Changing Face Of A Super Power

[krish44]

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In today sept 16 MINT a business daily ,US signalled a waning interest in a Free World by revealing his strategey to do as little as possible for tackling ISIS

engaged in setting up an Islamic State[IS] in Middle East.

He indicated that fight was not his job alone and at best his country could do some supporting air strikes.

He expects some arab states to drive away the IS militants themselves.

simlarly US does not want to get involved in Ukraine declaring US has very little trade with ukraine and politically what happens there does not pose a threat to US

Ukraine has been left to hang after security assurances by US to it as per the Budapest memorandum based on which ukraine handed over its nuclear assets to russia in

return

for security guarantee

next now east asia also does not seem to be obamas ' concern .

this might embolden china to fill the policemans role unhindered in east asia

where do the diminishing interest of US leave india if US does not care as it has also been a party to containing of islamic terrorism by supporting US or at least

not doing anything against US actions in its neighbourhood?

the liberals of the world will be happy though

the policeman of the world has hung up his boots

 

[krish44]

continuing the last post

the role of the superpower has changed also in terms of world economics

after the second world war, US recycled its trade surplus tointo war ravaged economies of europe and japan . IT boosted its their productive capacity and transformed them into economic powers

now, it is just a consuming nation and a perpetual trade deficit nation attracting capital from trade surplus coutriesGermany, japan,east asia and china recently'

it boosted the wall street. but manufacturing in US is in doldrums It is a complacent country and comfortable with low productivity.

the dollar has been devalued against other strong currencies.

the country is yet to recover from lehman crisis. its economic image is badly hurt .

will it ever recover ?

 

[sravna]

More than anything else it is the ego of the country that is causing its downfall. No doubt they have impressive list of achievements to talk of but the country got very complacent about them. They were convinced of the "fact"if something is the best it has to be American. That I think started their undoing. It remains to be seen if the country has the resilience to bounce back as it seems have lost a lot of ground and it will take some humility to get back what they have lost.

 

[renuka]

Why is the USA expected to save the world when the world just makes use of USA when they need help.

I can see even Hindu Jagruti Samaj looking up to Obama to solve the ISIL problem but I am sure when any war is over and then the very same East will blame USA for western culture and for the decline of Hindu culture.

Indians themselves go there to earn money...benefit and then sing a different tune that they hold the Indian flag in their heart.

So you see why these double standards?

So I dont think USA is changing its stance..this was long over due..if its not their problem they shouldnt be solving it.

Other countries that brag so much of mind power and eastern culture should just do a Yagna and launch some Brahmastra to rid of ISIL.

What happened to Homa power?

Why no one is using the so called nuclear powered missiles of the Atharveda?

Now since USA has given up..so a new super power should emerge!

After all its the East that keeps bragging about Yada Yada Hi Dharamasya..Glanir Bhavati...so now its the time to prove the Sambhavami Yuge Yuge.

Line up the Homa squad..Launch the Brahmastras!

 

[sangom]

I am not a supporter of the US, as my past posts in this Forum would have shown to my friends who have been here for some years. But grudgingly, I have to admit that whatever the US or the advanced countries of Europe, as also Japan, have been able to achieve, has been caused by their experience in one or both of the World Wars of the preceding century coupled with the fact that the common people in those countries are very disciplined & law-abiding, have great dedication to their work, are not overtly over-religious and covertly corrupt like we people, no work is looked down upon, and by and large, corruption in the day-to-day affairs of the people is practically zero.

Obama, in my view, is taking a most American-type (business-like) policy decision. Way back in 1953, the US removed Mohd. Mossadegh because the Iranian oil reserves were badly needed by both Britain and the US. The West's dependence on Gulf oil made them dabble in the middle-east thus far. Now US seems to be becoming self-sufficient in oil but is expected to export oil too within the next 3 years or so. Like the proverbial Uncle Sam, the US will now try to ensure that it calls the shots in world oil market. The arab countries may not be wise enough to gauge uncle Sam and may go down fighting with each other, like the Vrishnis in the Mahabharata story!

So, we still have to wait and watch before we write the epitaph on US' grave. But, to me, the question we should ask is whether India can confidently emulate US in becoming self-sufficient in oil; even if that is not possible, can we become self-sufficient in nuclear power plants, manufacture of computer chips and other hardware etc., without any imports and can we hope to produce world-class goods for export (any type of goods) at competitive prices?

 

[sravna]

Why is the USA expected to save the world when the world just makes use of USA when they need help.

I can see even Hindu Jagruti Samaj looking up to Obama to solve the ISIL problem but I am sure when any war is over and then the very same East will blame USA for western culture and for the decline of Hindu culture.

Indians themselves go there to earn money...benefit and then sing a different tune that they hold the Indian flag in their heart.

So you see why these double standards?

So I dont think USA is changing its stance..this was long over due..if its not their problem they shouldnt be solving it.

Other countries that brag so much of mind power and eastern culture should just do a Yagna and launch some Brahmastra to rid of ISIL.

What happened to Homa power?

Why no one is using the so called nuclear powered missiles of the Atharveda?

Now since USA has given up..so a new super power should emerge!

After all its the East that keeps bragging about Yada Yada Hi Dharamasya..Glanir Bhavati...so now its the time to prove the Sambhavami Yuge Yuge.

Line up the Homa squad..Launch the Brahmastras!

Dear Renuka,

The rest of the world does not need USA to save it. It is a ridiculous idea. On the contrary One would prefer that they not try to corrupt or harm it.

It is true that mind power is mightier than the physical or psychotronic weapons. I myself have made an open challenge that the use of the psychotronic and electromagnetic weapons which are more powerful than nuclear bombs, can produce no effect on me.

Mind power is real. If the mind can act like a brahmadanda it can also launch brahmastras. So I think you need to get the facts right.

 

[renuka]

Mind power is real. If the mind can act like a brahmadanda it can also launch brahmastras. So I think you need to get the facts right.

Then launch!

 

[sravna]

Then launch!

This is serious power. I cannot ignore the consequences!

 

[tks]

American citizens by and large are not for getting engaged in conflicts in other parts of the world. There are series of sanctions against Russia for its role in the Ukraine border and for having played an indirect role in the downing of the passenger plane. These sanctions are not by USA only.

ISIL while wanting to punish the west, is made up of Sunni extremists waging war over other factions of Islam. This is because the nascent Iraqi Government promoted governance of discrimination against the minority Sunnis. ISIL is an organization carrying the war that began centuries ago between Sunnis and Shia Muslims.

Obama is not a king and his words are not final. His approach to executive actions may be tentative and he does not have American people's categoric support for playing a stronger role in such conflicts at this point.

All this can change based on if the US interests are affected.

I think there is a general sense in the world that no one wants to get involved in the internal crisis of other countries.

I have not seen any major stories recently that there was any strategic policy shifts in the US role in these conflicts.

 

[renuka]

This is serious power. I cannot ignore the consequences!

Dear Sravna,

Can you launch or not?

ISIL problem has to be solved.

It has affected the minds of many ..a doc friend of mine is saying his psychotherapy patient load is increasing becos of ISIL... people fear world wide terrorism and some needed hypnotherapy to calm down.

 

[krish44]

Americans must be wary of their leaders playing the policeman role around the world after seeing the price they are paying in terms of human lives .

they perhaps do not mind applying economic pressure on countries which do not accept american supremacy.

all this might change ,if a republican govt takes over after obamas' term ends

with a pliant UN , there may be more american misadventures with a new trigger happy govt

still they might be thinking of subduing some other power- who knows china could be the target?

already there is talk of encirclement of china with japan and india playing a role with tacit US support

it requires only a think tank to give such ideas to american leaders.

suddenly modi is being engaged by the US after being sidelined

americans can change over night if it suits their interests .

good guys become bad and vice versa depending on their national interest

taliban were good guys for engaging russians in afganisthan

they were branded as terrorists later to be shut in guantanamo bay after 9/11.

it is muslims who are the targets now ,it might be the hindus if it suits american interests

indian americans beware . it might be your turn next.lol

 

[sravna]

Dear Sravna,

Can you launch or not?

ISIL problem has to be solved.

It has affected the minds of many ..a doc friend of mine is saying his psychotherapy patient load is increasing becos of ISIL... people fear world wide terrorism and some needed hypnotherapy to calm down.

Dear Renuka,

Though the power is real and incredible I cannot take actions on my own. But I am seriously willing to let the power be employed if it is in the common good of the world.

So I openly offer to help any good cause.

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

Though the power is real and incredible I cannot take actions on my own. But I am seriously willing to let the power be employed if it is in the common good of the world.

So I openly offer to help any good cause.

So you are confidant that you can launch a Brahmastra?

 

[sravna]

So you are confidant that you can launch a Brahmastra?

Yes, but I do not think a brahmastra is a solution to all the problems. Then there is no point in my criticizing the Americans for their approach to problems. One can also try to influence events, present experiences which can make them think deeper and so try to influence the minds of the wrong doers. That I think though a lot more effort is a better solution.

I am not saying I can do this but it can be experimented as I strongly believe in an underlying spiritual reality which can be accessed by spiritual powers and be influenced and I believe it is that reality that unfolds as the physical and mental reality.

 

[CHANDRU1849]

The meaning of Superpower, I think, has changed considerably over the years. Earlier, it was thought that a country which is powerful both militarily and economically is a Superpower. After 9/11, it is proved beyond doubt that even fringe groups can handle sophisticated weapons, devise plans for destruction precisely.

Under the present situation, a Superpower is a country which has a stable economy, unemployment to the minimum, democracy, freedom of thinking, encouragement in scientific and medical research etc. I think Scandinavian countries, Japan and Singapore may fit in in this category of Superpower.

 

[vgane]

The meaning of Superpower, I think, has changed considerably over the years. Earlier, it was thought that a country which is powerful both militarily and economically is a Superpower. After 9/11, it is proved beyond doubt that even fringe groups can handle sophisticated weapons, devise plans for destruction precisely.

Under the present situation, a Superpower is a country which has a stable economy, unemployment to the minimum, democracy, freedom of thinking, encouragement in scientific and medical research etc. I think Scandinavian countries, Japan and Singapore may fit in in this category of Superpower.

Dear Shri Chandru,

I think the countries that you are referring to are the most Happiest esp Denmark, Norway, Switzerland and Netherlands occupy the top 4 slots in Happiness...US is no 17 and Singapore is 30 in the list as per 2013 ranking

 

[krish44]

Dear Shri Chandru,

I think the countries that you are referring to are the most Happiest esp Denmark, Norway, Switzerland and Netherlands occupy the top 4 slots in Happiness...US is no 17 and Singapore is 30 in the list as per 2013 ranking

bhutan ruler has coined an expression Gross Happiness Index which he considers more relevant than GDP of a countrty.

 

[CHANDRU1849]

bhutan ruler has coined an expression Gross Happiness Index which he considers more relevant than GDP of a countrty.

GDP is more of a technical term. I don't think it is correct to assess the prosperity of a country in terms of GDP.

 

[biswa]

Yet another America bashing thread. Who would you prefer: Russia, China, Japan or India???

 

[biswa]

The Scandinavian countries are happy in name only. They have major, major problems with alcoholism and depression. You should read "Girl with the Dragon Tattoo".

People in Singapore are the most stressed in South East Asia. Every country has its own problems. You have to find paradise in your own life.

 

[prasad1]

Yet another America bashing thread. Who would you prefer: Russia, China, Japan or India???

Where were you when we needed you. LOL
The op of Krishji is spot on

The policeman of the world has hung up his boots

And that is what everybody wanted. But now there is a vacuum, let us see how the world manages it.

 

[biswa]

It's weird. If you invade another country, then it's a problem. If you dont invade, that's also a problem.

Let me repeat myself. America is not homogeneous. Barack Obama is not George W. Bush just like Narendra Modi is not Sonia Gandhi. Get it?

 

[tks]

Yet another America bashing thread. Who would you prefer: Russia, China, Japan or India???

Some threads are more appropriate for bashing America in my view .. This one is more suited for that purpose. People may have different views about role of America in world conflicts. The legitimate views may come across as bashing and that in my view is fine. It does not reflect one's prejudices at a personal level.

However most people here who love to bash America and west at any opportunity have never had any friends who are from other cultures and races.

Also if one were honest, almost everything a middle class person does around the world in their daily life is due to innovation that had strong roots in USA and west. These people do not realize that the innovation culture did not come about accidentally. They know they are benefitting from all the innovation which has improved their life style.

Dale Carnegie stated (another American) that unjustified criticism is a form of compliment.

These middle class prejudices coupled with predominantly their tamasic lifestyles defined by a life bureaucracy gives rise to envy of America.
So regardless of the nature of the topic of a thread some may love to bash America!

Having said all this, the topic of this thread is fine for bashing America - let the bashers unite and have fun

 

[sravna]

Some threads are more appropriate for bashing America in my view .. This one is more suited for that purpose. People may have different views about role of America in world conflicts. The legitimate views may come across as bashing and that in my view is fine. It does not reflect one's prejudices at a personal level.

However most people here who love to bash America and west at any opportunity have never had any friends who are from other cultures and races.

Also if one were honest, almost everything a middle class person does around the world in their daily life is due to innovation that had strong roots in USA and west. These people do not realize that the innovation culture did not come about accidentally. They know they are benefitting from all the innovation which has improved their life style.

Dale Carnegie stated (another American) that unjustified criticism is a form of compliment.

These middle class prejudices coupled with predominantly their tamasic lifestyles defined by a life bureaucracy gives rise to envy of America.
So regardless of the nature of the topic of a thread some may love to bash America!

Having said all this, the topic of this thread is fine for bashing America - let the bashers unite and have fun

Dear Shri TKS,

There is no envy of America for sure. We see threads where India bashing occurs and I agree that many of which are justified. So if someone is critical of America justifiably, should that be viewed as America bashing? I am sure you would agree despite many of the positive things they have given to the world like innovations in Science and Technology, America has had strong negative influence too especially in the influence of the way people think about a number of things.

If you let me to either choose one of Science and Technology or moral values for betterment of life , without any hesitation I would choose the latter. Unfortunately they have been antithetical though they need not be. That is the reason that I stated America needs to be more humble as it is actually learning to be now as others can catch up with their Science and Technology. But America has much more to catch up on the moral things;

 

[tks]

Dear Shri TKS,

There is no envy of America for sure. We see threads where India bashing occurs and I agree that many of which are justified. So if someone is critical of America justifiably, should that be viewed as America bashing? I am sure you would agree despite many of the positive things they have given to the world like innovations in Science and Technology, America has had strong negative influence too especially in the influence of the way people think about a number of things.

If you let me to either choose one of Science and Technology or moral values for betterment of life , without any hesitation I would choose the latter. Unfortunately they have been antithetical though they need not be. That is the reason that I stated America needs to be more humble as it is actually learning to be now as others can catch up with their Science and Technology. But America has much more to catch up on the moral things;

Sri Sravana

I know people who follow Dharma (which better describes what I have in my mind and I do not like the judgemental word moral) in all countries.

The government may be more aligned with Dharma if its people elected the right rulers. By the rulers they end up having, a government may be Dharmic or Adharmic. USA has had periods of Adharmic actions like all other countries and it has also done many Dharmic activities in the world.

In my view, it is a false choice to think in terms of technology vs Dharma because they are really not contradictory. The same Google that can help you find porn and can also help find topics to grow one's mind.

I also do not think that America and West is any worse in terms of following Dharma when compared to today's India.

For ordinary people, India is corrupt. There is very little appreciation for the teachings of Sanathana Dharma. The community level responsibilities of most Indian citizens is nonexistent. A policeman may beat up an individual without due process. The police may take no action when a rape is reported. A person will just dirty up a rest room in a plane without regard to the next person who may want to use it. People will spit on the road. The Samashti Dharma is totally lacking which is not the case in many countries of the west.

At an individual level, the ethics (Vyashti Dharma) are stronger in India compared to the west.

True Dharmic people need to follow duties of both - Samashti and Vyashti which is a way to understand the principles of Sanathana Dharma.

India does not have any leg up with respect to other countries though I have high hopes with the new government giving hopes to hopeless.


Justifiable bashing of a country is fine on its policies and actions. But personalizing this on irrelevant topics is petty. That is what I was saying.

This is particularly striking when these people who like to bash in any irrelevant topics are actually benefitting from the innovations of the west. This forum would not have been possible without progress in Internet, world wide web and other applications all of which originated from USA or the West in general. Indians in USA did play major role but mostly as American Citizens. So when bashing happens in an irrelevant manner and in that the sense of gratitude is missing.

Topics about a countries actions are fine to critique when the thread is about that.