Veda Patasalas should be open for NBs.

[vikrama]

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The most discussed topic in this forum is, as you all know, the inter-caste marriage. I am not going to discuss the issue as such but I would like to take up an undiscussed fall out of this phenomenon.

ICMs have come to stay and we have all come to accept it though with a tinge of pain in our heart. If you do not have a non-brahmin as your fifth cousin so far, you are sure to have one within the next decade. In about fifty years’ time, there will be no blue-blooded Brahmin left.

In this background we may discuss what will happen to the study of Vedas. Most Brahmins have already given up the study of Vedas and only a few descendants of highly orthodox Vedic scholars admit their children in Veda patasalas. That it is paying too nowadays is an added cause for their decision.

When Brahmin community becomes extinct, who will come forward to study the Vedas? Vedas will also become extinct except in the hallowed precincts of western universities.
Why should we keep the study of Vedas alive? It is the Veda that forms the foundation of Hinduism. Without Vedas Hinduism will be a bundle of mutually contradicting beliefs. These contradictions will weaken Hinduism and it will fall an easy prey to the proselytizing religions.

In the interest of Hinduism, the veda-patasalas should open the doors to non-brahmins. Young boys, interested in religion, may be admitted without any reference to their background. Secular education and vedic education should go hand in hand. After their +2, those desirous of making a living out of it can become priests. Those interested in higher vedic studies can go for it. Others may take up any profession of their choice.

Now is the time for considering this and taking a decision. We need not wait till the last pure Brahmin is eliminated.

 

[renuka]

Dear Vikrama ji,

Can the Vedas become extinct?

If it is actually from God and not from man it should be self sustainable isnt it?

That is what I fail to understand when I read some Puranas that say God gave certain group of people to safe guard the Vedas.

It makes you wonder..only word of Man can be safe guarded..can word of God be safe guarded?

If God cant save His own Vedas..what is the use of opening to doors to anyone to study something that cant even save itself from extinction?

When finally we are supposed to

sarva-dharman parityajya

mam ekam saranam vraja
aham tvam sarva-papebhyo
moksayisyami ma sucah​

TRANSLATION​

Abandon all varieties of Dharma and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.​

do Hindus have to fear any sort of extinction.


Tell me how many Hindus of any kind actually even refer to the Vedas in the real sense for day to day life.

One my side I can say its 0%. Life would still go on as usual becos of in built human trait to survive.
With or without Vedas the earth will still orbit the sun and life will go on.

I feel sometimes we humans tend to believe too much that everything will go extinct one day..even if everything goes extinct one day..God will have His plan..its will be Eko'ham Bahusyam again with a different method.

BTW door should open to welcome everyone in even when the house is full...doors should not open just becos the inmates have left the house...that is not a welcome.. its desperation.

 

[NVG Iyer77]

1) Usage of the word “ … till the last pure Brahmin is ELIMINATED “ … clearly shows the writer’s DEEP HIDDEN HATRED for BRAHMINS.
The pure Brahmin never gets eliminated.
When kali ends and kalki avatar marries Ramaa and leaves for Vaikunta, there would be a hand-ful of PURE Brahmins who would carry the requisites of the next yuga, forward.
2) We are in the 5,116[SUP]th[/SUP] year of Kali. 4,26,884 years are yet to pass by. Why bother ? Even if you bother, you are not the creator. You are the created. So, just do your duty and move on.

3) The VEDAS are never extinct. The ELIGIBILITY of people seeking it, might wane, but the VEDAS would remain. They are ETERNAL.

4) BLUE BLOODED Brahmins shall remain a REALITY. When a non-brahmin ( male/ female ) ( or say low genetic order ) marries a Brahmin ( or say upper genetic order ) and feels happy that one pure Brahmin has been ELIMINATED, God says

“ No, my dear. If you are smart, I am smarter than you. What I just achieved was that with your own actions, I suppressed your own GENE. At the ATOMIC / SUB-ATOMIC / GENETIC level, I suppressed your gene and cast it aside to prevent the ASURIC tendency from expressing itself and causing MISERY to a PEACEFUL World.

So, in Essence, with your own action, you eliminated yourself and your entire GENE CONTINUITY.

For the upper caste person, that might either be the last birth in that particular order or a punishment for some sin of a previous birth, or any reason whatsoever ( known to God alone ) and so before he/she moves out, a good deed is extracted from him by making him/ her fall in love with a lower order person, and the suppression / subduing of the lower order gene, ensures a deed towards a BALANCED WORLD ORDER by making use of this lower order person “.

Ref : Ghatotkacha, Nephew of HIDIMBA, son of HIDIMBI and Bheemasena.
He came of use in the Mahabharata and was thus rendered of use in SUPPRESSING his ASURIC MOTHER HIDIMBI’s GENE by the GENE of BHEEMASENA and made to be of use in the war of Dharma Vs. Adharma.

5) Veda Paatasaalas being open to non-brahmins happens even now. Vaishyas have their own paatasaalas. You have a couple of them open to all castes. But we do not have anything to do with them. Neither are we interested to. They go about their life and we go about ours. So, it hardly matters.

I believe it is high time these discussions about the ways of God are stopped. The ways of God are many. It is better that we stick to the track that we are born into and keep moving doing our duty on the way.

Now I am sure some will POUNCE…but before pouncing, I tell them “ WAIT, HOLD YOUR HORSES. Look into yourself first. What seeks to pounce is not YOU, but your FALSE and BLOATED EGO which is OUT TO CONSUME YOU THROUGH YOUR OWN ACTIONS. THAT IS TO SAY, YOUR OWN HANDS ARE OUT TO POKE YOUR OWN EYES AND RENDER YOU BLIND “.

 

[sangom]

Smt. Renuka,

The three vedas (rik, yajr and saama) were actually compilations, if they can be so called, in the very initial stages of the priestly crafts of a section of the people who most probably lived in the Indo-gangetic plains in the historical past. (I am not at all knowledgeable about the Atharva veda and so I cannot say anything about it; but definitely it is a later import and is not divine in origin.)

The rigveda in its present form gives us the prayers, chants and spells which used to be employed by different families of priests, all collected in one book; along with the prayers, the hymns also contain many other materials like nature-descriptions, some legends/history, etc. The yajurveda is an expansion on the rigveda and contains all the additions made during an era when animal sacrifice in the sacred fire was the chosen (only known?) mode of god-worship. The yajurveda contains the operating manual for the sacrifices also. Saama veda is a portion of rigvedic hymns or riks "set to tune" and singing these "saamans" by the udgaatrus (those who sing in raised voice) possibly added to the satisfaction of the audience witnessing the yaagas.

Since the vedas laid more emphasis on oral transmission and faithfully preserving the text as well as its tone or swaras, it may be necessary to broadbase the learning of the vedas by admitting all hindus for veda chanting studies in Vedapaathasaalas and elsewhere.

Possibly, the Modi government can catch two or more birds with one stone by setting up one Vedapaathasaala in every Parliamentary constituency, to start with, and admit any hindu of less than, say, 25 years for study; each veda should be taught within a period of 5 years. And all those passing out succesfully should be given a monthly allowance of say, ₹
5000/= or so as incentive, for life time. In stages such veda-teaching should be expanded just on the lines of the "Adarsh Gram Abhiyan" to more number of villages. This will recreate our ancient intelligent elite and will automatically catapult India into spiritual super power status in the world also!

 

[somanathan Iyer]

Instead of our banging the heads, it is better to leave the matter to the acharyas of hindu dharma to think of this.

 

[tbs]

hi

im a veda patashala student....i studied more than six yrs in veda patashala....it is not easy life in veda patashala...

 

[CHANDRU1849]

Instead of our banging the heads, it is better to leave the matter to the acharyas of hindu dharma to think of this.

Which Acharya? There are so many Acharyas with different customs and conventions. Ultimately, the Acharyas will fight themselves if we leave the matter to them. Each one will create his PRO and the PRO will form a group with like minded people, and hire a satellite channel to propagate the message. We have lot of mega serials then.

 

[prasad1]

The three vedas (rik, yajr and saama) were actually compilations, if they can be so called, in the very initial stages of the priestly crafts of a section of the people who most probably lived in the Indo-gangetic plains in the historical past. (I am not at all knowledgeable about the Atharva veda and so I cannot say anything about it; but definitely it is a later import and is not divine in origin.)

Possibly, the Modi government can catch two or more birds with one stone by setting up one Vedapaathasaala in every Parliamentary constituency, to start with, and admit any hindu of less than, say, 25 years for study; each veda should be taught within a period of 5 years. And all those passing out succesfully should be given a monthly allowance of say, ₹
5000/= or so as incentive, for life time. In stages such veda-teaching should be expanded just on the lines of the "Adarsh Gram Abhiyan" to more number of villages. This will recreate our ancient intelligent elite and will automatically catapult India into spiritual super power status in the world also!

I agree with Sangomji's post. Show me the proof that GOD (what ever that means) was the originator of Veda? I think it is no different than the statement that Koran or Bible was the revelation of God.

Having said that I do respect Gita as a practical way of living. (I know very little of Vedas).
I agree with the op, and strongly support that view. Any and every education should open to all.

I do not understand the goal of the graduate of these vedpatshallas? Most of the Hindu priests do not want their children following in their footsteps.

This will recreate our ancient intelligent elite and will automatically catapult India into spiritual super power status in the world also!

I do not know the tone of that statement.

 

[vs_ramki1950]

if the existence of the God has to be proved the one who seeks HIM has to live a life like that of Kanchi Periyava or Sringeri Acharya.then certainly u can see or experience HIM. by the by if God never existed then how come Gita also was "told" and by who?

 

[Vaagmi]

Dear Sri Vikrama,

Some thoughts on your post:

ICMs have come to stay and we have all come to accept it though with a tinge of pain in our heart

Not all. Drinking alcohol and bestiality had been there since time immemorial. But we do not agree that they have come to stay and so we all should accept it albeit with a heavy heart and pain in it. There is universal Good and Universal evil. They have to be called as such always and condemned whatever may be the percentage of population supporting it.

In this background we may discuss what will happen to the study of Vedas. Most Brahmins have already given up the study of Vedas and only a few descendants of highly orthodox Vedic scholars admit their children in Veda patasalas. That it is paying too nowadays is an added cause for their decision.When Brahmin community becomes extinct, who will come forward to study the Vedas? Vedas will also become extinct except in the hallowed precincts of western universities.

1. Vedas will never become extinct because it is knowledge which is true irrespective of time. It is absolute truth and not relative truth.

2. Vedas are not the exclusive preserve of Brahmins. In the ancient society other caste members also studied Vedas. What was needed was only a true desire for knowledge and the staying power to continue the study which takes a lot of time. A person with a desire to learn but with rajasic and tamasic disposition could never go far in the learning.

3. There should not be any restriction on learning Vedas and it should be open to all. People may quote manusmriti etc., and try to say it is the preserve of higher castes only. But many acharyas and scholars have confirmed that Sruti takes precedence over all other texts including smritis and so wherever smriti is in conflict with sruti it can be coolly ignored.

Why should we keep the study of Vedas alive? It is the Veda that forms the foundation of Hinduism. Without Vedas Hinduism will be a bundle of mutually contradicting beliefs. These contradictions will weaken Hinduism and it will fall an easy prey to the proselytizing religions.

Vedas are sought after only by a small section of the population who are into metaphysics and philosophy. Hinduism is a aviyal which has many belief systems as its part. Thus while I seek knowledge in the Vedas and Upanishads, my classmate and childhood friend Thanga Pandi is quite happy with the once in a year “Kodai” festival in the Akkini Madan temple in my village. A goat, a ram or a cock is offered as qurbani in all seriousness with religious fervor and cooked and eaten as prasadam. That too is Hinduism. My friend is a member of a hindutva outfit in my village and is doing commendable work at the grassroots level running a school. So Hinduism will survive irrespective of whether people in large numbers learn Vedas or not.

In the interest of Hinduism, the veda-patasalas should open the doors to non-brahmins. Young boys, interested in religion, may be admitted without any reference to their background. Secular education and vedic education should go hand in hand. After their +2, those desirous of making a living out of it can become priests. Those interested in higher vedic studies can go for it. Others may take up any profession of their choice.

Young boys of any caste can be taken in and given the priliminaries. After a level is reached only those who are interested should be given further education in Vedas. That will be good for the individuals concerned as well as for the body of knowledge called Vedas.

 

[Vaagmi]

I agree with Sangomji's post. Show me the proof that GOD (what ever that means) was the originator of Veda? I think it is no different than the statement that Koran or Bible was the revelation of God.

I understand your burning desire to see God. LOL. Because God will never come here and tell you that he originated the vedas you can go about your refusal to accept them as truth. In fact there are many who had been doing that through centuries.

And a small correction. Prophet gave koran and God revealed himself and the knowledge to the prophet. Similarly Bible is not the revealed divine text to anybody. In fact the Bible we have here today is after several editing exercises done by various creeds. what we have today is the outcome of Nicean creed, which congregated at Nice and after dropping several passages in the original version of Bible and adding several new passages and after rearranging and sanitizing them the current version was approved for issue to the followers of christianity. So it is all the work of human beings.

I do not understand the goal of the graduate of these vedpatshallas? Most of the Hindu priests do not want their children following in their footsteps.

They learn subjects like science, maths etc., so that they can get a job and make a living. They do this in addition to attending to priestly duties. To perform priestly duties you require only a priliminary knowledge of vedas. You do not have to become a pundit in vedas.

 

[prasad1]

Vaagmiji,
You and I are not in the same plane. I respect your knowledge.
The Madrasas too have similar set up for teaching, just like Vedapatsala. How many of Madrasa students are running fortune 500 companies? They do run Terrorists camps.
Similarly how many MNC will hire a vedapatsala graduate?
In world for people we do not care (and our Conscience permits it) we can give flippant comments.
With my knowledge of the market and in good conscience I can not advice anyone to study in vedapatsala or a Madrasa. But someone wants to study there I will not be one to object to it.

 

[Vaagmi]

Vaagmiji,
1.You and I are not in the same plane. I respect your knowledge.
2.The Madrasas too have similar set up for teaching, just like Vedapatsala. How many of Madrasa students are running fortune 500 companies? They do run Terrorists camps. Similarly how many MNC will hire a vedapatsala graduate?
3.In world for people we do not care (and our Conscience permits it) we can give flippant comments.
With my knowledge of the market and in good conscience I can not advice anyone to study in vedapatsala or a Madrasa. But someone wants to study there I will not be one to object to it.

prasadji,

Numbered for convenience.

1.Why do you want to hoist me on a pedestal? I am like anyother ordinary brahmin. Like the common man of RKLaxman's cartoon. There are far more knowledgeable people here and your knowledge about worldly matters is not small either. So you can deal with me with confidence. I too have my Achilles' heel.
2. These graduates with English education and traditional education come out and work in even MNCs not as CEOs or Directors but as just employees in the accounts, marketing etc. departments of the Co., to get a monthly pay cheque. The vadhyar-a young man of about 30 years-works in an Industrial concern this way.
3. I will certainly advise any one who asks me to study vedas in addition to their modern education because it is useful. It acts as an anchor when there are forces which can make you go drifting. With the modern Engineering education when a handsome salary is earned and the cash flow in your monthly statement leaves you with a substantial surplus there will come a tendency to go astray. It is then that this traditional education/knowledge comes without any prompting or indenting to balance and hold you firmly in your good value system. Those who can take the advice will take it and those who think it is laughable will go their way. I have no problem.

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[கால பைரவன்]

Vaagmiji,

It is interesting to see that people normally at different ends of the spectrum uniformly supporting opening up of the Vedapatashalas to NBs. Thats all right. But don't get carried away. When the dravidianists come and accuse you, i.e. the brahmins, of indulging in sanskritisation, you won't have this same support.