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A heart-warming video

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Once we step out of the theatrics and nostalgics, there is enough in the world to prove that the difference between pakistan and india are not so blurred so as to be made indistinct by emotions.

I wouldn't want to generalize, so what I say now is limited only to my experience - I have found that all Pakistanis who had talked, to me, about the subject of their "Khudha" or "God" just cannot accept the fact that there can be another human out there who harbours a different version of "God". Pakistanis have also cultivated in their minds, an aggressive behaviour, that mainly seems to stem from their religious ideologies, and also to a lesser extent, seems to have varying degrees based on the different tribes there - the pathans, for eg., seem to display the most aggressive behaviour and male chauvinism.

The idea that religion does not matter is superficial, and has generated heat only by adverts and stray incidents. Probably, if Pakistan were to revamp its economy, upgrade its weaponry and provide a decent standard of living to all its citizens, even then, I presume, the hate mongering would be there. Until they see the world of muslims. Until they bring India down to her knees.

What is a drop of sugar in a salty ocean?
 
vgane said:
At P2P (people to people) level there is no rancor....I have interacted with several Pakistanis..They are good to heart!

One of my relatives visits Pakistan as a NGO member! She is all praise for the people there!
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auh said:
...I wouldn't want to generalize, so what I say now is limited only to my experience - ......... Pakistanis have also cultivated in their minds, an aggressive behaviour.......

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What is a drop of sugar in a salty ocean?
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Are ordinary Pakistanis "good at heart" or do they actively cultivate "aggressive behavior"?

Here is a very thoughtful discussion by former Pakistani ambassador to USA Husain Haqqani, about his book, "Magnificent Delusions: Pakistan, the United States, and an Epic History of Misunderstanding".

He says President Kennedy pushed India and Pakistan to settle the Kashmir issue and that India was ready to pretty much settle along the LOC, but Pakistan took a maximalist approach -- all or nothing.

A failed Pakistani state is not good for India. That is why it is essential to develop a broad people-to-people relation of the kind portrayed in the video. India and Pakistan are joined at the hip, one side of the hip cannot rot away without affecting the other.
 
vgane said:
At P2P (people to people) level there is no rancor....I have interacted with several Pakistanis..They are good to heart!

One of my relatives visits Pakistan as a NGO member! She is all praise for the people there!

The venom is injected by the Pakistani politicians who want to divide people...They do not want anything to do with India...They fear the size of India and its might..They are jealous of India's growth...They are trying to still portray that Indians are their No 1 enemies....

There is nothing wrong per se by Aman ki Asha!

But what India lacks is the ability to give a tit for tat when the so called enemy crosses limits!
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Yes I agree that on a personal basis anyone can be good at heart...there is no doubt about that....anyone ranging from Lahore to Srilanka can be a gem at heart.



But I feel at a National Level when dealing with a country that can be a threat to National Safety/Security..all emotions and lovey dovey feelings should be set aside.

Ahimsa does not mean lack of Viveka.

To at least to honour fallen heroes of a Nation...at a National Level.. a country should not glorify the "Enemy of the State"

I am kind of surprised about this video too cos in India the most common word used is "I am proud to be this ..or I am proud to be that" but what ever happened to National Pride??

National Pride should be the 1st priority especially when National Security and Safety is at constant risk.

I guess may be most people feel proud for all the wrong reasons!LOL
 
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There are nut cases everywhere. If the two countries are going to engage with each other at the level of these nut cases then there is no hope. If and when Pakistan goes down, it will take India with it. National pride will be worth nothing at that point.

A path towards true national security is possible only if the issue of Kashmir is settled. Thoughtful and inspired leadership is necessary for this to come true. We can be sure that such leadership will not come from the politicians of both countries, they can only be counted on to keeping the enmity of the populace towards each other alive, Modi being an expert at it. Whether non-politicians can lead the way is very questionable. Anyone advocating peace will be tared and feathered in both countries.
 
Nara said:
There are nut cases everywhere. If the two countries are going to engage with each other at the level of these nut cases then there is no hope. If and when Pakistan goes down, it will take India with it. National pride will be worth nothing at that point.

A path towards true national security is possible only if the issue of Kashmir is settled. Thoughtful and inspired leadership is necessary for this to come true. We can be sure that such leadership will not come from the politicians of both countries, they can only be counted on to keeping the enmity of the populace towards each other alive, Modi being an expert at it. Whether non-politicians can lead the way is very questionable. Anyone advocating peace will be tared and feathered in both countries.
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everything you said is agreed.

but there is no need for pretensions of love or nostalgia through the make believe ads. anyone who left in a hurry for his life in the punjab, and faced rape pillage plunder during the hazardous road journey to the safety of india, i doubt, will ever harbour the type of feelings portrayed in the video.

google could have chosen any other situations. how about tamils of malaya or burma who were separated by the japanese invasion? why not indian students of cambridge or oxford during the fifites? how about our own classmates? or long lost loves.

no. and again it is a muslim man and a hindu woman who facilitate this union. there are so underlying insinuations that i am surprised that the vast majority of indians are gullible enough to believe this to be a true state of affairs. no one remembers history here? another invasion from north west would soon teach them a lesson.
 
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generally all ads in india based on emotions/sensitivity.......attention seekers.....like YEH DIL MAANGE MORE.....like grape water

ad in chennai by ttk product.....NAANUM ITHAI THAAN KODUTHEN CHINNATHILE....JUST CROWD PULLING....
 
biswa said:
To get a first hand feeling of what Pakistanis think, please read this thread from a Paki forum: in this case why Mohammad Ghori is a Muslim hero (Paki missiles are named after him).
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The reason the missile was named after Ghori was becos India named theirs Prithvi.

India named it after the one of the 5 elements..Prithvi and not after King Prithviraj Chauhan but Pakistani's could only see the name Prithviraj Chauhan in their mind and named their missile Mohd Ghori cos Ghori gouged out Prithviraj's eyes.
 
kunjuppu said:
everything you said is agreed.

but there is no need for pretensions of love or nostalgia through the make believe ads. anyone who left in a hurry for his life in the punjab, and faced rape pillage plunder during the hazardous road journey to the safety of india, i doubt, will ever harbour the type of feelings portrayed in the video.

google could have chosen any other situations. how about tamils of malaya or burma who were separated by the japanese invasion? why not indian students of cambridge or oxford during the fifites? how about our own classmates? or long lost loves.

no. and again it is a muslim man and a hindu woman who facilitate this union. there are so underlying insinuations that i am surprised that the vast majority of indians are gullible enough to believe this to be a true state of affairs. no one remembers history here? another invasion from north west would soon teach them a lesson.
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Dear Kunjs,

I was thinking just say the Google advert Video showed some intercaste reunion and both oldies get their grandchildren married despite being intercaste..I am sure emotions would have run high and everyone would have say 'Oh Propoganda..trying to destroy caste purity,culture blah blah blah" and the person who made the video would have been labelled as a traitor to the community like Kamal Hassan!(LOL)..

But here its Ok..to hug and love and kiss the "enemy of the state" and everyone is going 'Goo Goo Gaa Gaa..How sweet yaar...how sensitive yaar..how touching yaar"

Give me a break guys..if we humans cant love our neighbour in our own street/ town/state/country....dont even attempt to love thy enemy across the national border.
 
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renuka said:
........ Give me a break guys..if we humans cant love our neighbour in our own street/ town/state/country....dont even attempt to love thy enemy across the national border.
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Dear Renu,

How about those who don't love even the inmates of the house, including the better half?? :sad:
 
Raji Ram said:
Dear Renu,

How about those who don't love even the inmates of the house, including the better half?? :sad:
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BTW not being in love with their better half does not = to hatred.

One can still love a spouse like how he or she loves any other human being and not have hatred.

Loving someone and being in love is a totally different scenario.

Even divorced couples can still be friends and not have hatred.

Also not being in love with spouse is not a National Security threat.
 
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kunjuppu said:
no. and again it is a muslim man and a hindu woman who facilitate this union. there are so underlying insinuations that i am surprised that the vast majority of indians are gullible enough to believe this to be a true state of affairs. no one remembers history here? another invasion from north west would soon teach them a lesson.
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You are right, people have a very selective memory of history. Or perhaps they were too far away from the "action". The violence that was precipitated during the partition of Punjab and Bengal was not just by politicians, it was done by "common people" organized into mobs. At least some of the Sikhs in Punjab could give back as good as they got. After 1947, there have been so many instances in recent times, many bomb blasts in Mumbai, Hyderabad, Delhi, Bihar, 26/11, and the answer to everything is always "Godhra Godhra Godhra".
 
It is not a national threat Renu! But it is sad to see some couples hate each other and still make their marriage successful!!
 
kunjuppu said:
... there are so underlying insinuations that i am surprised that the vast majority of indians are gullible enough to believe this to be a true state of affairs..
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Dear K, the underlying insinuation is simply that Google Search can find long lost friend and get them together. The bonus is the debate we are having, and, hopefully, lot of others in other forums are also having. What I see in the ad is a hope that common people can connect and make a difference. At the same time I am also not naive enough to ignore the cynicism, not all unwarranted, that pervades Indian upper castes and mocks at the hopes of a better tomorrow that common people of both India and Pakistan share.

I realize it is too much of a dream, but, if only the common folks portrayed in the ad can connect we will have a better future together, than what Modi and his Islamic counterparts in Pakistan can and will deliver us in to.
 
Raji Ram said:
It is not a national threat Renu! But it is sad to see some couples hate each other and still make their marriage successful!!
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Its becos they love their children...they might not be right for each other as husband and wife but they might be good parents to their children...so they learn to live with each other under one roof for the sake of their children without having hatred for each other.

RR ji,

The problem is most Indians think the Divorce =Hatred...Not being in love with spouse = hatred.

That is not always the case.

Hatred is a very negative emotion..it can not be sustained for long..eventually the body and mind adapts to even love our captor as in Stockholm's syndrome.
 
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The fact no one can rule out is that, before partition when there was no topographical distinction as Pakistan & India, both Hindu and Muslims were very good friends in terms of one to one relationship, as much as friendship between a Muslim & a Hindu at present with in the Indian boundaries. They had bondage as friends for long years as good humans to each other and in general.

Unfortunately, when division took place, riots and massacre started taking place, which I believe must be politically motivated and political activists must be behind kindling such brutality. Religion was the powerful tool to kindle hatred & massacre.

Muslims & Hindus who were not influenced by such political mischief and were not religious fanatic beyond humanity and human relationships, certainly would have not indulged in such brutality against fellow Hindus & Muslims with whom they had very good friendship.

IMO, the Google Add. reflects the love and affection between long time true friends as humans who were forced to get separated during partition BUT didn't carry hate and frustration between each other just based on religious belonging & topographical/social/political differentiations. The add. reflects the fine qualities of true humans across borders, the borders where hatred, ceasefire violation and brutality continuous to linger on political level. The prime objective of the Add. as we know is to highlight the effectiveness of Google Search and such an emotional concept is chosen to make it a hit.

There is a good Bollywood movie worth watching, released in 2001 - "JADAR-Ek Prem Katha", based on 1947 partition. The movie not only is a story about love between a Sikh guy and a Muslim girl BUT reflects friendship between Hindus and Muslims at the time of partition as well.

 
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renuka said:
Check this out dudes!

Took this from VR ji's thread.

Ha Ha Ha...here we are saying heart warming video and see what is happening across the border!LOL





Fined Rs 1 cr for showing India content

10 Pakistan TV channels have been fined a total of Rs 1 crore for airing excessive Indian content. More
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"According to a document of the country's ministry of information, broadcasting and national heritage, the channels have violated the code of conduct by broadcasting Indian content beyond the prescribed limits, The News International reported.

PEMRA is continuously monitoring whether the code of conduct and the code of advertising are being complied with by the TV channels.

"Private TV channels of the country have been authorised to air only 10 percent foreign content, which include 60 percent of the 10 percent (6 percent of the overall) maybe Indian or other content; 40 percent of the 10 percent (4 percent of the overall) may be English content," the report said.


The 10 channels have been fined Rs.1 million each for violating the code of conduct in the current calendar year, according to the report."

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As per the policy, the issue here is violation of PEMRA regulations. Can't say that Pakistani TV channels were penalized ONLY because they relayed Indian Media content.
 
C RAVI said:
The fact no one can rule out is that, before partition when there was no topographical distinction as Pakistan & India, both Hindu and Muslims were very good friends in terms of one to one relationship, as much as friendship between a Muslim & a Hindu at present with in the Indian boundaries. They had bondage as friends for long years as good humans to each other and in general.
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This is a very casual statement. At best we can say that Hindu & Muslims (H&M) were as much a friend to one another, if not less, than they are now.

Even then, I doubt if H&M had "bondage as friends for long years as good humans to each other and in general". The partition or "division" would not have happened if there existed a "bondage as friends for long years as good humans to each other and in general". This is only MO.


IMO, the Google Add. reflects the love and affection between long time true friends as humans who were forced to get separated during partition BUT didn't carry hate and frustration between each other just based on religious belonging & topographical/social/political differentiations.


..... The prime objective of the Add. as we know is to highlight the effectiveness of Google Search and such an emotional concept is chosen to make it a hit.
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Partition is a division line that hived one country; the lilne drawn with the blood of humans, and instigated by the Muslims. It is not a subject that could be similar to long lost friends or childhood memories. There are traumatic events behind the partition which we perhaps tend to brush aside easily, in the guise of ads. What may work as an ad seldom works in reality.

At best what the ad can do is to get the glib emotional mind gratified with a tear or two...
 
Sorry Mr. Ravi, I think you have been too influenced by Google ads and romantic Bollywood movies. The reality on the ground was much different. Surely you have heard about Aurangzeb? Please also read historical accounts of the rule of Alauddin Khilji and invasions by Ghori and Ghazni.

Not that Hindus are quite innocent. The Hindu landlords werent always nice to the Muslim peasants eithers. So in the end, no love lost.
 
biswa said:
Sorry Mr. Ravi, I think you have been too influenced by Google ads and romantic Bollywood movies. The reality on the ground was much different. Surely you have heard about Aurangzeb? Please also read historical accounts of the rule of Alauddin Khilji and invasions by Ghori and Ghazni.

Not that Hindus are quite innocent. The Hindu landlords werent always nice to the Muslim peasants eithers. So in the end, no love lost.
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Dear Mr.Biswa,

Am I rejecting the above or don't I know about it? What you want to convey by highlighting above atrocities by rulers from both the sides?

To add value to your post you are finding me emotionally influenced by Google Add and romantically influenced by Bollywood movies..LOL!!
 
My two cen...er pence worth. There two ways to look at this IMHO. One with dispassion and kindness and one emotive hatred/cynicism. We all know Aurangzeb and his atrocities etc. In the end as they say : we don't see things as they are. We see it as we are! I'm not an apologist either.
 
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