Why is life not so simple?

[Govinda]

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To All,


Why are we grinding on the same old topics? Why aren't we talking about fixing the issues?

70% of Brahmins are atheists or non-practitioners these days. All those (any-caste) who would not perform vaidika karma (in contact with idols) or seek Brahma-gnyAnam now or in the near future, can help clean up India. India desperately needs volunteers to educate, police the masses and clean-up the the garbage [not just s**t, but e-waste, river-pollution).

Being a forum of intelligent people, you guys should come up with solutions. Do, we have any NGO to provide such education, and other solutions to this perennial problem?

For the sake of bringing life to the ancient Punya-bhumya, we shoud educate the masses on eating less and small, required portions of food, so they can produce less dump. And every public toileter, should compost their own dump! Ban all road-side food stalls, fast-food shops. No food can be eaten on the roads, and heavily fine the littering idiot [like in US].

I hear one toilet-cleaner saying, "these dumb women eat 4-5 idilis for 5Rs. and will dump only on the road-side, not in the flushable ones". Why are the educated, elite people silent on Hygiene and Discipline???

Also, One only needs a 10z of rice/beans/veggies twice a day and 2 8oz of milk, no need of any fruits. If those limited items are harvested, we could feed whole India easily. Why are so much other junkies made/produced and make India unhealthy and sick? Why invest in healthcare, research fighting diseases?

Why would people need more money than that money for food, simple education and few bills (electricity etc.) and a small home. Why are Indians greedy for money and want to show of money and create competitions?

Why is life not so simple?

 

[sangom]

To All,


Why are we grinding on the same old topics? Why aren't we talking about fixing the issues?

70% of Brahmins are atheists or non-practitioners these days. All those (any-caste) who would not perform vaidika karma (in contact with idols) or seek Brahma-gnyAnam now or in the near future, can help clean up India. India desperately needs volunteers to educate, police the masses and clean-up the the garbage [not just s**t, but e-waste, river-pollution).

Being a forum of intelligent people, you guys should come up with solutions. Do, we have any NGO to provide such education, and other solutions to this perennial problem?

For the sake of bringing life to the ancient Punya-bhumya, we shoud educate the masses on eating less and small, required portions of food, so they can produce less dump. And every public toileter, should compost their own dump! Ban all road-side food stalls, fast-food shops. No food can be eaten on the roads, and heavily fine the littering idiot [like in US].

I hear one toilet-cleaner saying, "these dumb women eat 4-5 idilis for 5Rs. and will dump only on the road-side, not in the flushable ones". Why are the educated, elite people silent on Hygiene and Discipline???

Also, One only needs a 10z of rice/beans/veggies twice a day and 2 8oz of milk, no need of any fruits. If those limited items are harvested, we could feed whole India easily. Why are so much other junkies made/produced and make India unhealthy and sick? Why invest in healthcare, research fighting diseases?

Why would people need more money than that money for food, simple education and few bills (electricity etc.) and a small home. Why are Indians greedy for money and want to show of money and create competitions?

Why is life not so simple?

Dear Shri Govinda,

When you state brazenly "70% of Brahmins are atheists or non-practitioners these days. All those (any-caste) who would not perform vaidika karma (in contact with idols) or seek Brahma-gnyAnam now or in the near future, can help clean up India. India desperately needs volunteers to educate, police the masses and clean-up the the garbage [not just s**t, but e-waste, river-pollution).", I sense that you consider that the theist, practicing brahmins as also people of othercastes who perform vaidika karma in contact with idols and all people who claim that they are on their path to Brahmajnaanam, are all exempt, according to your 'Dharmasastra' from the task of "help clean up India"!

As an agnostic tabra who does not perform any vaidika karma and also does not claim to be on the path to Brahmajnaanam myself, I sincerely feel that all the mess in India is created by the very people whom your edict exempts. Hence, it can be better interpreted as follows: Your exempted categories will be the new brahmins of the country, call them Govinda Brahmins who will continue the ancient task of polluting the rivers and make as much muck as possible, and the rest (your 'target population'), will be the new Govinda scavengers!!

Nice idea, you should be getting at least a Bharat Ratna next R.Day!!

Regarding junky foods, greed and ostentation, I am of the considered view that much of our upanishads wanted to emphasize the virtues of a simple life, but unfortunately, the composers of the upanishads were so much overconcerned with that elusive "Brahmam" and "Brahmajnaanam" concepts, that their emphasis got warped. Today, however, the western (and most importantly the US) influence in Indian life style is so pronounced that the materialistic life has become the be all and end all. It is difficult to change this trend when even the Indian Gurus and godmen love the luxurious western life styles and millions of Indians adore them as God.

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

Why is life not so simple?

Ever since people lost their power to
distinguish their NEED for their GREED
life has become more and more complicated!!!
It is like saying,
"I can forgo my necessities but I won't
compromise on my luxuries!!"

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

[h=1]தேவைகளைக் குறையுங்கள்.[/h]
செறிந்த அறிவினன் ஆத்மா ஆயினும்,
சிறந்த உடலின்றி இயங்க இயலாதவன்;
துரத்தும் கரும வினைகளை அழிக்கவும்,
துறந்த மனதுடன் சித்திக்கு முயலவும்;

கடமை உணர்வுடன் உடலைப் பேணுவீர்!
உடலே ஆத்மா குடியிருக்கும் கோவில்;
“சுவர் இருந்தால் தான் சித்திரம் எழுத”,
உடல் இருந்தால் தான் முக்திக்கு முயல!

ஊனுடன் உயிர் கலந்து வாழ்ந்திட,
தேவைகள் சில நாம் பூர்த்தி செய்குவோம்;
தேனும், பாலும் எனத் தம் தேவைகளை,
வானளவாக வளர்த்த வேண்டாம்.

எத்தனை பொருட்கள் தேவை என்போமா,
அத்தனை பொருட்களின் வசத்தில் சிக்குவோம்;
எத்தனை பொருட்கள் தேவை இல்லையோ,
அத்தனைக்கத்தனை விடுதலை அடைவோம்.

“அகழ்வாரை தாங்கும்” பூமி இருக்க,
அகன்ற கட்டில் , மெத்தைகள் எதற்கு?
திண்ணென்று இரு நீள் கரங்கள் இருக்க,
திண்டினைத் தேடி, நாடுவது எதற்கு?

கனி, காய்கறிகள் பசி தீர்க்கும் எனில்,
இனிக்கும் உணவினைத் தேடுவது எதற்கு?
பருத்தி ஆடைகளே மானம் மறைப்பதால்,
பகட்டான ஜரிகை பட்டாடைகள் எதற்கு?

புன்னகையால் முகம் பொலிவுடன் இருக்க,
பொன்னகையைத் தேடி போவது எதற்கு?
சின்ன இல்லத்தில், சீரிய வாழ்வு என்னாமல் ,
மின்னலைத் தொட்டிடும் மாளிகைகள் எதற்கு?

தன் தலைமுறை வாழ வழி செய்தாலும்,
பின் ஏழு தலைமுறைக்கு சேர்ப்பது எதற்கு?
பளபளக்கும் பேருந்து பயணம் இருக்க,
குளுகுளு வண்டிகளை வாங்குவது எதற்கு?

“மரத்தை வைத்தவன் தண்ணீர் ஊற்றுவான்”
மற்ற உயிரினங்கள் முற்றும் நம்புகின்றன,
மனிதன் மட்டும் “இன்னமும் வேண்டும்”, என
மாளாத் துயரைத் தேடிச் செல்கிறான்.

தேவையைக் குறைத்துக் கொள்ளுங்கள்,
சேவையை பெருக்கிப் பாருங்கள்;
தனக்கென வாழ்பவனுக்கு தன்னிறைவில்லை,
தனக்கென வாழாதான் தன்னிறைவடைகிறான்.

வாழ்க வளமுடன்,
விசாலாக்ஷி ரமணி

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

MINIMIZE YOUR NEEDS!

Atman is pure knowledge and bliss, but it can function only through a body!
To get out of the karma, the endless cycle of births and deaths and attain liberation, Atman has to do sAdhanA through a body.

So everyone of us mus take adequate care of our physical body. It is the living temple of the God within. To keep the body and soul together, we need certain bare necessities in life.

We don’t have to make the list of our requirements a very long one! The more the number of things we depend on for our happiness, the more bonded we become. The more things we willingly give up, the more liberated we become.

When the firm, clean ground is a good enough bed, why do we go for cots and super comfort beds?

When our arms can serve well as warm pillows , why do we go for sponge pillows?

When raw fruit and a simple meal is enough to sustain us, why do we go in search of fancy food, with fancy names and fancy tastes and flavors?

When the simple cotton clothes are enough for our modesty, why do we go for silk and brocade dresses?

When a hearty smile is enough to light up the face and make it beautiful, why do we buy jewels made of gold, platinum and diamonds?

When a small clean house is enough to live in, why do we build sprawling houses?

Even after amassing enough wealth to last for 7 generations, why do we still run after money all the time?

When the public transports are good enough for our travel, why do we need A.C cars?

All the other creatures depend on nature to provide for their needs. Only man has an insatiable desire for everything in life and loses his equanimity, peace of mind and ruins his precious health.

Minimize your needs! Maximize your services rendered to the others. A selfish man is never really happy and a selfless-man is never really sad.

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

[h=1]வணங்கா முடிகள்.[/h]
முன்பு சில கோவில்களின் அர்ச்சகர்கள்,
திருமணம் செய்து கொள்ளாது இருந்தனர்;

அன்புடன் அரசன் அவர்களை அழைத்தாலும்,
வரும்படி அவனையே அவர்கள் பணிப்பார்கள்.

ஆத்ம பலம் மிகுந்திருந்ததால், அவர்கள்
அஞ்சவில்லை அரசனின் ஆணைகளுக்கு.

அரசனும் வேண்டும்போது எல்லாம்
பரம பணிவுடன் தானே சென்று வந்தான்.

கல்யாணம் அவர்கள் செய்து கொண்டதும்,
கதை தலை கீழாய் மாறிவிட்டது அங்கே!

முண்டி அடித்துக் கொண்டு அவர்கள்
முன் நிற்பார், அரசனைக் காண வேண்டி.

குடும்பம் பெருகிவிடவே, அவர்களின்
வரும்படி போதவில்லை போலும்.

கொடுக்கும் பிரசாதங்களுக்கு அரசனிடம்
கொடைகள் கேட்டாயினும் பெறலாயினர்.

வணங்கா முடிகள் முழுவதுமாக மாறி,
வணங்கும் முடிகள் ஆன விந்தையை

எண்ணி எண்ணி வியந்து சிரித்தான்,
மண்ணை ஆளும் சிறந்த மகாராஜன்.

வாழ்க வளமுடன்,
விசாலாக்ஷி ரமணி.

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

ATMA BALAM.

When certain temple priests were bachelors they refused to go to the palace to meet the King.They always made the king come to them, for anything he or they might need.They were rich in Atma Balam and so the King did not mind visiting them.

But once they got married and begot children, they started making a bee line to the palace for any puny reason – so that they will get extra DhakshinA from the king to meet their ever growing expenditure.

The King felt amused to watch them, wondering how much the grahastAs differed from the brahmachAris!

எணà¯￾ணஙà¯￾களினà¯￾ வணà¯￾ணகà¯￾ கலவை | A rainbow of thoughts relating Mankind to God and the World.

 

[Raji Ram]

The sanitary napkin is a must for women folk. The famous writer Sri. Sujatha once wrote that SingArach Chennai reminds

him of 'beach walkers' and road sides littered with sanitary pads! Now, the children are supposed to use diapers upto the age

of three! These diapers are NOT eco friendly and will not perish because of the absorbent materials used. One of my cousins

told me that her grand kids go to a play school, where diapers are NOT allowed. They do not visit the toilet room at school.

As soon as they return form school, they hurriedly wear the diapers to go '1' and '2'! She also told me that her daughter spent

nearly Rs. 3 lakhs just on diapers for her twin kids in the last two years!

Friends! What do you say?

 

[renuka]

When our arms can serve well as warm pillows , why do we go for sponge pillows?

[/QUOTE]

Dear VR ji,

Never ever use the arm as a pillow.

It is one of the major causes for nerve compression and can lead to lack of sensation and temporary paralysis of the arm.

Diabetics should never use the arm as a pillow cos the weight of our head will compress blood vessels and cause decrease blood supply to fingers.

One can sleep without a pillow but never use the arm as a pillow.

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

I stand corrected dear Renu!
These ideas are from a spiritual book
by Saint. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa.
The main point stressed here is that
we must manage with what we have
instead of chasing and running behind
comforts and luxuries all our lives!

 

[Raji Ram]

The saints can say anything to tame our minds! But most of their advice can not be followed by normal humans.

How many of us can sleep just on the floor - that too without a pillow, eat only raw veg and fruits, wear only simple dress

with no gold jewelry? :noidea:

 

[renuka]

The saints can say anything to tame our minds! But most of their advice can not be followed by normal humans.

How many of us can sleep just on the floor - that too without a pillow, eat only raw veg and fruits, wear only simple dress

with no gold jewelry? :noidea:

Dear VR ji,

I don't wear gold...I love eating raw vegetables more than cooked ones..I love fruits better than anything else..cos it is healthier and no need to spend time cooking.
I don't like pillows...but I sleep on a bed no doubt.
I like to wear nice clothings but not silk.

So only 2 points I lose out.!!..sleeping on bed and wearing nice clothes.

So not bad..I can become a Mataji soon!LOL

 

[C RAVI]

The saints can say anything to tame our minds! But most of their advice can not be followed by normal humans.

How many of us can sleep just on the floor - that too without a pillow, eat only raw veg and fruits, wear only simple dress

with no gold jewelry? :noidea:

We can have anything that we can afford and enjoy life. But, the desires should not be such fixated that the person feel depressed and become bitter for not getting everything he/she desires. People can strive for better but should not starve for its lack at the moment.

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear VR ji,

I don't wear gold...I love eating raw vegetables more than cooked ones..I love fruits better than anything else..cos it is healthier and no need to spend time cooking...............

What is happening in our forum, Renu? Kunjuppu Sir wrote to my Sis in reply to my post!

And now... you!! :lol:

 

[renuka]

What is happening in our forum, Renu? Kunjuppu Sir wrote to my Sis in reply to my post!

And now... you!! :lol:

Dear RR ji,

Oops!

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

Dear VR ji,

I don't wear gold...I love eating raw vegetables more than cooked ones..I love fruits better than anything else..cos it is healthier and no need to spend time cooking.
I don't like pillows...but I sleep on a bed no doubt.
I like to wear nice clothings but not silk.

So only 2 points I lose out.!!..sleeping on bed and wearing nice clothes.

So not bad..I can become a Mataji soon!LOL

Dear Renu!
You might be more qualified than any one else here! :clap2:

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

What is happening in our forum, Renu? Kunjuppu Sir wrote to my Sis in reply to my post!

And now... you!! :lol:

Dear Raji,
Think of it this way.
If 1 can become 2 or
1 can become even 3
why not 2 become 1 or
even 3 become 1???
Got it my dear???
We merge while the
others emerge!

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

The saints can say anything to tame our minds! But most of their advice can not be followed by normal humans.

How many of us can sleep just on the floor - that too without a pillow, eat only raw veg and fruits, wear only simple dress

with no gold jewelry? :noidea:

18. வைராக்யமே பரமசுகம்.

ஸுரமந்தி3ர தரு மூல நிவாஸ:
ச'ய்யா பூ4ஸ் தரு ஜனிதம் வாஸ: |
ஸர்வ பரிக்3ரஹ போ4க3 த்யாக3:
கஸ்ய ஸுகம் ந கரோதி விராக3: ||

கோவிலிலோ அல்லது மரத்தின் அடியிலோ வாசம்;
தரையே படுக்கை; மரப் பட்டைகளினால் செய்த உடை; தன்னுடைய எந்த உடமைப் பொருளையுமே அனுபவிக்காத வைராக்கியம்; இவை யாருக்குத் தான் சுகம் அளிக்காது?
பற்றற்ற நிலையே பரம சுகமானது.

Mohamudgaram /Bhaja Govindam by Aadi Sanakara.

​

 

[Raji Ram]

.........

கோவிலிலோ அல்லது மரத்தின் அடியிலோ வாசம்;
தரையே படுக்கை; மரப் பட்டைகளினால் செய்த உடை; தன்னுடைய எந்த உடமைப் பொருளையுமே அனுபவிக்காத வைராக்கியம்; இவை யாருக்குத் தான் சுகம் அளிக்காது?
பற்றற்ற நிலையே பரம சுகமானது.
...........​

Dear Sis,
​

I too sing this stanza of Bhaja Govindam but my question is how many of us can live like this?
Soon after getting up, we go in search of a hot coffee and internet!! :ranger:​

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Sis,

I don't know whether you read this post!

அடுத்தாத்தில் வாங்கியாச்சே!!

சில பெண்மணிகளின் மிக முக்கியமான வேலையே, அடுத்த வீட்டில் என்னென்ன வாங்கி வைக்கின்றார்கள் என்று 'அப்டேட்'

செய்து கொள்வதுதான்! அவர்கள் ஏதேனும் புதிதாக வாங்கினால், உடனே தானும் அதை வாங்கி வீட்டில் வைக்க வேண்டும்

என்று, தன் மணாளனைத் தொந்தரவு செய்ய ஆரம்பித்து, வாங்கிவிடுவார்கள். நான் இது போன்ற பல பெண்மணிகளைப்

பார்த்திருக்கிறேன். இவர்களை சந்தித்தால் பேசுவதற்கு வேறு விஷயமே கிடைக்காது. தன் வீட்டில் உள்ளவை நம்மிடம்

இருக்கின்றதா என்பதைச் 'செக்' செய்தே நம்மை ஒரு வழி செய்துவிடுவார்கள்!


ஒரு முறை இது போன்ற அவதார புருஷியை ஒரு திருமண வரவேற்பில் சந்தித்தேன். எப்பொழுதும் போல தன்

'அப்டேட்டிங்'கை ஆரம்பித்தாள். இதோ எங்கள் உரையாடல்:

'ராஜி, உங்க ஆத்தில ரைஸ் குக்கர்ல சமைப்பியா?'

'எங்கிட்ட பிரஷர் குக்கர்தான் இருக்கு!'

'ஆடோமெடிக் வாஷிங் மெஷின் வச்சிருக்கயோ?'

'அதுல நிறையத் தண்ணி வீணாகுமே; அதனால, எனக்கு 'செமி ஆடோமெடிக் மெஷின்'தான் பிடிக்கும்!'

'ரெண்டு பேர் சமையலுக்கு தினம் தினம் சமைக்கத் தேவையே இல்லை! நிறைய சமைச்சு வச்சுட்டு, அப்பப்போ 'மைக்ரோ

வேவ்'ல சூடு பண்ணிச் சாப்பிடலாம்! அப்படித்தானே?'

'மைக்ரோ வேவ் வாங்கலை! அப்பப்போ ஃப்ரெஷ் சமையல்தான்!'

'இன்டக்ஷன் ஸ்டவ் இல்லாம இந்தக் காலத்தில மேனேஜ் பண்ணவே முடியலைம்மா!'

'அதுவும் எங்கிட்ட இல்லை! காஸ் சிலின்டர் ரெண்டு இருக்கும்போது அது தேவையில்லை!'

'அப்போ ஒங்க ஆத்தில ஒண்ணுமே இல்லையா?'

இதற்கு மேல் என்னால் பொறுமையாக பதில் சொல்ல முடியவில்லை! ஒரு சின்னச் சிரிப்புடன் சொன்னேன், 'ஆமாம்!

கரெக்டாச் சொன்னேள்! எங்காத்துல ஒண்ணுமே இல்லாததால், ரொம்ப ஃப்ரீயா வீடு முழுக்கக் காலை வீசி நடக்கலாம்!

ஒரு தடவை வந்து பாருங்களேன்!'
நமக்கு எது தேவையோ அதை மட்டும் வாங்கினால் போதாதோ? எதற்கு வரட்டு கௌரவம்? :horn:

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

Dear Sis,
​

I too sing this stanza of Bhaja Govindam but my question is how many of us can live like this?
Soon after getting up, we go in search of a hot coffee and internet!! :ranger:​

He/ She who can do it becomes a saint or is already one! :hail:
If We can minimize our needs and put out our greed
that is more than enough for people like us!
"Pothum endra maname pon seyyum marunthu!"
My guru used to say,
'Nothing wrong in enjoying what we have
when given to us by our good fortune,
but there is no need to run after everything we see!"

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

ref #20 . Yes dear I did.

It is called as "keeping up with the Joneses"

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

Dear Sis,
​

I too sing this stanza of Bhaja Govindam but my question is how many of us can live like this?
Soon after getting up, we go in search of a hot coffee and internet!! :ranger:​

We at least go for a cup of coffee AFTER we get up.
Some people LIE awake for the stroke of four (A.M!!!) for drinking coffee!! :faint:

 

[Govinda]

Some people LIE awake for the stroke of four (A.M!!!) for drinking coffee!! :faint:

They may be coffee addicts.

It takes 3 glasses of water to drain away that caffeine from the brain (but never from body). Also, it takes 6 hrs for caffeine to wean away naturally.
So, if people drink before bed-time, they are awake for early coffee.

So, I quit coffee.

I can't watch movies at all, and never in theaters. I dont watch TV. We as society should get rid of these

I use internet for e-books, documentaries on Youtube/videos. I have real books

 

[Govinda]

Dear Sis,
​

I too sing this stanza of Bhaja Govindam but my question is how many of us can live like this?
Soon after getting up, we go in search of a hot coffee and internet!! :ranger:​

Well said. But, We need to check office emails or production jobs at home, sometimes. So, we need them.

Plus, if we can share our knowledge, we should participate in forums. Plus, there is so mcuh resource in the internet these days.

But, we should make it a point to spend some fixed, effective time.