave information about two Brahmana hotels in Calcutta offering Tanjore brahmin meals. The 13 Tamil brahmins could go back with their 'purity' intact.

The over-representation of brahmins and upper castes in Congress party structures — 40% of delegates at annual meetings between 1892 and 1909 — was reflected in the membership of state assemblies. Between 1920 and 1937, brahmin representation in the Bombay Presidency assembly hovered between 19% and 37%. Post-Independence , the trend continued across the Hindi heartland of Bihar, UP, Rajasthan and MP. In UP, a state where brahmins were a little over 9% of the population according to the 1931 Census , their representation in assembly peaked to 27% in 1962. As the first wave of resistance to the dominant castes came, Congress could always pitchfork a co-opted Jagjivan Ram as a challenge to B R Ambedkar and to socialists.

But no Jagjivan Ram or socialist could change the brahmin narrative. The upper caste dominance became a pan-party story, from the CWC to CPM's Politburo and BJP's national executive. While Congress and BJP made little pretense of the interest groups they represented, CPM's story is interesting. At the forefront of many social, economic and political campaigns, CPM never had a Scheduled Caste in the politburo. So far, only one Muslim — Mohd Amin - and one woman — Brinda Karat — have made it to the PB. The current 15-member PB has four born in Brahmin families.

The intense social justice movement in the Hindi heartland saw a dramatic change in Brahmin fortune, particularly in the last quarter of a century . While party structures remained pro-Brahmin or largely upper caste, CMs were no longer Brahmins in big states, an admission of the changed political calculus and resurgence of lower castes. While this change took place in TN, Kerala and AP much earlier, states like Bihar and UP could not remain impervious. Bihar has not had an upper caste — let alone Brahmin — CM in 25 years and UP for more than a decade. Even a Brahmin-Bania party like BJP had to contend with a Lodh CM Kalyan Singh. Rajnath Singh, a Thakur, was the only exception to the exclusion of upper castes from the top job in UP in recent times.

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That way Tamil Nadu is better ..you guys have a TB Jayalalitha as CM.

Looking at the complaints in this forum, I do not know if she listens to any of the TB voices! That there was not a single TB candidate in the Lok Sabha list of 40 was raised here...As she is leading a Tamil Nationalist Dravida party she might have her limitations...But outrightly denying a fair chance to a TB for the sake of caste politics, is it not too much?

PS: None of the TB are enamored of her..If there is any NB Hindu who is not anti Brahmin and gives respect to Brahmins will get the support of TB in future.
 
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Tamil Brahmins are not a substantial vote bank. If they have the numbers, they can influence the course of politics. Without numbers, and without even the capacity to make the right noises, and preferring to remain very timid, what can Brahmins really do?
 
I do not know why Tamil Brahmins always lament about their present position (comparing their Golden period in Tamilnadu in the Past).Every individual/community enjoy their best periods for some years
and downfall starts after a few years.
See the present plight of Mr.Chautala former Chief Minister of Haryana.His late father was very popular during his days and he also had his downfall in his last days.
True Brahmins who want to lead Vedic Life may seriously consider and settle down in a village near Jalgan Maharastra.
See''www.tapovan.co.in" for further information.
 
When did she tell that she is a B. If she tells openly, lot of problems will emerge.

She had the guts to say in Assembly " Naan Paapathi thaanda..Ennada pannuveenga" when posters appeared in Tamil Nadu in 1991 about her caste...She is in politics for 30 + years...Her caste is a settled issue
 
She had the guts to say in Assembly " Naan Paapathi thaanda..Ennada pannuveenga" when posters appeared in Tamil Nadu in 1991 about her caste...She is in politics for 30 + years...Her caste is a settled issue


Every one knows her period from 1991 to 1996 and also her open support to the Ram Mandir issue during that period. Recently, she denied sending any kar sevaks to Ayodhya. Considering the present circumstances, she will simply deny what she narrated during that period, taking into account the ground realities. She is known for backtracking. How many Bs from AIADMK are contesting this election?
 
Brahmins never occupied the post of Chief Minister or Prime Minister because of their numerical strength, but on the respect that they got from others. Look at the list of Chief Ministers of the provinces immediately after the independence. Shri B G Kher of Bombay, Shri Ravi Shankar Sukla of Central Provinces, Shri G B Pant of UP, Shri SriKrishna Sinha of Bihar (Bhumihar), Shri Gopinath Bardolai of Assam, all were Brahmins. In Madras and Tamil Nadu there were only three Chief Ministers from Brahmin Community Shri C Rajagopalachari, Shri T Prakasam and Ms. J Jayalalitha. All these people got their post for their merit. I am sure this trend will continue in future also.

Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.
 
Brahmins never occupied the post of Chief Minister or Prime Minister because of their numerical strength, but on the respect that they got from others. Look at the list of Chief Ministers of the provinces immediately after the independence. Shri B G Kher of Bombay, Shri Ravi Shankar Sukla of Central Provinces, Shri G B Pant of UP, Shri SriKrishna Sinha of Bihar (Bhumihar), Shri Gopinath Bardolai of Assam, all were Brahmins. In Madras and Tamil Nadu there were only three Chief Ministers from Brahmin Community Shri C Rajagopalachari, Shri T Prakasam and Ms. J Jayalalitha. All these people got their post for their merit. I am sure this trend will continue in future also.

Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.


Until early 60s, Independence Movement had its effect and Bs had a say in politics in TN. After the advent of Kamaraj and dravadian movement, Bs lost their charm. CR was unable to make a come back till his death. His alliance with Kamaraj in 1971 election turned out to be a big flop; Syndicate Congress won less than 20 seats.

After the death of MGR, no one was in the lime light except JJ. V N Janaki was never projected by MGR and RM Veerappan was never in the fight. Since JJ was in her early 40s and had more appeal than others, she was able to take over AIADMK.

If Rajnikanth entered politics in the mid 1990s, things would have been different.

The only B TN politician who was noteworthy is P Ramamurthy, since he practised what he preached.
 
Folks, hang on for just few more years, nothing is going to matter any more as the present generation of Nathelas, Balakrishnans, Murthys and nilekanis of the world take over polity, it will be the efficent who shall rule. have patience.
 
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