An Open Letter to the Prime Minister of India

[sravna]

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My dear Sravna,

Smt. Renuka's advice is very sage, in my view.

First of all I wish to tell you that I, as an agnostic, am not convinced either way — that is, whether you really possess such spiritual powers as you claim to have, or whether it is simply that one or two small coincidences have made you to believe so. (Kindly recall the story of the young Sanyasi who is told by an illiterate housewife "கொக்கென்று நினைத்தாயோ கொங்கணவா!" (kokkeṉṟu niṉaittāyo koṅkaṇavā!)).

Even assuming, for a moment, that you have been blessed by nature with some extraordinary spiritual abilities, the most appropriate course of action for you to follow, would have been to put it to use/practice and do one of the things which you have said in the OP. Starting a thread, making it "an open letter to the PM of India" etc., shows that you are more keen in advertising your said spiritual powers rather than in utilising those powers for universal good. This, at once, creates doubts about the very claim (of possessing spiritual powers, etc.) in my mind; I do not know how other members view this.

Coming to the larger metaphysical problem of evils in the world, I have always wondered as to how "evil" pervades this world when most of our god concepts are of gods or Supreme Gods who possess only auspicious qualities (सकल कल्याण गुणार्णवम् - sakala kalyāṇa guṇārṇavam) as someone wrote very recently. If the Supreme God possesses only the very auspicious qualities, then the evils in this world must have, as their source, an equally powerful entity — something like the Satan of Christianity, but within hinduism, we don't have any such. Within the polytheistic pantheon (of smartas) we have fierce godheads, warring deities, gods with egotism, jealousy, etc., and so perhaps, it may be possible to say "As below, so above!", but such an escape mechanism seems to be absent elsewhere.

Evil, therefore, has its own source and is not within the control of the Gods to stop completely, it appears to me. (Gods do, however, periodic cleaning up job, á la "Swacch Bharat Abhiyan" of our PM, by coming down in different forms and killing the very great evil-doers; the small fry is let off, even then.
When such is the natural law, will it be possible for a single human to reduce the extent of pollution, crime, violence, etc., and that too within one month's time? I, therefore, request you to reconsider your offer to PM and if you still feel your stand is correct, send an e-mail direct to the PM's e-mail id.

Dear Shri Sangom,

I will let the results speak for themselves and so would not get into a debate whether what I claim is false or not.

I do not think evil has a separate source and my view which I mentioned in one of my previous posts is that evil arises out of ego and inability to have self control. Mind merges with the soul when ego disappears from it. That is self realization. Our mind then knows the truth of brahman. When ego which is maya, is present, mind does not see the truth and one thinks in a narrow selfish way and has no concern for others.

Evil seems to be predominant most of the time because we are in a kaliyuga but our scriptures say that reverse would be the case in Satya and Treta yugas. So it would seem that a mix of both evil and good are present for a definite purpose. Just as space and time got projected they would be de-projected too and as it happens good will be more and more favored and reality will be shorn of its veil at the end.

 

[sravna]

Dear Sravna,

You say "Good veiled by Maya appears Evil"

So by this it clearly shows that the source of Evil is Goodness!

So would you want to destroy Goodness too in order for Evil to be vanquished?

That seems like the only way out isnt it?

How do we 'destroy' Goodness?

We can not destroy anything..Good or Evil..we can only go beyond it.

When we go beyond good and evil..both cease to exists.

There you go ..your problem solved!

No need to email Modi..I solved your problem!LOL

Dear Renuka,

I am not talking about destruction. In any case it would only be the destruction or removal of the veil. Maya is unveiled when stark truth is presented. If those who resort to violence and crime begin to understand about spiritual energy and some intuitive understanding of maya, I think that would sober them up and make them reconsider many of their views that make them resort to violence and crime without any compunction.

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

I am not talking about destruction. In any case it would only be the destruction or removal of the veil. Maya is unveiled when stark truth is presented. If those who resort to violence and crime begin to understand about spiritual energy and some intuitive understanding of maya, I think that would sober them up and make them reconsider many of their views that make them resort to violence and crime without any compunction.

Dear Sravna,

I think you should email Obama instead of Modi.
Obama needs help to deal with ISIS.

With your Maya,projection and de-projection theory you can confuse any ISIS member and they might actually lay down their weapons.

 

[sravna]

Dear Sravna,

I think you should email Obama instead of Modi.
Obama needs help to deal with ISIS.

With your Maya,projection and de-projection theory you can confuse any ISIS member and they might actually lay down their weapons.

Dear Renuka,

Theory is one part. Implementation is the other. Both the parts are required.

 

[renuka]

Dear Sravna,

I have a question for you.

Do you view "Spiritual Energy" as being one and the same as Consciousness or do you view it differently?

 

[sravna]

Dear Sravna,

I have a question for you.

Do you view "Spiritual Energy" as being one and the same as Consciousness or do you view it differently?

Dear Renuka,

Consciousness is nothing but awareness of our own thoughts and of the physical world. The thoughts can be spiritual in nature. In the context of the thread I mean the thoughts as the spiritual energy.

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

Consciousness is nothing but awareness of our own thoughts and of the physical world. The thoughts can be spiritual in nature. In the context of the thread I mean the thoughts as the spiritual energy.

Dear Sravna,


When one is aware of his own thoughts..that means the mind still exists..so how can it be said that Consciousness is awareness of one's own thoughts..that too spiritual in nature?

For the feeling of "spiritual" to exists that affirms that non spirituality too exists..so that is still very much just a non "realized" state.

Consciousness is supposed to be the "ultimate" state where nothing else exists isnt it?

Before that we need to define what are thoughts?

Thoughts are supposed to be mind waves..since its dynamic and not static..it can be classified as "energy" too.

Consciousness is supposed to be Achala..unchanging and not moving..so that means Consciousness can not be energy isnt it?

What say you?

 

[sravna]

Dear Renuka,

Let us assume thoughts are energy. Since each person is aware of one's own thoughts but not of others we can say that each person's thoughts is characterized by some frequency and the brain of each is tuned to receive that frequency only. So a person is aware only of his thoughts and not of others.

Let us consider a hypothetical case where some one's thoughts is totally spiritual in nature. A spiritual thought is something that is not characterized by a frequency as the energy is totally constant. Such a person's thoughts will be received by everybody as it spans all the frequencies and will be received by that person himself too.

So Renuka, the thoughts can be purely spiritual and still one can be aware of them.

what say you?

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

Let us assume thoughts are energy. Since each person is aware of one's own thoughts but not of others we can say that each person's thoughts is characterized by some frequency and the brain of each is tuned to receive that frequency only. So a person is aware only of his thoughts and not of others.

Let us consider a hypothetical case where some one's thoughts is totally spiritual in nature. A spiritual thought is something that is not characterized by a frequency as the energy is totally constant. Such a person's thoughts will be received by everybody as it spans all the frequencies and will be received by that person himself too.

So Renuka, the thoughts can be purely spiritual and still one can be aware of them.

what say you?

Dear Sravna,

One can make out another's thoughts many times by just observing the body language of a person.

How else do you think a female is able to detect which guy fancies her?LOL

Even if someone does not open his mouth we can still "read" his thoughts..you know its much easier to read the thoughts of a male than a female?

By observing one learns a lot of the ways of the mind.

BTW any thought is a mind wave..spiritual or not it leaves an impression in the mind and its also 'energy' and there is a believe that thought waves travel..good or bad it travels.

Have you realized that many times we thought of something and the next moment someone else says the same thing?

 

[renuka]

Dear Sravna,

Its hard to go into details if you still want to hold on to the concept of Spirituality.

That has to be dropped too..in Pure Consciousness nothing can be defined..so even spirituality as you call it..will not exist.

 

[sravna]

Dear Renuka,

You are right about the ability to read the thoughts by observing body language. But I am saying something different. Being aware of other's thoughts as one is aware of one's own thoughts. Sometimes we are aware in such a way of another person's thoughts because the other person's thoughts can vibe with ours.

 

[sravna]

Dear Sravna,

Its hard to go into details if you still want to hold on to the concept of Spirituality.

That has to be dropped too..in Pure Consciousness nothing can be defined..so even spirituality as you call it..will not exist.

Dear Renuka,

Pure consciousness as I understand is nirguna brahman only. Finally our physical world is also a projection of that consciousness. But we ourselves are not able to experience that consciousness because we are limited by our senses and mind. Depending on our capability of our mind each of us see it in different ways and in a limited way. If we are not limited by our mind, only the universal and timeless principles will be seen by us though with the physical reality as a reference. If we are not limited by the physical senses and the body too, we will experience the pure spiritual reality, an experience that is of nirguna brahman. That is what happens when we are liberated from the physical world.

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

Pure consciousness as I understand is nirguna brahman only. Finally our physical world is also a projection of that consciousness. But we ourselves are not able to experience that consciousness because we are limited by our senses and mind. Depending on our capability of our mind each of us see it in different ways and in a limited way. If we are not limited by our mind, only the universal and timeless principles will be seen by us though with the physical reality as a reference. If we are not limited by the physical senses and the body too, we will experience the pure spiritual reality, an experience that is of nirguna brahman. That is what happens when we are liberated from the physical world.

Dear Sravna,

Since you use the word Spiritual so often...can you define it?


To me I feel the word Spiritual was coined based on an Abrahamic religion that has the Holy Communion with the Holy Spirit..hence the word Spiritual.

In Sanskrit there is no term used to describe Spirituality as commonly used in English.

Even the term AdhyAtmika which means "Relating to Self" does not have the exact same meaning as the English word Spirituality.

The English meaning hints about the feeling of Holiness but AdhyAtmika is very technical and just means Relating to Self..the feeling of Holiness is not implied in anyway becos in Hinduism even the feeling of Holiness has to be dropped finally.

 

[sravna]

Dear Renuka,

I use spiritual in the context of energy, something which transcends space and time. In the context of one's beliefs, I use it to mean belief in universal and timeless values and in the context of one's behavior as exhibiting self control and so controlling one's emotions and desires at will. In the context of one's relationship with others I use it to mean to be able to have a unconditional relationship.