An Open Letter to the Prime Minister of India

[sravna]

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Dear Prime Minister,

At the outset let me humbly submit my congratulations for galvanizing the people of India on your visionary ideas for India and helping them elect a single party with an absolute majority. The people of India I am sure would immensely benefit from the political stability that ensues.

The purpose of writing this letter is to offer my services to the country as some one who can contribute to your grand visions for the country. I humbly submit to offer my proven spiritual powers in a variety of ways for the development and peace of the country.

I wish to show the effectiveness of the spiritual power in the following ways:

(i) As a tribute and a complement to your Clean India initiative, reduce the extent of pollution
(ii) Reduce drastically the instances of violence and crime.

I can deliver tangible results on the above in a month

In the long term more substantial issues can be resolved for the development, preeminence and peace of the country.

I am inclined and honored to offer my services to the country because I strongly believe in your ideas and very much wish to see them realized like all others.


Yours Faithfully,
Srinivasan Vaidyaraman

 

[renuka]

Sravna..what happened yaar? What are you going to do? Why bring in spiritual powers?

Modi is an action oriented person who leads by example and I mean physical example.

Sravna..you can start by organizing clean the neighbourhood campaign at your residential area and have resident based night watch like what we have here at least everyone can take part.

Sravna did you actually send this letter to Modi?

 

[sravna]

Sravna..what happened yaar? What are you going to do? Why bring in spiritual powers?

Modi is an action oriented person who leads by example and I mean physical example.

Sravna..you can start by organizing clean the neighbourhood campaign at your residential area and have resident based night watch like what we have here at least everyone can take part.

Sravna did you actually send this letter to Modi?

Dear Renuka,

I believe that Modi has the right ideas that will really take India forward. Spiritual powers will work because one can directly influence the reality which unfolds as physical and mental reality. Let us do all that we can for the good of the world.

Anyway let us wait on the two things which I promise to do in a month.

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

I believe that Modi has the right ideas that will really take India forward. Spiritual powers will work because one can directly influence the reality which unfolds as physical and mental reality. Let us do all that we can for the good of the world.

Anyway let us wait on the two things which I promise to do in a month.

Sravna..Modi said he needs 5 years to heal the country and you only need 1 month to do these 2 things?

There are no instant results becos even if we have a goal..our mission and vision changes over time becos the outcome is not always as we hope it to be.

Just try to think for a while..how much your own vision and mission would have changed over the years. If we just rewind our whole life it would just show us that we can never direct the movie called life.

We just have to keep accommodating our life to fit into the events that unfold..in other words we are never really the captain of the ship.

So dont try too hard....its not going to actually bring any major change.

Slow and steady wins the race and in the race of life there is no winner or loser..everyone wins some and loses some and the trophy goes to the person who embraces both winning and losing.

 

[renuka]

Dear Sravna,


I sincerely urge you to give up your attempts with regards to using Spiritual Power to rectify anything.

Just live in the present..it is not healthy for the mind to be extreme in anything.

Too much "spirituality" becomes Tamasic in the end.

Its not worth the try.

 

[CHANDRU1849]

Sir,

Can you please explain how you will reduce drastically violence and crime by spiritual power.

 

[sravna]

Dear Renuka and Dear Shri Chandru,

What we see play across as reality in fact unfolds from the spiritual reality. So it is possible by power that can transcend space and time which I call as spiritual power to directly work on that reality. In fact if it works that is also how things are destined to be.

Sometimes when things go out of control, when logic doesn't work , normalcy has to be restored by
something such as the spiritual power. Nothing really wrong in that Renuka.

 

[GOPI.S]

Dear Sravan,
For doing good why u require the permission from anybody? Suppose Mr Modi does not give u permission or his assent, will u stop ur so called POWERS to cleanse the world.

 

[auh]

Dear Sravna,

For a start, would it be possible for you to bring in the black money, back to India? Using this spiritual power of yours, that is.

Regards,

 

[sravna]

Dear Sravna,

For a start, would it be possible for you to bring in the black money, back to India? Using this spiritual power of yours, that is.

Regards,

Dear Auh,

Yes. I will try.

 

[vgane]

Dear Auh,

Yes. I will try.

Dear Shri Sravna,

I appreciate your candor and readiness to put on the spiritual hat to clean society..Very few in our country of 1.25 billion are ready to take the plunge on such mammoth tasks and stake their lives! Kudos to you for this!!

 

[sravna]

Dear Shri Sravna,

I appreciate your candor and readiness to put on the spiritual hat to clean society..Very few in our country of 1.25 billion are ready to take the plunge on such mammoth tasks and stake their lives! Kudos to you for this!!

Thanks Shri Vgane. I strongly believe that the time for evil is over. I am trying to make a small contribution in that direction

 

[renuka]

Thanks Shri Vgane. I strongly believe that the time for evil is over. I am trying to make a small contribution in that direction

Dear Sravna,


"Evil" can never be over as long as "Good" exists.

To even define Good, Evil has to exists as a comparison.

Just a few weeks ago I had to treat a person with anxiety who wanted to change the world.

I had to tell the person that Good and Evil exists as polar of opposites becos of our own perception..the more good you try to be..the more evil will exists in your own mind becos you start harshly dividing the world into two distinct poles of opposites.

I told the person that the best way is to flow with existence..do not form judgments and take life as it comes.

I told the person that nature has its own way of balancing situations.

We think we can make a drastic change but technically no drastic change is possible but its just that nature has started to flow in a different direction and we mistake that as man made changes and think we can play super hero and only end up becoming anxious.


The person understood and agreed and feels better now.

Frankly speaking there is no use deluding ourselves into believing we can change the course of nature. To me that is the greatest INACTION.

 

[sangom]

Dear Sravna,


"Evil" can never be over as long as "Good" exists.

To even define Good, Evil has to exists as a comparison.

Just a few weeks ago I had to treat a person with anxiety who wanted to change the world.

I had to tell the person that Good and Evil exists as polar of opposites becos of our own perception..the more good you try to be..the more evil will exists in your own mind becos you start harshly dividing the world into two distinct poles of opposites.

I told the person that the best way is to flow with existence..do not form judgments and take life as it comes.

I told the person that nature has its own way of balancing situations.

We think we can make a drastic change but technically no drastic change is possible but its just that nature has started to flow in a different direction and we mistake that as man made changes and think we can play super hero and only end up becoming anxious.


The person understood and agreed and feels better now.

Frankly speaking there is no use deluding ourselves into believing we can change the course of nature. To me that is the greatest INACTION.

My dear Sravna,

Smt. Renuka's advice is very sage, in my view.

First of all I wish to tell you that I, as an agnostic, am not convinced either way — that is, whether you really possess such spiritual powers as you claim to have, or whether it is simply that one or two small coincidences have made you to believe so. (Kindly recall the story of the young Sanyasi who is told by an illiterate housewife "கொக்கென்று நினைத்தாயோ கொங்கணவா!" (kokkeṉṟu niṉaittāyo koṅkaṇavā!)).

Even assuming, for a moment, that you have been blessed by nature with some extraordinary spiritual abilities, the most appropriate course of action for you to follow, would have been to put it to use/practice and do one of the things which you have said in the OP. Starting a thread, making it "an open letter to the PM of India" etc., shows that you are more keen in advertising your said spiritual powers rather than in utilising those powers for universal good. This, at once, creates doubts about the very claim (of possessing spiritual powers, etc.) in my mind; I do not know how other members view this.

Coming to the larger metaphysical problem of evils in the world, I have always wondered as to how "evil" pervades this world when most of our god concepts are of gods or Supreme Gods who possess only auspicious qualities (सकल कल्याण गुणार्णवम् - sakala kalyāṇa guṇārṇavam) as someone wrote very recently. If the Supreme God possesses only the very auspicious qualities, then the evils in this world must have, as their source, an equally powerful entity — something like the Satan of Christianity, but within hinduism, we don't have any such. Within the polytheistic pantheon (of smartas) we have fierce godheads, warring deities, gods with egotism, jealousy, etc., and so perhaps, it may be possible to say "As below, so above!", but such an escape mechanism seems to be absent elsewhere.

Evil, therefore, has its own source and is not within the control of the Gods to stop completely, it appears to me. (Gods do, however, periodic cleaning up job, á la "Swacch Bharat Abhiyan" of our PM, by coming down in different forms and killing the very great evil-doers; the small fry is let off, even then.
When such is the natural law, will it be possible for a single human to reduce the extent of pollution, crime, violence, etc., and that too within one month's time? I, therefore, request you to reconsider your offer to PM and if you still feel your stand is correct, send an e-mail direct to the PM's e-mail id.

 

[auh]

...
Evil, therefore, has its own source and is not within the control of the Gods to stop completely, it appears to me. (Gods do, however, periodic cleaning up job, á la "Swacch Bharat Abhiyan" of our PM, by coming down in different forms and killing the very great evil-doers; the small fry is let off, even then...

Ha ha ... I had quite a chuckle on reading this...

 

[sangom]

Ha ha ... I had quite a chuckle on reading this...

Shri auh,

Glad that you were amused. But seriously, I have been thinking for quite some time about the incongruity of having God/s who is/are embodiments of all virtues and this world being "Srishtified" by such god/gods and still, from somewhere, evils of all kinds find their way into this realm. It, therefore, appears to me as if the Creator God has to be a mix of good and evil, and not good alone; in the latter case being true, there ought to be another Creator god who has the powers to create both the purely auspicious God and the source (whatever it may be) of evils also.

Viewed in this context Advaita with its rather unattractive Nirguna Parabrahma appears logically more appealing (!) since in such a Nirguna Parabrahma both good (+) and evil (-) may be existing and cancelling out each other, much like a neutron which releases, on beta decay, a proton (+), an electron (-) and some electron antineutrino, etc. May be, in a similar fashion, the Nirguna Parabrahman splits into positive and negative qualities when it resides within the living body.

I would like to have your view.

 

[mkrishna100]

Even assuming, for a moment, that you have been blessed by nature with some extraordinary spiritual abilities, the most appropriate course of action for you to follow, would have been to put it to use/practice and do one of the things which you have said in the OP. Starting a thread, making it "an open letter to the PM of India" etc., shows that you are more keen in advertising your said spiritual powers rather than in utilising those powers for universal good. This, at once, creates doubts about the very claim (of possessing spiritual powers, etc.) in my mind; I do not know how other members view this.

:clap2:

 

[auh]

Shri auh,

Glad that you were amused. But seriously, I have been thinking for quite some time about the incongruity of having God/s who is/are embodiments of all virtues and this world being "Srishtified" by such god/gods and still, from somewhere, evils of all kinds find their way into this realm. It, therefore, appears to me as if the Creator God has to be a mix of good and evil, and not good alone; in the latter case being true, there ought to be another Creator god who has the powers to create both the purely auspicious God and the source (whatever it may be) of evils also.

Viewed in this context Advaita with its rather unattractive Nirguna Parabrahma appears logically more appealing (!) since in such a Nirguna Parabrahma both good (+) and evil (-) may be existing and cancelling out each other, much like a neutron which releases, on beta decay, a proton (+), an electron (-) and some electron antineutrino, etc. May be, in a similar fashion, the Nirguna Parabrahman splits into positive and negative qualities when it resides within the living body.

I would like to have your view.

Shri Sangom,

I am no scholar, and so within the ideas confined to the narrowness of my mind, I deliberate on the context.

I tend to toy with the view that the jagat that has evolved over a period of time, and continuing to do so, is out of a desire. Hence a Nirguna brahman without any shades of colours is not logically tenable, imo.

Philosophical angle:

I tend to think of the original inspiration as a thought. Only a thought. Nothing else.

I cannot place this original thought - where did it exist? what is the substratum? and whence cometh the imagination? But playing along with this logic, it would only be appropriate that there is no "creation" rather only an 'imagination", that seemingly tends to expand its horizon. We are the thought, and the imagination, and the characters within - a part of us experiences and a part of us explores and yet another part struggles to escape (the dream, that is). Good or evil is only in existence within the imagination; it is an imagination within an imagination. And hence immaterial in the overall scheme of things.

The other angle:

For all that we know, it could be that life is but an mutant form that tends to vary/adapt with the immediate environment. If viewed in this line, any intelligent creator or force is ruled out. Good or evil simply does not exist in this context. The whole universe is but a chemical and physical combination of balances that either exist and combust spontaenously or have a gestation period, which we call life.

I have attempted to give a brief summary of my views above and will expand on any specific should you desire, and if I have the necessary raw material for that !

 

[sravna]

Dear Shri Sangom, Renuka,

My understanding of evil and good as follows: Good is what exists enduringly. Evil is an illusion as ignorance is. Evil does not exist in an entity such as nirguna brahman. Only in the discrete reality of space and time evil exists. That implies all evil is subordinate to spiritual energy and can be done away with by such spiritual energy.

 

[renuka]

Dear Shri Sangom, Renuka,

My understanding of evil and good as follows: Good is what exists enduringly. Evil is an illusion as ignorance is. Evil does not exist in an entity such as nirguna brahman. Only in the discrete reality of space and time evil exists. That implies all evil is subordinate to spiritual energy and can be done away with by such spiritual energy.

Dear Sravna,

You feel evil does NOT exists in Nirguna Brahman?


BTW The Geeta says this:

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By Me, in My unmanifested form, this entire universe is pervaded. All beings are in Me, but I am not in them.

All beings are in Me but I am NOT in them.

Going by this that means even Good and Evil are in God but the God is NOT in them.

So Evil you say does not exists in Nirguna Brahman..it is not right..according to this stanza evil too should be present in God but God is not present in evil.

So same way..Good too is present in God but God is not present in good.

 

[sravna]

Dear Renuka

Spiritual energy is a perfectly interconnected energy. Evll cannot patently exist in it. When it is projected as discrete energy is when the genesis for evil is created. Since evil is created as a result of projection it is not part of nirguna brahman reality. The gita is saying that since everyone is essentially nirguna brahman, it means all entities are in it and not vice versa. But nirguna brahman experiences the reality in totality only and so there is no scope for evil in it.

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka

Spiritual energy is a perfectly interconnected energy. Evll cannot patently exist in it. When it is projected as discrete energy is when the genesis for evil is created. Since evil is created as a result of projection it is not part of nirguna brahman reality. The gita is saying that since everyone is essentially nirguna brahman, it means all entities are in it and not vice versa. But nirguna brahman experiences the reality in totality only and so there is no scope for evil in it.

Dear Sravna,

Sravna..Why this Evil Veri Evil Veri Evil Veri Ji?

Can you try going beyond the concept of Good and Evil? You say you follow the Advaita but you hold on so strongly to the duality of Good and Evil.

Going by your explanation it seems to fit the theory that Evil exists on its own and has its own mechanism of action and totally divorced from God.

Its very very Abrahamic!

So come to think of it..evil has been "winning" for a very very long time ever since existence and "good" only comes Yada Yada and evil still can not be totally wiped out and evil rises again in another form to strike yet again and again.

Evil it seems is direct and totally well organized..easy to be understood..no Maya at all.

Evil is pure and no Maya..It's "I am Bad and you know it"

Good is pure and has Maya..It's "I am Good but you dont know it"

 

[sravna]

Dear Sravna,

Sravna..Why this Evil Veri Evil Veri Evil Veri Ji?

Can you try going beyond the concept of Good and Evil? You say you follow the Advaita but you hold on so strongly to the duality of Good and Evil.

Going by your explanation it seems to fit the theory that Evil exists on its own and has its own mechanism of action and totally divorced from God.

Its very very Abrahamic!

So come to think of it..evil has been "winning" for a very very long time ever since existence and "good" only comes Yada Yada and evil still can not be totally wiped out and evil rises again in another form to strike yet again and again.

Evil it seems is direct and totally well organized..easy to be understood..no Maya at all.

Evil is pure and no Maya..It's "I am Bad and you know it"

Good is pure and has Maya..It's "I am Good but you dont know it"

Dear Renuka,

I too am saying the same. Evil does not exist on its own. Good veiled by maya appears as evil. Evil does not predominate all the time. It is overwhelming only in kali yuga and in dwapara yuga. In the other two yugas the good predominate. Experiences in the physical world are mixed. Everything keeps changing in the physical world with evil on the upper hand in the early part but in the latter half where the deprojection of space and time begin to happen, the good gains the upper hand.

 

[renuka]

Dear Sravna,

If you ask me I would say that there is no such thing as good or evil..everything in life is just an experience..that which brings us joy we call it good..that which brings us sorrow we call it evil.

We give names to it..on its own, experience is nameless.

Just like our ownselves..technically we are nameless.we were born without a name.
Our parents named us for identification purposes.

So our very own name itself is not our real identity..what else is true? Nothing!
Everything is just an experience and existence sails thru it and we call it good or evil depending on the input received.

So Sravna..your "battle" is futile..good or evil exists only in the mind.

Even in your own words as you say that evil too is but a projection and it does not exists in Nirguna Brahman as you claim..so why waste your time fighting with a non existent entity?

Its like shadow boxing!

 

[renuka]

Good veiled by maya appears as evil..

Dear Sravna,

You say "Good veiled by Maya appears Evil"

So by this it clearly shows that the source of Evil is Goodness!

So would you want to destroy Goodness too in order for Evil to be vanquished?

That seems like the only way out isnt it?

How do we 'destroy' Goodness?

We can not destroy anything..Good or Evil..we can only go beyond it.

When we go beyond good and evil..both cease to exists.

There you go ..your problem solved!

No need to email Modi..I solved your problem!LOL