‘Porn sites root cause of all crimes’

[V.Balasubramani]

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‘Porn sites root cause of all crimes’ - The Hindu

The Supreme Court on Monday issued notice to the Union government on a petition seeking a ban on pornographic websites on the ground that their contents were the root cause of all crimes, especially offences against women and children.

A Bench of Justices B.S. Chauhan and J. Chelameswar acted on the petition filed by advocate Kamlesh Vaswani, who pointed out that almost every day there were reports of rape and that the rapists belonged to all ages, castes and religion. “In some cases, the accused disclosed to the police that they had watched pornography on mobile phones before committing the rape,” he said.

The petitioner said pornography material was easily downloaded from websites and sold in CDs, DVDs or chips and the Centre had the power under the existing laws to block these websites.


Source: ?Porn sites root cause of all crimes? - The Hindu

 

[renuka]

I guessed at much this must be something from India when I saw the title of the thread.

I beg to differ to a certain extent.

I am sure some members here would have watched porn at least sometime in their lives and I am pretty sure no one wanted to "rape" after that.

But as I said once before I still have to give the benefit of the doubt that a made in India male mind might get "excited" even with the slightest stimulation cos we have seen from time immemorial in Indian movies especially Tamil movies people getting over excited about the "1st night or Shanti Muhurtam" and even the whole village starts dancing and breaking into song imagining what the newly weds could be gunning at.

So you see the Indian mind has been primed to get excited about sex from a very young age.This mind set has to change.

There is nothing to get so excited about sex..its just an consensual act between 2 humans who have decided to explore their feelings either due to lust or love or whatever you might want to call it.


Banning porn alone wont improve the situation cos suppression of desire would find other ways and means to express itself.

What would really help is to instill in both boys and girls to respect each other.

I have noted from most matrimonial sites that girls these days have hardly any respect for males..all they see in a potential husband is a money minting machine...no one believes in making life work out together with combined effort.

The male on the street on the other hand just sees a female as a walking human anatomy to fulfill his secret desires.

So both are at fault..learn to respect each other and problems can be handled.

So there is no use banning anything when the mind has not been conditioned to respect anyone.

 

[Raji Ram]

I too have always felt that the silver screen is the main cause of the crimes in our society! Even if a boy touches a girl, both

will get electric shocks! Right from the early cinemas, it is shown that a lady is doomed, if molested due to any circumstance!

And hence, the punishment given to any girl in the enemy camp is to molest her! A detailed version is also shown, to excite the

youngsters! In one movie, a wretched man is engaged (!!) to molest a rich girl; she will come in search of him to marry him!!!

The minds of Indian males are totally spoiled and now a days woman of any age is targeted for such a heinous crime. Added to

this are the porn sites, freely available even on mobile phones.

P.S: Tasmac shops are spread all over Tamil Nadu like mushrooms and govt. exhibits banners 'kudi kudiyaik kedukkum!!' :spit:

 

[munsaamy]

I had a very good laugh after reading the article. When people don't want to take responsibility for their own actions, they will reduce themselves to blame anything but themselves. This is a classic example.

Violence towards women was done in the past too. There was no cell phone, no porn sites in those days. Of course, it is slightly difficult to think that much.

"“In some cases, the accused disclosed to the police that they had watched pornography on mobile phones before committing the rape,” he said.".

Really? In so many cases, infact in all cases, religion based violence have erupted after the prayers. Are we going to see such and all prayers and bhajans banned?

 

[tks]

I guessed at much this must be something from India when I saw the title of the thread.

I beg to differ to a certain extent.

I am sure some members here would have watched porn at least sometime in their lives and I am pretty sure no one wanted to "rape" after that.

But as I said once before I still have to give the benefit of the doubt that a made in India male mind might get "excited" even with the slightest stimulation cos we have seen from time immemorial in Indian movies especially Tamil movies people getting over excited about the "1st night or Shanti Muhurtam" and even the whole village starts dancing and breaking into song imagining what the newly weds could be gunning at.

So you see the Indian mind has been primed to get excited about sex from a very young age.This mind set has to change.

There is nothing to get so excited about sex..its just an consensual act between 2 humans who have decided to explore their feelings either due to lust or love or whatever you might want to call it.


Banning porn alone wont improve the situation cos suppression of desire would find other ways and means to express itself.

What would really help is to instill in both boys and girls to respect each other.

I have noted from most matrimonial sites that girls these days have hardly any respect for males..all they see in a potential husband is a money minting machine...no one believes in making life work out together with combined effort.

The male on the street on the other hand just sees a female as a walking human anatomy to fulfill his secret desires.

So both are at fault..learn to respect each other and problems can be handled.

So there is no use banning anything when the mind has not been conditioned to respect anyone.

This is a more reasonable response in my view.

There has been prior discussions on this topic.

I think if a beggar sees a mansion or a rich person it is not automatic that the beggar will go and rob that person.
It takes a special mind to commit crime even in utmost poverty situation.

Rape has nothing to do with sexual feelings - it has to do with committing violence using sex organs

A line gets crossed when someone really wants to commit an act of violence.

Porn corrupts the mind, can cause addition and is bad for society but not for reasons provided in the OP.

There are criminals who are porn addicts, there are pedophiles who are porn addicts but all porn addicts are not criminals.

Banning in the internet age is near impossible. If laws are enacted to prohibit it will only serve as another avenue for bribe income for some.

Instead teaching good values in schools may have more positive deterrent . Good teachers who can teach without creating conflicts are rare - perhaps teaching teachers may be the first step

 

[CHANDRU1849]

It may be true that Porn Sites spoils minds, especially the younger generation.

Banning Porn Sites is a good thing, but, at the same, the Govt. must ensure that CDs/DVDs related to Pornography are not circulated freely in the market.

 

[krish44]

I guessed at much this must be something from India when I saw the title of the thread.

I beg to differ to a certain extent.

I am sure some members here would have watched porn at least sometime in their lives and I am pretty sure no one wanted to "rape" after that.

But as I said once before I still have to give the benefit of the doubt that a made in India male mind might get "excited" even with the slightest stimulation cos we have seen from time immemorial in Indian movies especially Tamil movies people getting over excited about the "1st night or Shanti Muhurtam" and even the whole village starts dancing and breaking into song imagining what the newly weds could be gunning at.

So you see the Indian mind has been primed to get excited about sex from a very young age.This mind set has to change.

There is nothing to get so excited about sex..its just an consensual act between 2 humans who have decided to explore their feelings either due to lust or love or whatever you might want to call it.


Banning porn alone wont improve the situation cos suppression of desire would find other ways and means to express itself.

What would really help is to instill in both boys and girls to respect each other.

I have noted from most matrimonial sites that girls these days have hardly any respect for males..all they see in a potential husband is a money minting machine...no one believes in making life work out together with combined effort.

The male on the street on the other hand just sees a female as a walking human anatomy to fulfill his secret desires.

So both are at fault..learn to respect each other and problems can be handled.

So there is no use banning anything when the mind has not been conditioned to respect anyone.

You know there are only extreme ideas about ladies/girls taught to us. good ones are devis/goddesses to be be worshipped and others sex objects to be subjected to all indignities. No one is ever is ever taught to respect ladies/girls and treat them as equals.The segregation that is practised even in co ed schools leads most to treat ladies/girls as akin to window shopping items ,only to be seen and not transacted with.where is the concept of respect on equal terms.?. the relative isolation of genders from each other is cause of most crimes.
Banning porn is stupid.It will lead only to more crime as then it becomes illegal to watch the same.In internet age it is not feasible

 

[tbs]

hi

this is mind set....i agreed somewhat with renuka....i saw a lot of porn shops in USA....here nobody bothers....if any body likes

they get it....thats it...nothing rape/molestation....rape/molestation is a crime....sex is not crime..if sex is crime then all

males has to go to jail......

 

[renuka]

Banning porn is stupid.

I fully agree.


BTW if its true that watching porn makes male more prone to commit rapes how come Females who watch porn do not go out on a Nymphomaniac session or "rape" any male?

So its not fair to ban porn just becos a bunch of males committed the crime of rape.

That way any male can get turned on walking into a temple where female statues/carvings on the walls are scantily clad..so what next..cover up even statues??

 

[vgane]

Rape/Molestation is a combination of several factors-moral upbringing, values that are instilled in children's mind, parental care and affection, friends circle, quality of school etc...

I liked the UAE way..You cannot access any pornography sites with all the ghastly and gory details...They are outrightly censored....

And include a severe punishment for rape!

The combination will work!

 

[renuka]

Rape/Molestation is a combination of several factors-moral upbringing, values that are instilled in children's mind, parental care and affection, friends circle, quality of school etc...

I liked the UAE way..You cannot access any pornography sites with all the ghastly and gory details...They are outrightly censored....

And include a severe punishment for rape!

The combination will work!

Dear Sir,

Have you seen those who come from countries that are too strict? When they visit countries that have more freedom they totally go out of control.

They are only well behaved in their own countries and become wild in other countries.

So nothing has changed.

 

[krish44]

I live in the rape capital of india.
Rapes are IMHO due to urban villages in delhi and a huge migrant population mostly singles having no outlets for gratification. The affluence of middle class and the elite and the open display of their wealth and partial display of human form by bad dressing by ladies is a driver for many rape related crimes. A callous attitude to women related crimes by common people and the police has made ladies very insecure. porno CDs and literature are hardly the main reasons for women molestations. It is just an add on to sex craved poor who are violent in behaviour towards ladies

 

[Raji Ram]

Sing. Chennai is slowly becoming unsafe for women. Women who work till late night in IT parks are targeted by the uneducated

construction works from other states! There was a murder case recently. It is causing concern. :sad:

 

[vgane]

As long as women are glorified and seen as sex object this mentality will continue!

Pl see the map below! It is only in Union Territories and Hill regions such as Himachal, Uttarakhand that Rapes are less!

Even a highly literate state like Kerala has high incidence of rape!

Overall Western India is safest for women!

So a combination of strong state level policing combined with a supporting legal system, respect for women as a culture needs to be there! Karnataka & TN , Gujarat are better off than many states!

 

[krish44]

MNCs And IT firms have spoilt the workculture. Ladies should be banned in these offices after 5pm or so . they should have regular working
hours.9-5pm. they claim to take steps for womens safety but these women are subject to crimes regularly.it is only a lip service.everytime
a gruesome crime happens ,these companies detail the steps they have taken . after a few days it is forgotten.
the basic issue is migration of the very poor with no skills to southern cities and urban capitals bombay,delhi .theyare given menial jobs and poor payments and are denied family life for months. this is the basic issue. unless alternative magnets are created in their own states to enable them to live a life of dignity and respect . ladies will continue to face these kind of problems. I know of many affluents in delhi who are thinking of sending their girl child abroad for education and jobs. the movement is taking place even at graduation levels in humanities seeing the safety aspects in delhi.It is no longer a city for ladies to live with safety and resoect

 

[V.Balasubramani]

We have been seeing Advertisements in TV shows, Movies and also in News papers, Magazines, flex boards, etc etc Though the Advertisements are shown only for few seconds, the producers ensure that it motivate/inspire/attract the viewer so that they patronize the brand. They believe that viewing that particular advt. for few seconds will stimulate/influence the viewer to think about the product and thus popularize it. It is certain that we are influenced by what we see, what we read and what we hear. Thus consumption of pornography will certainly also influence the mind of few, who may be aggressive too.

Read somewhere that James Kilpatric writes “Common sense is a better guide than laboratory experiments and common sense tells us that pornography is bound to contribute to sexual crime.”

 

[Raji Ram]

mEra Bharath mahAn... See how girls are depicted! :frusty:

The AXE Effect - Women

When will such advts stop? :noidea:

 

[V.Balasubramani]

In some of soft drink advts, I have seen that a person will be doing adventurous act either to get the particular product or after consumption of it. Such advertisements used to conclude with a warning ‘don’t try this’!!!! It is implied that there is a section which has a tendency to try things which excite them. This happens and one cannot deny this.

 

[dhikshita]

This is a more reasonable response in my view.

There has been prior discussions on this topic.

I think if a beggar sees a mansion or a rich person it is not automatic that the beggar will go and rob that person.
It takes a special mind to commit crime even in utmost poverty situation.

Rape has nothing to do with sexual feelings - it has to do with committing violence using sex organs

A line gets crossed when someone really wants to commit an act of violence.

Porn corrupts the mind, can cause addition and is bad for society but not for reasons provided in the OP.

There are criminals who are porn addicts, there are pedophiles who are porn addicts but all porn addicts are not criminals.

Banning in the internet age is near impossible. If laws are enacted to prohibit it will only serve as another avenue for bribe income for some.

Instead teaching good values in schools may have more positive deterrent . Good teachers who can teach without creating conflicts are rare - perhaps teaching teachers may be the first step

Dear Sir,
I fervently share with your views. As you suggested that good habits should be inculcated sex education in the minds of both young boys and girls at school level to create an awareness so that they could not arrive at a conclusion that sex should be an unwarranted/ untouchable item in life but should be taught as a source to maintain good physique in times of need after marriage and not before that , so that it would pave way for a healthy society. I don't know whether I am right or wrong but this natural urge should have an authentic and authoritative direction from one's mind in the form self control & discipline and none should be swim against nature.

 

[renuka]

mEra Bharath mahAn... See how girls are depicted! :frusty:

The AXE Effect - Women

When will such advts stop? :noidea:

Dear RR ji,

I liked the advert.

It showed many girls with slim well toned bodies and some had some silicone implants done too.

When the rib cage is very visible its very unlikely the mammary glands are naturally well endowed ..so you can make out the rather roundish low set semi circle mammary glands which indicate a job well done by a good plastic surgeon.

It's really nice to see so many hot babes amazonion style fighting to win the race for the one single male who most probably would have died when all the girls would have smothered him!LOL

There should be some Indian style add all Maamis run after in this same manner in their sarees and fight and pull each other's hair in the process ..all chasing after one pot bellied shirtless Maama using some male perfume.

Just imagine??

RR ji..the human body is made to be admired..its actually a master piece both while alive or on an autopsy table.

 

[renuka]

In some of soft drink advts, I have seen that a person will be doing adventurous act either to get the particular product or after consumption of it. Such advertisements used to conclude with a warning ‘don’t try this’!!!! It is implied that there is a section which has a tendency to try things which excite them. This happens and one cannot deny this.

yes sir..to a certain extent but mainly becos the company does not want to be legally responsible for anything.

Its just like when a patient asks me when I scan them "is my baby ok?"

I will reply "your baby is currently healthy"

The word currently is like a disclaimer like in case any unforeseen events take place later..so its just being legally cautious.

 

[indianassault]

In simple words, not all who watch porn , rape and not all who rape watch porn all the time ..

I am sure most of us , with the advent of internet, would have come across them . Its up to keeping things in control ourselves.

And recently supreme courts have been giving some bizarre judgments in trivial matters than matters of higher importance. I do not hear anything on 2g or coal allocation but hear about lgbt rights, pornography and BCCI.

 

[tks]

Dear Sir,
I fervently share with your views. As you suggested that good habits should be inculcated sex education in the minds of both young boys and girls at school level to create an awareness so that they could not arrive at a conclusion that sex should be an unwarranted/ untouchable item in life but should be taught as a source to maintain good physique in times of need after marriage and not before that , so that it would pave way for a healthy society. I don't know whether I am right or wrong but this natural urge should have an authentic and authoritative direction from one's mind in the form self control & discipline and none should be swim against nature.

Sri Dhikshita

I live in USA for almost four decades. I came here as a student at a time when so called sexual revolution was beginning to tone down.

In the hostels of IIT Kanpur back in mid 70s someone had acquired a set of porn pictures from the west. We did not even know the word Porn but many of us lined up to view this.

When I came to USA shortly after my friend and I who went to NY city was shocked to say the least the exhibits of porn material. The city has a far cleaner look now. While my friend and I were sort of scandalized and very judgmental of the 'degeneration of society' at large it did not stop us from sampling the material to the point we got bored! The fascination of this was gone.

Later when I found out about how there is a lot of exploitation in the industry too create new material I was completely repulsed at the thought of someone forced into this.

In my student days I did come across an American girl student who claimed she was doing part time porn to pay for college and she chose to be here and said all those who are judgmental of others are narrow minded.

My point relating all this is to say that it is by and large an exploitative industry like those of carpets that is sustained by forced child labor in India and elsewhere.

Exposure to porn is unavoidable because there are ways by which the information can reach even in highly policed states. All one will do is to create new classes of criminals and encourage more corruption.

Many children including my own have no fascination and are repulsed by the exploitation of the industry. In other-words all they can think of porn is exploitation of young men and women. Lives of male porn actors are also pathetic requiring to perform in inhumane conditions on demand.

Rather than judging others or banning such material best approach is inoculation (vaccination) against such material through teaching that is based on reason about Dharmic values in one's life.

When my son at age of 13 discovered online porn and argued about free speech I asked him to make one commitment before browsing any of the content online. He agreed and asked my condition. I told him "you cannot watch alone and anytime you feel like you are curious you and I will watch together'" . I told him I will help him find what he wants and insisted on one session. The whole experience was such a turn off for him that he said I spoiled the image about this and whenever his friends talked about any porn all he could imagine was me sitting next to him scientifically explaining what is going on LoL

The criminal act of rape etc is not caused by this and those that are purporting such views are not well informed in my view

 

[biswa]

Hmm, Mr. TKS, the session with your son sounds rather traumatic. I dont know if I could do that. Are you really that clinical?

 

[tks]

Hmm, Mr. TKS, the session with your son sounds rather traumatic. I dont know if I could do that. Are you really that clinical?

That was many years ago - he still remembers the discussions

He is now doing PhD at MIT, has founded a company in parallel and is very focused in his activities.

May be my clinical approach may or may not have had any effect but whatever it is he got turned off by the whole industry.

My larger point was that one cannot stop the flow of such information - all we can do is to protect ourselves and our children by going past the issues through some kind of 'vaccination'!

They are exposed to lot of our teaching and its application to their daily life as teenagers. I am sure that had some influence as well

The clinical aspect of interaction at the time was experimental on my part as a 'learning parent' - not sure if that has anything to do with my son's losing interest that time. Regardless it was good luck to say the least