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Ramaa
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Dear HH,
Let me give some of mine.
*Self is nothing but 'I'. Sense of self is the understanding who I consider as 'I' (or you consider yourself as 'I' or anyone else considers himself/herself as 'I'). Here people differ in the conception of 'I' or simply put each one has a unique notion of who he/she is.
--Thus a person says: "I am a poet" or "I am a begger" or "I am the soverign" and so on and firmly believes that he/she is so.
--So the conclusion is that the 'sense' is the same but the object of the sense is different. This object of this sense is the 'subject'!
*Everyone has an idea of 'who am I' mostly unconsciously and rarely consciously.
--Unconcious is the one who is carried away by the thoughts and the conscious one discriminates the thoughts. It is only a man of discrimination who can resist the temptation that the thought process leads him into.
*Everyone has an intellect which is either dormant or active in other words, unmanifest or manifest.
--The kaama that manifests in the thought of person of dormant intellect is unrestrained. He is the one who gloats in the joy of success and mortally struck by failures. He is instinct driven like an animal and not an intellect driven man of maturity.
*Every intellect is again (still) conditioned by the desire in the self.
--Kaama is not negated my the intellect (buddhi) on the contrary the intellect efficiently channelise one's thought process for the realization of the kaama.
--ஆசைக்கோர் அள்வில்லை அகிலமெல்லாம் கட்டி ஆளினும்! Yet the Buddhi effectively tries to realize one's dreams!
Now let us consolidate our thoughts so far.
1. The idea of 'who am I' is ingrained in almost everyone. (The rare ones are Mahaathmas to whom no such ingrainment takes place).
2. Kaama in each one is manifest and realized in and through this concept of 'I'.
3. Both thoughts (manas) and intellect (buddhi) are governed by this kaama.
(continued.)
Regards,
Ramaa
P.S:You can post your thoughts, questions on the above before I continue.
Very interesting observation! I like it!!
I seem to have kindled a bright spot hidden in you! Keep it coming!!Do everyone have it or not? If not, why not?
Am told that everyone cannot have "it" (ie., the sense of self / ability to have the desire to know it, in them) - its related to the dynamics of how the universe functions & certain universal laws (big topic, best sought to be understood from a guru, not ppl who are equally seeking it like me). In the early stages, some may have "it" in this birth but it does not mean they will continue to have it in the next birth. It may be pursued a few births later because it may be remembered a few births later. Those that do not have it are not considered bad. Each birth is for some learning, to be able to give up on some desires at the end of it. Even a bad man sometimes comes to a stage where he reconciles with fate - that's his learning for that birth. To seek to pursue something theoretically is diff from seeking to pursue something practically. Some may seek to know the self from books, elders and teachers (considered good but superficial) while some may pursue the same by sitting in a isolated place after being guided by a guru in specific ways (considered the best and most practical path) (and ofcourse if in a forest, then not thinking abt being eaten up by some animal since they have already given up themselves to God).
Let me give some of mine.
*Self is nothing but 'I'. Sense of self is the understanding who I consider as 'I' (or you consider yourself as 'I' or anyone else considers himself/herself as 'I'). Here people differ in the conception of 'I' or simply put each one has a unique notion of who he/she is.
--Thus a person says: "I am a poet" or "I am a begger" or "I am the soverign" and so on and firmly believes that he/she is so.
--So the conclusion is that the 'sense' is the same but the object of the sense is different. This object of this sense is the 'subject'!
*Everyone has an idea of 'who am I' mostly unconsciously and rarely consciously.
--Unconcious is the one who is carried away by the thoughts and the conscious one discriminates the thoughts. It is only a man of discrimination who can resist the temptation that the thought process leads him into.
*Everyone has an intellect which is either dormant or active in other words, unmanifest or manifest.
--The kaama that manifests in the thought of person of dormant intellect is unrestrained. He is the one who gloats in the joy of success and mortally struck by failures. He is instinct driven like an animal and not an intellect driven man of maturity.
*Every intellect is again (still) conditioned by the desire in the self.
--Kaama is not negated my the intellect (buddhi) on the contrary the intellect efficiently channelise one's thought process for the realization of the kaama.
--ஆசைக்கோர் அள்வில்லை அகிலமெல்லாம் கட்டி ஆளினும்! Yet the Buddhi effectively tries to realize one's dreams!
Now let us consolidate our thoughts so far.
1. The idea of 'who am I' is ingrained in almost everyone. (The rare ones are Mahaathmas to whom no such ingrainment takes place).
2. Kaama in each one is manifest and realized in and through this concept of 'I'.
3. Both thoughts (manas) and intellect (buddhi) are governed by this kaama.
(continued.)
Regards,
Ramaa
P.S:You can post your thoughts, questions on the above before I continue.
