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Are Rishis Ordinary Humans? Are their words less authoritative than that of God?

shivakannan

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A few days back I posted a text I wrote about Shruti & Smriti : How they never contradict each other, and how they are equally authoritative. Of course Shruti is regarded as more authoritative because it is the source of Smriti. But we seekers of true Dharma and knowledge can be regarded as thirsty people - if Shruti is sugarcane, Smriti is sugarcane juice. Benevolent Rishis out of their mercy for mankind gave us the meaning of the Vedas in the form of Smritis, Itihasas, and Puranas.

Many say that Smriti is written by humans and Shruti is given by God, hence Shruti is always to be accepted while Smritis have human biases and discrimination. I will narrate a story.

When Maha Vishnu wanted to kill some Asuras, they took shelter in Kavyamala, Rishi Bhrigu's wife. Even after Maha Vishnu told her to move and let him kill the Asuras, Kavyamala refused and said she must give them refuge, and having to defeat the Asuras, Maha Vishnu ended up killing Kavyamala. Bhrigu became furious due to his wife's death and cursed Maha Vishnu saying that he would have to be born on Earth and live in separation from his wife.

God is above all and no curse can be placed on him without his will, but he accepts the curse. Why? Maha Vishnu himself, says, the whole world believes that the speech and will of Rishis is the ultimate truth, and if a Rishi's curse does not come true, the words of that Rishi would be in question. After seeing Bhagavan accept the curse Bhrigu realizes his wife's mistake and tells Maha Vishnu that he need not suffer due to Bhrigu's anger. Even though Rishi Bhrigu gave the curse due to his emotional state, Maha Vishnu accepts it to uphold the words of the Rishis. Maha Vishnu himself says, the authority of Rishis is of most importance and he himself will not let their words ever be false, even if it means ruling Ayodhya after sending Sita Devi to the forest. When Bhagavan himself accepts the words of Rishis and suffers on Earth separate from his wife, what right do ordinary humans have to question their authority or the authority of Smritis?

Bhagavad Gita was given to Arjuna by Purushottama, but still we need a Vyasa to compile Mahabharata so we have access to it. In every part of the process of hearing the Vedas to giving us Dharmashastras, Itihasas, and Puranas, Rishis are involved. If one were to doubt Rishis, he could also make a claim saying that Vyasa just wrote whatever he wanted and given it in the name of Bhagavad Gita. As I have mentioned in my earlier post, even when chanting Vedic mantras, we say the Rishis name before we chant it. If these Rishis were biased, they could have created their own chants and told us it is Vedas. If we are to doubt Rishis, we can keep going on and doubting them. One can do this, that is not my problem.

People of the modern day want to accept Shruti and not Smriti primarily because various types of discrimination seem to be predominantly in the Smritis, and absent in the Shrutis, at first sight. But as I have said already, Shrutis can not be interpreted literally and hence commoners can not claim this or that is absent or present in Shruti. However, the Rishis, who discovered the Vedas and understood their meaning, gave the Smritis to convey the meaning of the Vedas in the form of instruction. Any discrimination in the Smritis has its source in the Shrutis weather we like it or not. I am not telling people to accept discrimination on any basis. I am saying we can not act as if it is absent in the Vedas.

One should either accept both Shruti and Smriti, or accept none. If he accepts Shruti and not Smriti, that is an illogical stance based on what I have written above. I hope Astikas are not misled to such standpoints.

For more knowledge given by Kanchi Mahaperiyava, see the following link : https://www.kamakoti.org/hindudharma/part15/chap8.htm

Jaya Jaya Shankara Hara Hara Shankara.
 
Sanatana Dharmam allows us to choose what we want to follow and what not. Bhagwan in the BG says you may discredit what I myself say if it does not suit you; therefore, technically, even the Vedas have no power over a practising Hindu. Take what you want and leave the rest.

Also, just a correction, the Rishis did not "discover" the Vedas as you have put it, but rather enlightened the masses on the Vedas and codified it (much later- which can also question the validity of the Vedas being without bias).

After my conversation with fellow member Renuka Mami, I have realised that it is better to just say Brahma satya, jagat mithya and move on. Follow what you think is the truth, but do not force it upon others.

P. S.: Just went through what has been written in the blog (though it does not say if Mahaperiva wrote it, from what I could tell. Do let me know if I am mistaken.

Coming back to the matter at hand, if the Smritis were binding, would you consider yourself a follower of ramanujacharya or madhavacharya even though they may be conflicting in certain areas? Also, who decides which Smritis are authoritative? Technically, contemporary books on the understanding of the Vedas et cetera are "Smrithis" in the truest sense, so should I take them to be authoritative as well?
 
Sanatana Dharmam allows us to choose what we want to follow and what not. Bhagwan in the BG says you may discredit what I myself say if it does not suit you; therefore, technically, even the Vedas have no power over a practising Hindu. Take what you want and leave the rest.

Also, just a correction, the Rishis did not "discover" the Vedas as you have put it, but rather enlightened the masses on the Vedas and codified it (much later- which can also question the validity of the Vedas being without bias).

After my conversation with fellow member Renuka Mami, I have realised that it is better to just say Brahma satya, jagat mithya and move on. Follow what you think is the truth, but do not force it upon others.

P. S.: Just went through what has been written in the blog (though it does not say if Mahaperiva wrote it, from what I could tell. Do let me know if I am mistaken.

Coming back to the matter at hand, if the Smritis were binding, would you consider yourself a follower of ramanujacharya or madhavacharya even though they may be conflicting in certain areas? Also, who decides which Smritis are authoritative? Technically, contemporary books on the understanding of the Vedas et cetera are "Smrithis" in the truest sense, so should I take them to be authoritative as well?
A religion which lets its followers choose what to do is not even a religion. Can a person choose to be a criminal because it suits him? Everyone can freely follow what they want. However, a person who does as he or she pelases is not an Astika. These types of believes are normally propagated by the people who want to attract the new generation and give up the Shastras while doing so. To attract the young generations they say things like "Hinduism allows questioning. You can be an atheist and still be Hindu. Hinduisms believes in equality...".

I am from advaita smarta sampradaya. Hence, what Ramanujacharya and Madhvacharya say is not important to me. Adi Shankaracharya's words are true, set in stone for me. Similarly for other sampradayas, they must follow their acharyas scrupulously. Smritis written by Rishis before Adi Shankaracharya, Ramanujacharya, and Madhvacharya are common to all. To know what you must follow, ask the elders of your family. Do not search online where random people post random things.

I want to remind you, I am not telling you to follow me. I am telling you to ask the elders in your family to know your Sampradaya and learn how to live from the acharyas of your sampradaya, be it Vaishnava, Shaiva, Shakta, ... Sampradaya.

Next, what I posted is not a blog. This is from a book called Hindu Dharma which is a compilation of volumes 1 & 2 of Deivathin Kural, a book which contains various discourses / speeches of Mahaperiyava, compiled by Ramachandran (Ra) Ganapathi, who had known Periyava.

Lastly, you quote Bhagavad Gita "Sanatana Dharmam allows us to choose what we want to follow and what not. Bhagwan in the BG says you may discredit what I myself say if it does not suit you; therefore, technically, even the Vedas have no power over a practising Hindu. Take what you want and leave the rest." Did Shankaracharya, Ramanujacharya, or Madhvacharya give such a meaning to the verse in their commentaries? You have no authority to read on your own and produce a meaning based on a direct translation. You have to specify who gave this verse such a meaning. If any of the three above acharyas said you can choose whatever you think suits you, why did they create three sampradayas and tell their followers to follow something? Why did Shankaracharya correct people from following Mimamsa if it "suited them"?

Again, I am not expecting you to change your opinion. I am writing these texts around once in three days, just with the goal of making sure "modern so called Hindu" beliefs do not misguide Astikas.
 

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