A careful look at our mythology..........

[V.Balasubramani]

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Pranams to all,


Just read which I love to share:

Among all the 27 stars only two stars were prefixed with 'Thiru' i.e.

(1) Thiruvonam(Sravana), and
(2) Thiruvadirai(Arudra)

While the first one is the star of Lord Vishnu and second one is of Lord Siva.

Lord Ranganatha faces south in Srirangam,(Boologa Vaikuntam) . Lord Siva, dancing the Cosmic dance, facing South at Chidambaram. The month of Margazhi or Margaseersha is special for both Lord Vishnu and Lord Siva, for both Vaikunta Ekadasi and Arudhra Darsan fall in this month. The southern direction is said to be the direction of Yama Dharma, the Lord of Death. It is quite significant for the Devotees to note that both the Dieties face southwards, symbolising that they are to protect devotees whose mind is fixed stedfastly on God.

One day Lord Vishnu, reclining on His servant bed, gave a contented laugh. Adi Desha, the serpent, asked Him why He had laughed. Lord Mahavishnu replied that He had seen the Cosmic Dance of Siva and it had been a joyous sight. Adi Sesha wanted to witness this dance too. So he was born on this earth with half his body being that of a snake, and was named Patanjali. He went to Chidambaram to see Lord Siva's dance. The sage Vyagrapada was already there, doing penance, in order to see Siva's dance. On the day of Arudra, Lord Siva showed Vyagrapada and Patanjali His Cosmic Dance.

Every myth has a logic behind it.. A careful look at our deities would provide simple answers to our complicated questions.


With regards

 

[sangom]

Pranams to all,


Just read which I love to share:

Among all the 27 stars only two stars were prefixed with 'Thiru' i.e.

(1) Thiruvonam(Sravana), and
(2) Thiruvadirai(Arudra)

While the first one is the star of Lord Vishnu and second one is of Lord Siva.

Lord Ranganatha faces south in Srirangam,(Boologa Vaikuntam) . Lord Siva, dancing the Cosmic dance, facing South at Chidambaram. The month of Margazhi or Margaseersha is special for both Lord Vishnu and Lord Siva, for both Vaikunta Ekadasi and Arudhra Darsan fall in this month. The southern direction is said to be the direction of Yama Dharma, the Lord of Death. It is quite significant for the Devotees to note that both the Dieties face southwards, symbolising that they are to protect devotees whose mind is fixed stedfastly on God.

One day Lord Vishnu, reclining on His servant bed, gave a contented laugh. Adi Desha, the serpent, asked Him why He had laughed. Lord Mahavishnu replied that He had seen the Cosmic Dance of Siva and it had been a joyous sight. Adi Sesha wanted to witness this dance too. So he was born on this earth with half his body being that of a snake, and was named Patanjali. He went to Chidambaram to see Lord Siva's dance. The sage Vyagrapada was already there, doing penance, in order to see Siva's dance. On the day of Arudra, Lord Siva showed Vyagrapada and Patanjali His Cosmic Dance.

Every myth has a logic behind it.. A careful look at our deities would provide simple answers to our complicated questions.


With regards

Shri Balasubramani,

Gullible folks who pride themselves as devout, may boast about the "logic" behind every myth. But even the "logic" is what may be called the interlinking within that myth which is usually full of inexplicable, unnatural and unbelievable things, events, etc.

Even in the account given above, I find many unbelievable items. I list some of these below:

1. This "thiru" prefix to the two star names Sravana and aardraa is there only in Tamil and may be the other Dravidian languages; it is not there even in our nakshatra sooktas compiled by the ancient sages who are supposed to have possessed the seventh sense and extra-sensory intelligence. Hence this 'thiru-' business does not even have pan-hindu applicability.

The nakshatra sookta lists 'vishnu patnee' as the deity of Sravana nakshatra.

2. Lord Ranganatha and Lord Nataraja, both facing south - the direction of Yama, the Lord of death - may be doing so out of self-pity that so many gullible people expect them to do ever so many supernatural wonders to save the so-called devotees, but all of them have ended up ultimately in Yamaloka and both these deities are indicating your foolish beliefs and their inability to do anything to save those (late) devotees. Can such a possibility be ruled out?

3. Will any person in his normal senses like to sleep eternally on the top of a coiled snake? If that snake could get a half-human form, why was it not possible to give him a full human form? Was it something like the government system of "retaining lien" in the substantive post?

4. When Vishnu could see Siva's dance throughout the night of his choice, why vyaghrapada had to do penance for long until patanjali came along? Was it partiality on the part of Nataraja? What is the logic behind this?

Myth is an imaginary story which some people tend to believe as actual happenings. Logic need not be there in myths.

 

[V.Balasubramani]

Sri Sangom Ji,

Your above posting, as for as I am concerned, reached the most deserving destination of dust bin..







　

P.S: Either mind your language or be prepared to be at the receiving end.

 

[renuka]

Myth is an imaginary story which some people tend to believe as actual happenings. Logic need not be there in myths.

Dear Sangom ji,

I have to agree with this line our yours.

24/7 logic is too heavy for the human mind..so at times stories were written in a manner to let us relax our mind..therefore sans logic.

 

[renuka]

Sri Sangom Ji,

Your above posting, as for as I am concerned, reached the most deserving destination of dust bin..
　

Dear Sir,

It is always better to put anything we do not agree with in the Recycle Bin instead of Dustbin..cos we would never know when that would come in handy one day.

Then one day when the Bin becomes Laden with data ...we can use the opponents own logic and launch attack like Bin Laden!LOL

 

[V.Balasubramani]

Dear Sir,

It is always better to put anything we do not agree with in the Recycle Bin instead of Dustbin..cos we would never know when that would come in handy one day.

Then one day when the Bin becomes Laden with data ...we can use the opponents own logic and launch attack like Bin Laden!LOL

Mam,

You are right. Thanks for the suggestion. It was nice to read the usage of words ‘Bin’ and ‘Laden’. Hope you are in a humorous mood.


Good day Mam


With regards

 

[sarang]

Recycle bin is also of finite size; even if half the capacity is reserved for such rubbish, it will overflow in no time. I prefer dust bin which is cleared every day. There is no need to save such rubbish for future reference as it is in regular production.

Dear Sir,

It is always better to put anything we do not agree with in the Recycle Bin instead of Dustbin..cos we would never know when that would come in handy one day.

Then one day when the Bin becomes Laden with data ...we can use the opponents own logic and launch attack like Bin Laden!LOL

 

[renuka]

Recycle bin is also of finite size; even if half the capacity is reserved for such rubbish, it will overflow in no time. I prefer dust bin which is cleared every day. There is no need to save such rubbish for future reference as it is in regular production.

Once having existed nothing ceases to exist....only the form changes.

 

[sangom]

Sri Sangom Ji,

Your above posting, as for as I am concerned, reached the most deserving destination of dust bin..







　

P.S: Either mind your language or be prepared to be at the receiving end.

Shri Balasubramani,

Thousand years ago brahmins possibly believed in very many different things which people like you today may scoff at. Similarly all the things you write today as if they are some sublime truths, will not stand the test of reason today, and will not at all appeal to the next generation. So, irrespective of what you do to my post/s, think and write only such mythological things which will at least not be "thrown into the dustbin" by the younger generaions.

FYI, my language was very much parliamentary.

Note: You cannot throw anything from this web page to dust bin or any other bin. Same applies to me and all others except Shri Praveen and moderator/s. Even they will not possibly be able to eraze it from the server.

 

[V.Balasubramani]

Shri Balasubramani,

Thousand years ago brahmins possibly believed in very many different things which people like you today may scoff at. Similarly all the things you write today as if they are some sublime truths, will not stand the test of reason today, and will not at all appeal to the next generation. So, irrespective of what you do to my post/s, think and write only such mythological things which will at least not be "thrown into the dustbin" by the younger generaions.

FYI, my language was very much parliamentary.

Note: You cannot throw anything from this web page to dust bin or any other bin. Same applies to me and all others except Shri Praveen and moderator/s. Even they will not possibly be able to eraze it from the server.

Sri Sangom ji,

You talk about thousands of years history. But, what has been written by me is something published very recently.

BTW you are not a Judge to decide as to which thing stands the test of time and which does not.

Besides , You cannot boost yourself that your language is very much parliamentary. Others have to say that. It is you who have in your posting defined 'foolish belief'. How do you jump into such conclusion. Such derogatory remarks are not in good taste.

Thank you for your concern and advise that my writings atleast not be thrown into dust bin by the young generation.

　

　

P.S: Throwing into dust bin is meant for the content value of the text.

 

[sangom]

Sri Sangom ji,

You talk about thousands of years history. But, what has been written by me is something published very recently.

BTW you are not a Judge to decide as to which thing stands the test of time and which does not.

Besides , You cannot boost yourself that your language is very much parliamentary. Others have to say that. It is you who have in your posting defined 'foolish belief'. How do you jump into such conclusion. Such derogatory remarks are not in good taste.

Thank you for your concern and advise that my writings atleast not be thrown into dust bin by the young generation.

　

　

P.S: Throwing into dust bin is meant for the content value of the text.

Shri Balasubramani,

I think there can be two kinds of beliefs; those which are foolish and those which are not so, at least apparently. For example, if someone holds the view that Nataraja standing and ever trying to balance himself on one foot, is doing so just "to protect devotees whose mind is fixed stedfastly on Him (Nataraja)", that could be a foolish belief-but not apparently so (because god, by definition given in religion, could have done so without all this gymnastics, and another god, Ranganathar, is able to do the very same job of protecting devotees whose mind is fixed stedfastly on Him, by just opting to sleep on a coiled snake and half-asleep (not even fully awake - yoganidra, as the devout say). But, to bring in another observation that both these deities are facing the south and then concluding "It is quite significant for the Devotees to note that both the Dieties face southwards, symbolising that they are to protect devotees whose mind is fixed stedfastly on God." is rank foolish without any saving grace because the southern direction does not seem to have any significance to the said conclusion. On the other hand one could even come to the conclusion that the deities of all the other temples which do not face south, will not be capable of protecting devotees whose mind is fixed stedfastly on those gods/deities/idols.

That was why I requested you to be selective while writing about religious myths. We already have another thread titled "Are relationships still considered sacrosanct?" which brings out the changes in society. Hence, my suggestion is that we should write what will be relevant to the younger generations in general, though each one of us may hold our own beliefs and superstitions.

 

[Iyyarooraan]

As we age we graduate to realize that our own life is a myth. In sangamam every thing perishes!

 

[V.Balasubramani]

Shri Balasubramani,

I think there can be two kinds of beliefs; those which are foolish and those which are not so, at least apparently. For example, if someone holds the view that Nataraja standing and ever trying to balance himself on one foot, is doing so just "to protect devotees whose mind is fixed stedfastly on Him (Nataraja)", that could be a foolish belief-but not apparently so (because god, by definition given in religion, could have done so without all this gymnastics, and another god, Ranganathar, is able to do the very same job of protecting devotees whose mind is fixed stedfastly on Him, by just opting to sleep on a coiled snake and half-asleep (not even fully awake - yoganidra, as the devout say). But, to bring in another observation that both these deities are facing the south and then concluding "It is quite significant for the Devotees to note that both the Dieties face southwards, symbolising that they are to protect devotees whose mind is fixed stedfastly on God." is rank foolish without any saving grace because the southern direction does not seem to have any significance to the said conclusion. On the other hand one could even come to the conclusion that the deities of all the other temples which do not face south, will not be capable of protecting devotees whose mind is fixed stedfastly on those gods/deities/idols.

That was why I requested you to be selective while writing about religious myths. We already have another thread titled "Are relationships still considered sacrosanct?" which brings out the changes in society. Hence, my suggestion is that we should write what will be relevant to the younger generations in general, though each one of us may hold our own beliefs and superstitions.

Sri Sangom Ji,

This thread has been opened in Religion cateogry. And the one you mentioned that 'Are realtionship still ...' is in General Discussion category dealing with relationship. I find no reason to mingle both as the two are quite different subjects and why do you bring the young generation in the middle. And I fail to understand your sudden interest on the young generation.

I have already mentioned in the caption the word mythology which does mean that

A traditional, typically ancient story dealing with supernatural beings, ancestors, or heroes that serves as a fundamental type in the worldview of a people, as by explaining aspects of the natural world or delineating the psychology, customs, or ideals of society: the myth of Eros and Psyche; a creation myth. Such stories considered as a group: the realm of myth.
A popular belief or story that has become associated with a person, institution, or occurrence, especially one considered to illustrate a cultural ideal: a star whose fame turned her into a myth; the pioneer myth of suburbia.
A fiction or half-truth, especially one that forms part of an ideology.
A fictitious story, person, or thing

Now you are trying to give a new definition for the words foolish belief. How can you define these myths as foolish belief. Now to substantiate this, you are coming out with your own theory.

Though I have umpteen examples to refer about the young generations' belief on God and temple and their practice, I just cite following one as a sample which I hope will make you understand the reality.

Near Hyderabad there is a temple. It is called Visa Balaji Temple. I had been to that temple on hearing about it and belief. And on reaching the temple, I can't believe my own eyes bcos there were huge number of devotees and I was told that it is a regular feature . FYI, 90% of the devotees are between the age group of 20- 30. I was told that young generation who believe visit this temple everyday praying for Visa. You should see to believe it. This is the real thing and not reel repeat not reel.

FYI, I am giving hereunder some information on this temple - Wikipedia being the source:

Chilkur Balaji Temple
popularly known as Visa Balaji Temple or Visa God is an ancient
Hindu temple of Lord Balaji on the banks of Osman Sagar Lake near Hyderabad

During a visit the devotee goes through the usual rituals of prayer, including 11
circumambulations of the inner shrine, and makes a vow. Once the wish is fulfilled devotees then walk 108 times around the sanctum sanctorum. The majority of wishes by devotees are visa related, thus Chilkur Balaji is also referred to as 'Visa' Balaji.[4]

The 11 circumambulations represent the secret of creation — 11 means "1 soul and 1 body" — uniting both with devotion and full determination to fulfill wish, dedicate on the lord; there is no second, everything is god.

In the 108 circumambulations, 1 represents the Existence, Almighty, God (Paramathma, Balaji in the minds of the devotee), 0 represents Creation (Illusionary World, Jagath) and 8 represents Human Body need to come to this universe 8 months (Jivatma).

The Chanting of following names of Lord Vishnu, immensely helps us in overcoming the obstacles in our daily life.
"Om Vashatkaaraaya Namaha" : For Success in Business.

"Om Aksharaaya Namaha" : For Success in Studies.

"Om Bhuthabhavanaya Namaha" : For Good Health.

"Om Paramaathmane Namaha" : For Self Confidence.

Every devotee has to keep eyes open while doing darshan of God idol in the temple.

God is everything; God does not want anything from devotees; God expects Devotion, Determination and Dedication from devotees. This temple has chance to surrender the above aspects with God".

It happens, and will continue to happen everyday to those who hold the Almighty and pray with dedication and devotion.

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Balu Sir,

The belief of mythological stories depends on the mind set. If we take only the good aspects in the stories, it is good for us.

If we try to find logic and rack our brains, there is no use. There are people who declare that the great epics mislead people and

make them take a wrong path in life! There existed a reformer who said, "கடவுள் இல்லை, கடவுள் இல்லவே இல்லை,

கடவுளைக் கற்பித்தவன் காட்டுமிராண்டி; கடவுளை நம்புபவன் முட்டாள்; கடவுளைப் பரப்புபவன் அயோக்கியன்" and

there is huge group to follow him too!

 

[renuka]

There existed a reformer who said, "கடவுள் இல்லை, கடவுள் இல்லவே இல்லை,

கடவுளைக் கற்பித்தவன் காட்டுமிராண்டி; கடவுளை நம்புபவன் முட்டாள்; கடவுளைப் பரப்புபவன் அயோக்கியன்" and

there is huge group to follow him too!

Dear RR ji,

I have a feeling that you are describing someone whose name can not be mentioned!LOL

 

[weblogic]

Dear Mr.Balasubramani,
We can the Mythology as say in children's Moral Instruction class - they would depict the story of hare and Rabbit and all instances the last line would be as said "The Moral of the story goes:" - Similarly Mythology was supposed to teach moral or deemed to convey certain messaage to the general audience, we have for sometime lost the importance to apply the mind to see the last line and given importance to the stories and the charcters and their charcteristics.
Same applies to our scriptures, dharma etc. IMHO all of them are created to preach and teach goodness to Society and nothing more - We have to be rational whre we have to and we have to b conservative where we have to so don't take the post otherwise and I would suggest to give more importance on the suttle messaage which the mythology intends to pass on...
Thanks

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Renu,

You got it right! But I guess only the name is banned. Our dear friend has that reformer's quote

as his signature but carefully removed the triple X!!! :thumb:

 

[V.Balasubramani]

Dear Balu Sir,

The belief of mythological stories depends on the mind set. If we take only the good aspects in the stories, it is good for us.

If we try to find logic and rack our brains, there is no use. There are people who declare that the great epics mislead people and

make them take a wrong path in life! There existed a reformer who said, "கடவுள் இல்லை, கடவுள் இல்லவே இல்லை,

கடவுளைக் கற்பித்தவன் காட்டுமிராண்டி; கடவுளை நம்புபவன் முட்டாள்; கடவுளைப் பரப்புபவன் அயோக்கியன்" and

there is huge group to follow him too!

Mam,


There may be a group. Okay, let the group play their own trumpet merrily. Everybody is free to express their opinion and I don’t stand in their way.


But prevailing upon us and passing adverse comments on our opinion can be well avoided.


With regards

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Balu Sir,

Does your avtAr picture make you so brave?? Just kidding! It is good.

 

[V.Balasubramani]

Dear Balu Sir,

Does your avtAr picture make you so brave?? Just kidding! It is good.

Mam,


I remain a humble human being and striving hard to learn from the midst of lot of Members of this August Forum whom I admire.


As for Avatar, you are known to ensure that everything you do is excellent, which includes your Avatar. Read about few enquiring the same and their appreciation too.

I don’t know what A.M. Sir’s observation on my Avatar. I await his comments.


With regards




With regards