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Who was "that" Ravan?

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Since there is a Who was that Rama thread..I felt its only fair to start a thread about Ravan.

Ok Ravan is always depicted as ugly in drawings..but I remember reading some Ramayana(not sure if it was Valmiki Ramayana)..remember reading that Ravana was very handsome with drop dead good looks.

So who is the ugly Ravan portrayed in all pictures and drawings?

Was there only one Ravan or was there more than one Ravan?
 
I ha e heard of atleast two more---- Mahiravan and Ahiravan......... They are mentioned in Krittivas Ramayana(Bengali Ramayana) translated by Shuja Majumdar, published by BVB.
 
Dear Renu,

Ravana was an asura raja.

He can be only this handsome!

ravana+brahma.jpg
 
Dear Renu,

I feel sorry that you can't read Tamil literature! Kambar describes the feelings of the girls in Mithila, when Rama walks down

the streets with Lakshmana and Viswamitra. The poems are so much fun to enjoy! He says, 'If a person sees one part of Rama,

the eyes get stuck there and could not move! Such was His 'drop dead good looks'!
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For the benefit of Tamil readers, here is an interesting blog to read:

thOL kaNdAr thOLE kaNdAr-
nchokkan
 
Dear Renu,

I feel sorry that you can't read Tamil literature! Kambar describes the feelings of the girls in Mithila, when Rama walks down

the streets with Lakshmana and Viswamitra. The poems are so much fun to enjoy! He says, 'If a person sees one part of Rama,

the eyes get stuck there and could not move! Such was His 'drop dead good looks'!
award_star.png


For the benefit of Tamil readers, here is an interesting blog to read:

thOL kaNdAr thOLE kaNdAr-
nchokkan


Dear RR ji,

Give me time...I will learn to read Tamil well eventually.

I feel if I could self study Sanskrit I can surely self study Tamil too after all I can already read Tamil script at a slow pace and I can speak and understand Tamil.

I do have plans to improve my Tamil in the near future..will read Tamil well eventually.
 
Doctor Mam,

There is one more Ravan. His name is Mayil Ravan who took Rama to Patal Lok.
 
Dear Renu,

I liked two answers for the Q, 'Who is Ravan and is Ravan inside you?' in Yahoo answers.

Here they are:

1. We all have a Ravan inside us. He was a devil who kidnapped Sita, wife of lord Ram and then killed by Lord Ram with the

help of his followers. Inspite of all, RAVAN was a great scholar he has vast knowledge of vedas and mantras, but he was a

great egoist too. We all have Ravan inside us.
2.Absolutely Ravan is a symbolic figure of devilish traits within human beings. Its 10 heads denotes 5 vices (Lust, anger, greed,

attachment and arrogance) of men and 5 vices of women. It is a symbolic celebration of buring all these vices and become pure

is called "Dus Hara" (which can interpret as killing of the ten)
 
Dear RR ji,
Give me time...I will learn to read Tamil well eventually.
I feel if I could self study Sanskrit I can surely self study Tamil too after all I can already read Tamil script at a slow pace and I can speak and understand Tamil.
I do have plans to improve my Tamil in the near future..will read Tamil well eventually.

Renukaji,

Learn Tamil and master it. Then it will be 'open sesame' to a whole lot of knowledge, reading pleasure and beautiful poetry. You will certainly be happy that you learnt that language.
 
Ravana was Brahma's great grandson while Rama was 36th. in line from Brahma through Mareechi, Karyapa, Vivasvaan, Manu, Ikshvaaku, Kukshi and so on (Rama's lineage is given in the Ayodhyaa Kaanda of Valmiki Ramayana.)

So, we may conclude that Ravana and his forefathers lived for generations (on an average 9 generations) as compared to the short-lived Ikshvaaku lineage!

Ravana's great grand father (Sage Pulasthya) and Lord Rama's first ancestor (Sage Marichi) are brothers. So Ravana becomes Rama's great great great great ... "Chinna Thaathaa"!

Killing a paternal great great great great ... grandfather who was also a brahmana on his father's side gave Rama, the brahmahathya sin from which Siva absolved him at Rameswaram!
 
Ravana was Brahma's great grandson while Rama was 36th. in line from Brahma through Mareechi, Karyapa, Vivasvaan, Manu, Ikshvaaku, Kukshi and so on (Rama's lineage is given in the Ayodhyaa Kaanda of Valmiki Ramayana.)

So, we may conclude that Ravana and his forefathers lived for generations (on an average 9 generations) as compared to the short-lived Ikshvaaku lineage!

Ravana's great grand father (Sage Pulasthya) and Lord Rama's first ancestor (Sage Marichi) are brothers. So Ravana becomes Rama's great great great great ... "Chinna Thaathaa"!

Killing a paternal great great great great ... grandfather who was also a brahmana on his father's side gave Rama, the brahmahathya sin from which Siva absolved him at Rameswaram!

Dear Sangom Sir,

What is the source of this..I am hearing for first time that Lord Rama is related to Ravana!
 
Ravana's great grand father (Sage Pulasthya) and Lord Rama's first ancestor (Sage Marichi) are brothers. So Ravana becomes Rama's great great great great ... "Chinna Thaathaa"!

Killing a paternal great great great great ... grandfather who was also a brahmana on his father's side gave Rama, the brahmahathya sin from which Siva absolved him at Rameswaram!

I read this before that Ravan and Rama are actually related.

So I guess its true!LOL
 
I have also heard of another Ravana with one thousand heads who could not be killed by SriRama. Sitadevi had to. kill that Ravana.This is as per Adhbut Ramayana.
 
I have also heard of another Ravana with one thousand heads who could not be killed by SriRama. Sitadevi had to. kill that Ravana.This is as per Adhbut Ramayana.

Then there is the version that says the Sita was actually Ravan's daughter!
So many versions.
 
Dear Sangom Sir,

What is the source of this..I am hearing for first time that Lord Rama is related to Ravana!

Rama's lineage is from the book "Puranic Encyclopedia". Ravana's lineage is commonly known from a sanskrit text "Sree Ramo/(u)dantam" popular among us here in Travancore; in it it is said

पुरा विश्रवसः पुत्रो रावणो नाम राक्षसः ।
आसीद् अस्यानुजौच आस्तान् कुम्भकर्णो विभीषणौ ।


purā viśravasaḥ putro rāvaṇo nāma rākṣasaḥ |
āsīd asyānujauca āstān kumbhakarṇo vibhīṣaṇau |


Visravas is known to be son of Pulastya, who is son of Brahma himself.
 
Ravana's great grand father (Sage Pulasthya) and Lord Rama's first ancestor (Sage Marichi) are brothers. So Ravana becomes Rama's great great great great ... "Chinna Thaathaa"!

Killing a paternal great great great great ... grandfather who was also a brahmana on his father's side gave Rama, the brahmahathya sin from which Siva absolved him at Rameswaram!


Isnt it natsy that this Great Great Great Great Chinna Thaatha snached the wife of his great great great great chinna Grandson and ran away to Lanke with her . What a frustrated GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT grandfather he must have been LOL
 
Isnt it natsy that this Great Great Great Great Chinna Thaatha snached the wife of his great great great great chinna Grandson and ran away to Lanke with her . What a frustrated GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT grandfather he must have been LOL

How come the age difference didnt seem much between Rama and Ravana?
 
Ramayana itself becomes a big Ramayana. There are so many versions.

Which one is true?
 
Isnt it natsy that this Great Great Great Great Chinna Thaatha snached the wife of his great great great great chinna Grandson and ran away to Lanke with her . What a frustrated GREAT GREAT GREAT GREAT grandfather he must have been LOL

Since our available scriptures are silent on how Pulastya-Visravas-Ravana could live till Rama's time, there can be no authoritative answer. But it may be not frustration but the inexhaustible libido which might have been the cause!
 
Ramayana itself becomes a big Ramayana. There are so many versions.

Which one is true?

A religiously non-brainwashed and non-paranoid person would say - "Truth of which Ramayana is in the eye of the beholder". They will allow for the possibility that no one can know for sure and will not insist only their version is the only one that is correct and that all others are propagating lies.

The authors of each of these versions whoever they are did not write thinking they are propagating lies. They thought it will be useful.
 
King Ravana – More Than Just A Rakshasa

King Ravana – More Than Just A Rakshasa

Please note that this post is just to share a Mythology , NOT TO ARGUE ON THE OTHER POSTS ALREADY SUBMITTED HERE OR CONTINUE FURTHER CONVERSATION ON THIS SUBJECT.

Mythology

Early Life



Ravana was born to the Brahmin sage known as Vishrava, and his wife Kaikesi, the Daityas princess. Kaikesi’s father, Sumali, king of the Daityas, wished her to marry the most powerful being in the mortal world, so as to produce an exceptional heir. Sumali rejected the other kings of the world, since they were less powerful than him. Kaikesi searched among the sages, and finally chose Vishrava. Vishrava warned her that because she had approached him at an inappropriate time, their children would tend towards evil, but accepted her request for marriage nevertheless. As such, Ravana was partly Daitya, and partly Brahmin. The name that he was given at birth was Dashanana/Dasagriva, referring to the fact that he was born with ten heads.


While Ravana proved to be aggressive and arrogant in nature during his youth, he was also an exemplary scholar. Under Vishrava’s tutelage, Ravana mastered the Vedas and the holy books and also the arts. Sumali, his grandfather, worked hard in secret to ensure that he retained the ethics of the Daityas. Ravana was also devoted to the Hindu god Brahma.

Following his initial training, he performed an intense penance lasting several thousand years to Lord Brahma. Pleased with his austere penance, Brahma offered Ravana a boon. Ravana asked for immortality, a request which Brahma refused. Ravana then asked for absolute invulnerability and supremacy before the gods and heavenly spirits, as well as the demons, serpents, and wild beasts. Contemptuous of mortal beings, Ravana did not ask for protection from humans. Brahma granted him these boons, and also provided him with great strength by way of sorcery and knowledge of divine weapons.


Conquests



After winning these boons, Ravana sought out his grandfather Sumali and assumed leadership over his army. He then set his sights upon Lanka, an idyllic island society created by the celestial architect Vishvakarmaa for Kubera, the treasurer of the Gods. Kubera was also the son of Vishrava, and had generously shared all that he owned with Kaikesi’s children. Ravana, however, demanded Lanka in its entirety from him, threatening to take it by force. Vishrava advised Kubera to give up the island to Ravana, who was now virtually invincible. Although Ravana initially took Lanka by force, he was nevertheless regarded as a benevolent and effective ruler since life on the island flourished under his rule.


Following his conquest of Lanka, Ravana encountered Lord Shiva at his abode upon Mount Kailash. Unknowingly, Ravana attempted to uproot and move the mountain on a whim. Shiva, annoyed by Ravana’s arrogance, pressed his smallest toe on Kailash, pinning Ravana firmly underneath. Once Ravana was informed of whom he had crossed, he became penitent. For several years he sang songs praising Shiva, until the destroyer god released him from his bondage. Pleased with his bravery and devotion, Shiva granted Ravana further strength, awarding him the Chandrahas (or “Moon-blade”), an immensely powerful sword. Ravana in turn became a lifelong devotee of Lord Shiva. It is also during this incident that Ravana officially acquired his name, which was given to him by Shiva and means “(He) of the terrifying roar,” referring to the fact that the earth is said to have quaked with Ravana’s cry of pain when the mountain was pinned upon him.Ravana’s abilities were by now truly awe-inspiring, and so he set out confidently on a series of campaigns to conquer human and celestial beings alike. After vanquishing several kingdoms of the human world, he performed the suitable sacrifices and was crowned emperor. Kubera at one point chastised Ravana for his cruelty and greed, to which Ravana responded by invading the heavens and defeating the devas, singling out his half-brother Kubera for particular humiliation. By the time of the Ramayana, several hundred years later, Ravana is shown as dominating all human and divine races, to the extent that he can dictate when the sun rises and sets.


Wives and Womanizing



Ravana was also known for his aggressive “conquests” of women. He had several wives, foremost of whom was Mandodari, a woman often compared to Sita for her wisdom, grace, beauty, and chastity. Ravana’s wives bore him seven sons: Indrajit, Prahasta, Atikaya, Akshayakumara, Devantaka, Narantaka, and Trishira. In addition to his wives, Ravana maintained a harem of incredible size, populated with women whom he captured over the course of his many conquests, many of whom allegedly lived happily under Ravana’s captivity on account of his virility and wisdom. Nonetheless, Ravana often forced himself upon any woman who rejected his advances.


It was just this type of rambunctious sexuality that led Ravana into a number of compromising situations. The first was the molestation of the sage-woman Vedavati. Vedavati had been performing penance with the intention of winning Lord Vishnu for a husband. Ravana first eyed her while she sat in her hermitage, her beauty enhanced by the austerities she had performed. Vedavati rejected his advances, so Ravana proceeded to forcibly take her, during which time she prophesied that she would return to the mortal world as the cause of his death. She then created a pyre and threw herself upon it. She was re-born as Sita, thus becoming Vishnu’s wife in his incarnation as Rama, the cause of Ravana’s defeat.


Another example of Ravana’s unmitigated lust was his encounter with the apsara Rambha, another female upon whom he forced himself. Rambha was betrothed to Kubera’s son, and so she pleaded to Ravana that she was essentially kin to him, but this did not deter him. Angered at this, Kubera’s son cursed Ravana, stating that his ten heads would fall off if he forced himself upon any woman from that point on.

These acts of sexual impropriety culminated in Ravana’s decision to kidnap Sita, an act to which all his previous transgressions pale in comparison. This fateful chain of events begin earlier on in the lives of both Rama and Ravana, each of whom was in attendance for the ceremony in which Sita was to choose her husband. In order to determine the suitor, Sita’s father King Janaka challenged that any worthy young men should complete the task of wielding the immense bow of Shiva in order to win his daughter’s hand. While Rama completed the task handily, Ravana was almost crushed when the bow teetered atop him.

Ravana came back into contact with Sita years later after her and Rama, along with his brother Lakshman, had been banished to the forest. Ravana’s sister Surpanakha attempted to seduce Rama and Lakshman while they were stationed here. The two brothers resisted her temptations, and mutilated her as punishment for her actions. When Surpanakha reported this to Ravana, a plan for revenge hatched in his mind. He sent to the forest a rakshasas disguised as a golden deer. Upon seeing the deer, both Rama and Lakshman were lead off in its pursuit, while Sita stayed behind at the ashram unprotected. At this point, Ravana crept up on a vulnerable Sita and kidnapped her. The discovery of Sita’s absence prompted Rama and Lakshman to partake on a hazardous search to find her. Sita remained under the captivity of Ravana for one year, all the while protecting her chastity at all costs, completely unwavering in her resolve despite Ravana’s courting, cajoling, and assorted threats.

Defeat at the Hands of Rama




After overcoming numerous arduous challenges, Rama entered into Lanka in order to confront Ravana and rescue his wife. Rama offered Ravana a final chance to make peace, suggesting that he immediately return Sita and apologize to both him and his wife. As a minister and brother of Ravana, Vibhishana also advised Ravana to return the kidnapped Sita. However, Ravana rejected these attempts to avoid battle, going so far as to banish his brother from his kingdom. Vibhishana immediately sought protection from Sri Rama, which was granted without hesitation, allowing him to become a great devotee of Rama; in turn, Rama was assisted by Vibhishana, whose knowledge of Ravana’s proficiency with black magic and mystical weapons allowed Rama to gain a strategic advantage in the ensuing battle. On the battlefield, Rama slew the most powerful rakshasas commanders, along with hundreds of thousands of rakshasas soldiers, aided by the Vanaras, a race of monkey-men who fought alongside him. In an attempt to create divisions in Rama’s ranks, Ravana convinced the Vanaras that Rama considered them to be no more than lowly, expendable animals. However, the faithful monkeys dismissed Ravana’s claims and continued to fight.

With his rakshasas neutralized, Ravana was forced to square off against Lord Rama. In their initial battle, Ravana was severely injured, and his chariot and weapons were destroyed. Due to this injury, Rama allowed Ravana to live and return to fight another day. In their next meeting, Ravana unleashed the full extent of his magical abilities while making full use of the boons given to him by Shiva and Brahma.

After a drawn-out battle, Rama successfully decapitated Ravana’s central head, but another promptly arose in its place. Rama went on to decapitate this head, only to find yet another growing in its place. This re-growth occurred because of a vessel of amrit, the nectar of immortality, which Ravana had stored in his stomach. This cycle of decapitation and regeneration continued on until twilight, when Ravana’s magical powers became even more pronounced. At this point, Vibhishana informed Rama of why Ravana’s heads were regenerating. Rama then invoked the brahmastra, a weapon of mass destruction, and fired the great arrow into Ravana’s midsection, destroying the cache of amrit. With the amrit no longer in effect, Ravana met his demise and Sita was freed.

Depiction



In congruence with his mythological descriptions, Ravana is depicted in art with up to ten heads. His ten heads earned him the names Dashamukha (“The ten-faced”), Dashagriva (“The ten-necked”) and Dashakantha (“Ten Throats”). Ravana is also pictured with up to 20 hands, signifying his greed and never-ending want. To illustrate his military might, each and every one of his hands contains a weapon, including the trident, the conch, and the chakra (discus), among others. His skin is typically blue. As the personification of all evil, Ravana has been a popular subject of folk art and sculpture throughout India and Sri Lanka, as well as many other regions to which the Ramayana has spread. One of the most famous depictions is a 45-foot idol of Ravana located in Khonpura in Madhya Pradesh.

Legacy



Ravana’s malevolent spirit was not exhausted with his death at the climax of Ramayana; rather, his legacy of evil was reiterated and revisited mythological and theologically in many later Hindu texts. In the Bhagavata Purana, for instance, Ravana and his brother, Kumbakarna were said to be reincarnations of Jaya and Vijaya, gatekeepers at Vaikunthah, the abode of Vishnu and were cursed to be born on Earth by the Sanatah Kumara monks after refusing these holy men entry. The all-merciful Vishnu agreed that they should be punished but agreed to mitigate their curse. He asked them whether they would want to undergo seven births as devotees of Vishnu or three births as enemies of the Lord. Since they wanted to get back to Vaikunthah as soon as possible, they agreed to be born in three births as enemies of God. In their second of these births, it is said that they were born as Ravana and Kumbakarna.


Despite his villainous behavior, Ravana is still commonly acknowledged as a great character. He is considered to have possessed several important virtues, the foremost being his knowledge of the sacred books, medicines, and sorcery. Ravana was also a great devotee of Shiva, and is supposed to have composed the dance known as the Shiva Tandava Stotra, according to legend. Further, his skillful leadership is often noted; although Ravana initially took Lanka by force, he was nevertheless an effective ruler, bringing times of great prosperity to the island during his rule. With this in mind, citizens of Khonpura worship their Ravana idol during the Dussera festival, an occasion wherein worshippers everywhere else burn his effigy.


His successes notwithstanding, Ravana was a tragic figure who engendered his own demise with his unfettered sexual desire and his imperious militarism. As could be expected, he continues to endure as the archetypal villain in the Hindu tradition, and is still identified as such by Hindus today.

http://www.templepurohit.com/king-ravana-more-than-just-a-rakshasa/
 
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When it is a Myth, as accepted by the writer, what is the necessity of such elaborate description about Ravan, especially his personal life?
 
I think men were jealous of Ravan..with his good looks..brains and strength..I am sure females were lining up in queue waiting to enter his harem.

So some lesser mortal males must have go real jealous and portrayed him as a womanizer etc.

After all Dasharatha himself had 364 wives!

So imagine..Dasharatha only got one day rest in a year but no one talks ill about Dasharatha when it comes to women.

Totally unfair..Ravana is always slandered.
 
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