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The last and final step for a disciple

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When a disciple first see his Guru, he does not identifies him as his Guru but the Guru knows him. Because it is not just this one day meeting. This relationship has continued from the previous births.
As the disciple is not conscious, he does not know this. However as the Guru is pure consciousness, he knows this instantaneously.
The disciple starts with a lot of inhibitions about realising self, knowing the truth etc. There is a constant fight between the Mind and the heart. He gets confused frequently about which path to follow – Bhakti or Jnana?
The first quality disciple feels is – Feeling the silence which eminates from and surrounds the master.
Then the disciple understands that he can follow both path – Bhakti and Jnana together
Then slowly the fight between the mind and the heart ends. The heart wins
Then the disciple sheds all inhibitions about realising self, knowing the truth etc.
The last and final step for the disciple is ——— He learns the art of waiting
He waits without any expectation
He waits patiently serving his master.
He waits indefinitely

 
dear srimadhan,

i am somewhat perplexed by your inscrutable post, atleast to me.

are you a disciple waiting for a guru based on your rebirth? or vice versa?

are you publishing this post, as a guidelines for gurus? disciples?

based on your definitions, do you truly expect, in this day and age, any tambram, or otherwise, to '... waits indefinitely'?

yours is quite an esoteric thread, compared to the myriads of dull stuff initiated daily. so please explain a wee bit more, as to your aims, so that folks like me, who are not much into gurus, would be able to follow it.

hope you dont mind. thank you.
 
Do you really believe in the sentiment expressed in the OP?
In this day and age of Capitation fees, if you don't have the right connection and the fee required the teacher will not even see you.

Even dance, music teachers charge to impart knowledge, it is not free. No fee - no teaching.
The only teacher dropped in your arms is going to rob you of all your material wealth.

I understand the ancient parampara of guru-shisya, but that is dead. Today the Guru drives a rolls royce and flies around in a private jet.

Bapu was born on April 17, 1941, in the Berani village of the Nawabshah District in undivided India (present day Pakistan), to Menhgiba and Thaumal Sirumalani. At the young age he lost his father, he raised pursuing meditation and spirituality as he was taught basic lessons of spirituality and meditation by his mother. He finally left his family and traveled the country, until he went to Vrindavan, to the ashram of saint Lilashah. Bapu has one son, Narayan Sai who is also known as Narayan Prem Sai. Bapu's spiritual discourses have been scheduled in different Indian cities like Ahmedabad, Patna etc. and devotees also took diksha from him in these satsang programs. Around 20,000 students visited his satsang in Ahmedabad in December 2001.


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Dear Sir

I take the questions 1 at a time
1. I have written this as a "disciple". I have sequentially listed happenings in the life of a disciple.
2. This is not guideline for a guru or a disciple. This is a path a disciple travels.
3. The quality of a disciple lies in waiting. I am not talking about the time. For the waiting disciple, there is no time. To put it otherwise, time ceases to exist.

This is a shorter version. It would be easier to communicate directly on this. Hence can we take it offline on this Sir.

Regards
Srimadhan
 
Dear Sir

I don't think we can change
1. Ask Schools to not charging Capitation Fees
2. Ask teachers to teach free i.e Music, etc etc

Many ancient master's/Guru's have stated this including JK "You are the world". Hence my thought here would be to look at ourselves and change in the positive direction.

Also would like to politely point out that "Money, Simplicity, Fan Following is not the criteria to categorise whether he is a Guru or not". For example
1. Many Kings have been saints - King Janaka, Jatabarada etc etc
2. Staying simple does not mean they are saints. Many poor people have to lead a natural simple life.

Realising the self or Atman would be criteria to be a Guru. How do we find that out? A difficult question indeed.

Probably after my 15 years meditation experience, have given my thoughts below.

When we go to a temple/Jeeva Samadhi's and meditate, we can notice positive changes in the Mind, Body & Breathing. If we notice more/less the same in the presence of a living person, we can categorise him as a Guru. This can be used as an indication to some extent.

I feel that this comes only by experience. Till such time, we will have to do what we ought to do
 
When a disciple first see his Guru, he does not identifies him as his Guru but the Guru knows him. Because it is not just this one day meeting. This relationship has continued from the previous births.
As the disciple is not conscious, he does not know this. However as the Guru is pure consciousness, he knows this instantaneously.
The disciple starts with a lot of inhibitions about realising self, knowing the truth etc. There is a constant fight between the Mind and the heart. He gets confused frequently about which path to follow – Bhakti or Jnana?
The first quality disciple feels is – Feeling the silence which eminates from and surrounds the master.
Then the disciple understands that he can follow both path – Bhakti and Jnana together
Then slowly the fight between the mind and the heart ends. The heart wins
Then the disciple sheds all inhibitions about realising self, knowing the truth etc.
The last and final step for the disciple is ——— He learns the art of waiting
He waits without any expectation
He waits patiently serving his master.
He waits indefinitely


In my opinion, You have not expressed clearly what you have in mind. This is an important topic since Lord Siva himself, in GURU GITA, has extolled the role of Guru and the relationship between Guru and Disciple opens the vision of the disciple.
 
Sir

Thanks very much for your comment. Would like to share my thoughts below

God gave the opportunity to read the Guru Gita about 10 years back. I have been reading it again and again till date. I have explained my experiences as a disciple here. I do not find anything contrary to that stated in the Guru Gita.

Would like to politely indicate that there are thousands and thousands of path towards God. The paths can be unique or same with the previous travelled. Request you to let me know how the path stated about contradicts with the above.

Also as this is lengthy discussion, would prefer to take it offline.

Thanks very much for your thoughts, comments, time and effort

Regards
Srimadhan
 
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