Can Advaita and Vishishtadvaita be reconciled?

[kunjuppu]

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dear sangom,

i do not wish to point at usage of english as a measure of one's capacity or intelligence or culture.

but i do think, that most folks who post here, do know the difference between rudeness and politeness.

like nara, i too am agahst, at anyone here calling someone 'ignorant'. add to this, this hari is a newcomer and along with it, obviously lacks the good manners as to how to conduct himself on entry to an established (virtual) household.

we all can & do disagree.

but should we use the words such as 'ignorant', to reinforce our 'knowledge'. can not our erudity and wisdom stand by itself, without resoting to addressing those with other pov with epithets?

when i see such a display, the entire with 99% of possible wisdom, in my view, is negated to zero. people should conduct themselves with dignity.

after all you, nara & i disagree on so many occassions. dont we do that with affection and regard? why is it so difficult for certain other folks?

 

[hariraghavendran]

Dear all,<br>Many members are pouncing on me for the use of my language.But they are missing the point completely.<br>Well now look at the claims made by some of the members here.<br>@ Renuka<br>I myself often wondered why is it so hard for people to realize that one
path is just superimposed on the other and leads to the same
destination eventually but still many wish for it to be distinctly
separate.<br>
Dont know why? May be to keep some traditions alive..sometimes even truth is denied.<br>Here the most humble lady makes a blasphemous claim that our acharyas of advaitha, vishisthadvaitha and dvaitha are just not telling the truth and they are keeping some traditions which is far away from truth to simply keep their tradition alive.<br>This is blasphemous because every acharya or peethadhipathi be it of kanchi, krishna mutt or ahobila , they sincerely try to find out the truth and they only tell us what they found out. They are not liars . They are not propagating or advising something dogmatically to keep running their mutts. <br>Secondly we will look at the Nara statement.<br>I said <br>"Our gurus be it for dvaitha , visisthadvaitha and advaitha have always
held debates for churning out the truth in vedas and they are not there
debating for years for some kidding and giving entertainment"<br>Shri Nara answered like this<br>"I also don't care for his declarations about churning for truth and stuff. Churning superstitions will never produce nectar."<br>Now its a fact that every vedanta school accepts vedas as pramanas, but according to Shri Nara its a superstition and our acharyas are wasting their time there.<br>I thought tamil brahmins is a website where Brahmins will discuss the vedas and vedanta doctrines.<br>But the two statements by these two persons just shakes the founding pillars of vedanta be it advaitha, visisthadvaitha and dvaitha. Now if these statements are made in a brahmin website and people who are brahmins are supporting these statements, then I think god should save us as even brahmins do not believe in their vedas and acharyas.<br>Now as for as the language goes , I do not get any paapa phalam for that statement instead I would get punyam for condemning a blasphemous statement.

 

[sangom]

dear sangom,

i do not wish to point at usage of english as a measure of one's capacity or intelligence or culture.

but i do think, that most folks who post here, do know the difference between rudeness and politeness.

like nara, i too am agahst, at anyone here calling someone 'ignorant'. add to this, this hari is a newcomer and along with it, obviously lacks the good manners as to how to conduct himself on entry to an established (virtual) household.

we all can & do disagree.

but should we use the words such as 'ignorant', to reinforce our 'knowledge'. can not our erudity and wisdom stand by itself, without resoting to addressing those with other pov with epithets?

when i see such a display, the entire with 99% of possible wisdom, in my view, is negated to zero. people should conduct themselves with dignity.

after all you, nara & i disagree on so many occassions. dont we do that with affection and regard? why is it so difficult for certain other folks?

Dear Shri Kunjuppu,

I repeat your sentence "i do not wish to point at usage of english as a measure of one's capacity or intelligence or culture." By the same yardstick why should we try to judge the rudeness or otherwise of a person?

Even if Hari's use of the word "ignorant" is such an anathema in this forum, can any one of us vouchsafe that Renuka is omniscient and to say that she is ignorant of something is such an unpardonable mistake as to invite such harsh criticism from members who are veterans? Obviously favouritism gets revealed, IMO

I have been a witness to the cordiality with which you generally welcome new members and exhort them to contribute. But here you reveal a different facet! Is it not possible to forgive Hari for the mistake if any committed by him (though I do not think so and feel Nara, yourself are 'cultivating' cult-followers like Renuka, to feel more egotistic and pampered in this forum than she actually is now)?

This is a fit case study for the thread "How much of a hypocrite we all are"

 

[kunjuppu]

dear sangom,

i bow before your superior logic.



i feel i am too low and ignorant to 'forgive' anyone. but i sure can withdraw my 'admonition', i guess.

also, i can confirm, that no effort on my part to cultize renuka (pardon me renu for bringing your name here). i agree, it is easy to seem 'ganging up'.

i do notice that harish has posted again. very nicely worded and polite. just an observation here from me, and no judgement

 

[renuka]

dear sangom,

i bow before your superior logic.



i feel i am too low and ignorant to 'forgive' anyone. but i sure can withdraw my 'admonition', i guess.

also, i can confirm, that no effort on my part to cultize renuka (pardon me renu for bringing your name here). i agree, it is easy to seem 'ganging up'.

i do notice that harish has posted again. very nicely worded and polite. just an observation here from me, and no judgement

Hey Kunjs..

How come I am all over the Forum as topic of discussion in so many threads.
Wow I should be running away from paparazzi soon.

In Hamsa mantra thread there I am being accused of Blasphemy,Few days ago accused for Adharma and now in this thread also I am here..heheheheee

I cant stop laughing here..Kunjs you are too cute.

 

[renuka]

Dear Kunjs,

You know in a different thread Brahin was saying some Movie is under production.
You know I am going to make one before he does.

Name of movie : Maa Sherawali..The True Story....

Cast: Narain Kapoor
Santosh Hinduja
Kunjan Pawar
Sargam Nayak

 

[renuka]

Came across in Uddhava Gita commentary by Swami Madhavananda

1)The Universe is merely an appearance,it is Brahman seen through the prism of ignorance.


2)As the spider spreads its web from its heart through the mouth and after playing with it, swallows it again,so the Lord also does with the Universe.

commentary: Ishvara projects the universe out of Himself,maintains it and reabsorbs it and at the end of the cycle into Himself.
Hence the universe is not essentially different from Brahman whose real (according to Dualist) or apparent(according to Advaitists) projection it is.

 

[sravna]

Came across in Uddhava Gita commentary by Swami Madhavananda

1)The Universe is merely an appearance,it is Brahman seen through the prism of ignorance.


2)As the spider spreads its web from its heart through the mouth and after playing with it, swallows it again,so the Lord also does with the Universe.

commentary: Ishvara projects the universe out of Himself,maintains it and reabsorbs it and at the end of the cycle into Himself.
Hence the universe is not essentially different from Brahman whose real (according to Dualist) or apparent(according to Advaitists) projection it is.

I think the reality that the dualists attribute to the physical world is because of its effects but the apparentness attributed by the non-dualist is because it is just an effect.

The impact in the former vs the ephemerality in the latter

 

[Nacchinarkiniyan]

As one who has studied the different systems of Hindu philosophy, I wonder why these two systems should be reconciled?

 

[sravna]

As one who has studied the different systems of Hindu philosophy, I wonder why these two systems should be reconciled?

Dear Sir,

It is to understand whether these two philosophies say the same thing but in a different way or to different audience or has a different focus. At the very least, we can hope to get deeper insights into these two great philosophies.

 

[Nacchinarkiniyan]

Thank you, Sravana.

 

[sravna]

Thank you, Sravana.

You are welcome sir.

 

[N.R.Ranganathan]

Sir,

I do agree. There is no need for any reconciliation between these three philosophical thoughts. As a matter of fact, as someone pointed out in this forum, Adi Sankara himself accepts that the other two paths are necessary. At some stage or the other, Advaita philosophy accepts the others en route.

Re: Bakthi, it is absolutely necessary for both karma and gnana. In fact Acharyal
gives a special importance to Bakthi when he says - moksha sadhana saamagryaam
bakthireva kareeyasi / sva-swaroopa-anusanthaanam bakthi; ithi abhitheeyathe
(sloka 31 of Viveka choodamani ). Please note his definition of bakthi - it is
love of the SELF.

If you see yourself in others , where is the question of hating anyone ? Can you
abuse your image in the mirror, pratipimbha ? It is just like abusing one's own self.

All the roads lead to one goal. When you reach the goal, it is immaterial whether
you have reached there via this or via that. When a christian approached Sri
Chandrasekhara Bharathi of Sringeri and asked him whether he could convert
to Hinduism, MahaSannidhanam replied :' No, not necessary. You can follow
your religion . The teachings contained therein are adequate for you to reach
the goal. '

I will quote another example. There was an inter-religious conference of Hindu
saints, Buddhists and others. There was an argument about PURNA and SUNYA.
Some learned person remarked - what does it matter , when you have realised
the SELF. Let it be anything. It is beyond words, beyond description, beyond
any name and form. Why do you want to give some name and/or form to IT ?

It has,of late, become fashionable to say 'Advaita', 'Advaita' . How many of these
men have realised Brahman ? It is just polemics or varattu vedantam.