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பழநி மலைக்கோயிலில் ஸ்டாலின் மனைவி துர்க&

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dear TVK,

periyar (1879- 1973) was close to rajaji (1878 - 1972) in age, ie close to 90 when the former died. so the effort must have been high to stay with rajaji's funeral. also periyar was incontinent and needed help in just about every bodily function, i heard.

always wondered why the tambram leaders of that age (early 1900s) did nothing to counter periyar's arguements. rajaji's one response to antibrahminism, was that it always existed, and nothing could be done about it.which appeared to me a pretty lame excuse and cop out way of responding to what is a threat to his community.

how did the complacency come about? or was it arrogance? i really dont know. was it all a matter of winner take it all. did they not realize that the rules could be changed? always wondered about those things.

the net result of rajaji and his kula kalvi and the attitudes of the tambrams of those times, is the marginalization of the community now. i will not give periyar the credit for our diasporic existence..this moving out started early 1920s, with increased opportunities and money in jobs for the british govt and companies all over the india of those times (burma, ceylon etc).

1950s, when maximum migration occurred, delhi was the mecca of tambrams..the newly formed central government bureaucracy offered plum jobs and status. i have read a few of those experiences, and it was not only exhilarating but satisfying to participate in country building exercise of the nehru era - still by and large honest and uncorrupt.

the tambrams who have reinvented themselves have done well. just look at ananda vikatan now, and compare it with a 50s or 60s or even 70s edition. during those times, it was brahmin centred whereas now, there is hardly a drop of brahminism in it, in the various vikatan editions. same goes for tvs - 99% of their market is NB or non tamils - and they have a healthy level of NB management now, unheard of even 20 years ago.

us kerala pattars have a gripe against ems nambudripad. when the first communist govt came in 1957, ems passed these land reform acts, and overnight all the landlords lost their lands, with a token compensation. the hurt still lingers with many of the older generation, but what it did, was to drive the sons to education, and out of towns like palakkad or trichur, to bombay or mid east - where they did well.

a similar arguement could be said for periyar - thanks to loss of govt jobs, we have moved on to private sector and abroad and did exceedingly well. my girl cousin, 25 years ago, got 98% in PUC, denied medical admission in the then madras. she took biology, and moved on to immunology, to usa, and today she is a VP of a world renowned cutting edge biotech firm. a while ago, she mused, that mbbs denied, was probably the best thing that happened to her. .. :)


"also periyar was incontinent and needed help in just about every bodily function,"...

I may be wrong with his age but I have seen him walking with the aid of walking stick.. There might have been some assistants to help him in case needed but as per my friends he didn't take anybody's help.. I didn't went along with procession..

When I met him in person too there was nobody to assist him..and I remember he got up with his walking stick..


TVK
 
EVR is criticized and condemned because he was a hatemonger and he still continues to be a significant source of inspiration for all the hatemongers out there especially for the political aspirants because he showed a way for capturing power by selling hate. Not because of declining brahmin dominance in TN or his style of delivery as is claimed here. Tamil brahmins though definitely impacted by anti-brahmin Dravidian govts were able to escape TN in significant numbers because TN was/is still a part of Indian union, a choice that was not available to the hapless Srilankan Tamils, for example. It must have been quite a disappointment for EVR and dravidianists that their goals of separare tamil or dravida kingdom did not materialize and hence they could not completely annihilate brahmins. It is this disappointment that shows up in forums such as these occasionally.
 
But Kamsa never attacked Krishna just for popularity, to earn money , to get power to rule..or to be opportunist... Kamsa was Krishna's genuine enemy .. TVK
I know! But mentioned this because God is equivalent to enemy for an atheist, right Sir?
 
......but let us not digress ...
Though Kunjuppu Sir wrote this in post # 19, PeriyAr is still in this thread!!

He was only against brahmins and NOT against the services he got from brahmins! When he got sick

during his tour in Coimbatore district, my dad treated him and PeriyAr was thankful for the service! :)
 
I know! But mentioned this because God is equivalent to enemy for an atheist, right Sir?
No Mrs. RR, you can't be more wrong. God is an imaginary construct, how can an imaginary entity be an enemy of anybody, let alone an atheist. Lord Vishnu or Paramashiva can be an enemy of only some other theist who believes in the supremacy of some other God, say Shiva, or Vishnu, or Zeus, or Jesus, but none of them can ever be an enemy of an atheist as we don’t accept the reality of any supernatural entity. If there must be an enemy of an atheist it has to be superstition.

thanks ...
 

Thank you Prof. Sir for enlightening me!
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Dear kk Sir,

You are right. This is a perfect example of hypocrisy which is an essential requisite for doing politics. These are not Rajaji, Kamaraj or Kakkan's days. These are days of family politics where family gets precedence over everything else. Even in respect of their religious views, families get exception-they are free to do what they like. So also is their affection to Tamil language. They want children in Tamil Nadu study only Tamil whereas these politicos send their children to the choicest English medium schools in some hill station or abroad. Have you heard any of these politicians children study in a Government school? It is finally the common folk who suffer for want of a proper education. It is all our destiny.
 
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: "கடவுள் நம்பிக்கை இல்லை' என கூறும், தி.மு.க., தலைவர் கருணாநிதியின் மருமகள், பொருளாளர் ஸ்டாலின் மனைவி துர்கா, பழநி மலைக்கோயிலில், சுவாமி தரிசனம் செய்தார்.....[DINAMALAR..]


தன்னோட குடும்பத்துல உள்ளவங்களே இப்டி இருக்குறப்போ அடுத்தவங்க பண்ற பூஜை, சடங்குகள எப்டி வெக்கமில்லாம கிண்டல், கேலி பண்ண முடியுது????...[Comment...]



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You are right sir. Brahmin hating or hating anybody including God is counter productive and will not last. EVR hated many things, and brahmins were perhaps on top of his list. All his hate subjects are flourishing.

He is already forgotten; DK members write pappan ozhiga in front of their one room office and then visit nearby iyer club for nashta. Their answer is 'adu ayya sonnaru, idu enakku ishtam'!

MK and veeramani refer to his name only, never quote from EVR's writing. Misguided idealists may revere him in general terms, but for many tambrams and others he is a joke.

கால பைரவன்;192408 said:
EVR is criticized and condemned because he was a hatemonger and he still continues to be a significant source of inspiration for all the hatemongers out there especially for the political aspirants because he showed a way for capturing power by selling hate. Not because of declining brahmin dominance in TN or his style of delivery as is claimed here. Tamil brahmins though definitely impacted by anti-brahmin Dravidian govts were able to escape TN in significant numbers because TN was/is still a part of Indian union, a choice that was not available to the hapless Srilankan Tamils, for example. It must have been quite a disappointment for EVR and dravidianists that their goals of separare tamil or dravida kingdom did not materialize and hence they could not completely annihilate brahmins. It is this disappointment that shows up in forums such as these occasionally.
 
Enmity between Rajaji and Kamaraj is proverbial! All lead simple lives, and Kakkan could not afford good medical assistance.

Dear kk Sir,

You are right. This is a perfect example of hypocrisy which is an essential requisite for doing politics. These are not Rajaji, Kamaraj or Kakkan's days. These are days of family politics where family gets precedence over everything else. Even in respect of their religious views, families get exception-they are free to do what they like. So also is their affection to Tamil language. They want children in Tamil Nadu study only Tamil whereas these politicos send their children to the choicest English medium schools in some hill station or abroad. Have you heard any of these politicians children study in a Government school? It is finally the common folk who suffer for want of a proper education. It is all our destiny.
 
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