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Did you know ?

" India was the richest country on Earth until the time of the British in the earty 17th Century "

" India invented the Number System. Zero was invented by Aryabhatta. The place value system, the decimal system was developed in India in 100 BC "

" India never invaded any country in her last 10,000 years of history. "

" India is the only society in the world which has never known slavery."

" The World's first university was established in Takshila (India) in 700 BC. Students from all over the World studied more than 60 subjects. "

- IndiaTravelNotes.Com


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[prasad1]

Did you know ?

" India was the richest country on Earth until the time of the British in the earty 17th Century "

" India invented the Number System. Zero was invented by Aryabhatta. The place value system, the decimal system was developed in India in 100 BC "

" India never invaded any country in her last 10,000 years of history. "

" India is the only society in the world which has never known slavery."

" The World's first university was established in Takshila (India) in 700 BC. Students from all over the World studied more than 60 subjects. "

- IndiaTravelNotes.Com


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I know Indologist will be up in arms.
India as a country in geographical terms came to exist only after the british created it. Before that there were multiple independent country constantly at war with each other. Please get your facts, because laws are for a physical country with a government.

Slavery in India ,Africa,America{&,ANCIENT ROMAN AND EGYPTIAN EMPIRES}

Hindus were especially in demand in the early modern Central Asian slave markets, with Indian Hindu slaves specially mentioned in waqafnamas, and archives and even being owned by Turkic pastoral groups.In September 1687, 665 slaves were exported by the English from Fort St. George, Madras. Finally, in 1694-96, when warfare once more ravaged South India, a total of 3,859 slaves were imported from Coromandel by private individuals into Ceylon
According to Sir Henry Bartle Frere (who sat on the Viceroy's Council), there were an estimated 8,000,000 or 9,000,000 slaves in India in 1841. In Malabar, about 15% of the population were slaves.

As per the Jatakas persons can be converted into slaves by the following means: 1) By punishment 2) By being born to a slave, 3) By being captured in raids, 5) By being received as a gift , 6) By voluntary acceptance of enslavement 7) By fear (intimidation to accept slave status). These references support the view that though on a limited Scale; slavery did exist in India.

King Harishchandra put himself up for sale. He was brought by a Chandala (crematorium keeper) for the paltry sum of 250 gold coins. Thus Vishwamitra's dakshina was redeemed. Harishchandra began working as the Chandala's servant. His job was to collect the fee from the relatives of the dead and then arrange for cremation of the dead-bodies.

The Maurya Empire (321BC-185BC) was the largest and most powerful political and military empire of ancient India.
Originating from the kingdom of Magadha in the Indo-Gangetic plains of modern Bihar and Bengal, and with its capital city of Pataliputra (near modern Patna), the Empire was founded in 321 BCE by Chandra Gupta Maurya, who had overthrown the Nanda Dynasty and begun expanding his power across central and western India. The Empire stretched to the north along the natural boundaries of the Himalayas, and to the east stretching into what is now Assam. To the west, it reached beyond modern Pakistan and included Baluchistan in Persia and significant portions of what is now Afghanistan, including the modern Herat and Kandahar provinces. The Empire was expanded into India's central and southern regions by Emperor Bindusara, but it excluded a small portion of unexplored tribal and forested regions near Kalinga. There are many instances of Indian princely states invading other states (countries).

Even Independent India invaded (liberated) East-pakistan and created Bangladesh.

Do not parrot a lie or do not create a lie, there is ample proof in history to disprove your contentions.

 

[Acharya]

As mentioned by prasad, India, which is officially christened as 'Republic of India' was born only on 15th of August, 1947. Until such time it was conceived in the embryo of the British Empire.

Let us talk about the present. We cannot live in the past.

India has the resources and potentials to be the richest country in the world. The resources need to be harnessed to reap the benefit. We boast about 'Unity in Diversity' but unity hardly exists. Empty boasting on past glory does no good.

 

[tbs]

hi
generally speaking india was called 'BHARATA VARSHE BHARATA KANDE'.....bharatha desam was continent from vietnam to

upto iran present day....it was big continent.....

 

[sarang]

Blowing one's own trumpet, even if the tune is true, will offend the feathers of neo literates. And US parrots screech louder than desi parrots. Statements that glorify bharat will need more proof and back up data (available in plenty); if one relies on communists and anglo-indologists and psec historians, redemption is difficult.

Did you know ?

" India was the richest country on Earth until the time of the British in the earty 17th Century "

" India invented the Number System. Zero was invented by Aryabhatta. The place value system, the decimal system was developed in India in 100 BC "

" India never invaded any country in her last 10,000 years of history. "

" India is the only society in the world which has never known slavery."

" The World's first university was established in Takshila (India) in 700 BC. Students from all over the World studied more than 60 subjects. "

- IndiaTravelNotes.Com


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[sarang]

One cannot live in the past and has to live in the present is a valid statement; we all do that. That does not mean past is to be wiped out or twisted and misunderstood. Borders of many countries have been redrawn in the past 50 years and this will continue in future as well. Even india, which had 56 mahadesams in the past or hundreds of kings in the british time. There is no guarantee that present india will remain so in future. Even the tamil country had chera, chola and pandya kingdoms.

Concept of bharatavarsha is quite different from the what we understand as country-india of today. To understand cultural unity, one must study past history (not by biased historians), and vast indic literature available.

Communism model has collapsed in 100 years. Cracks are appearing in the west capitalist models which put money on top (some countries are close to bankruptcy).

A country which forgets its culture, language and traditions is a sad country.

If unity can be achieved in understanding and preserving our rich culture, rest will follow. Unity to make money is not a stable proposition.

Please do not dismiss the past.

As mentioned by prasad, India, which is officially christened as 'Republic of India' was born only on 15th of August, 1947. Until such time it was conceived in the embryo of the British Empire.

Let us talk about the present. We cannot live in the past.

India has the resources and potentials to be the richest country in the world. The resources need to be harnessed to reap the benefit. We boast about 'Unity in Diversity' but unity hardly exists. Empty boasting on past glory does no good.

 

[prasad1]

The labels like communist does not stick.
This is height of hypocrisy. Talk of unity from a person who wants to rid India of all non-hindus.
Like Mr, TBS said the Bharat Varse is a nebulous term and can not be used to denote a particular country.
Those who claim that there is one homogeneous culture in India, do not understand the word "culture".

And US parrots screech louder

, sorry not as loud as the bigoted Indian parrot, because they see that India is progressing and they are getting left behind.

 

[ozone]

For the kings, fights and expansion were considered Raja Dharmam.
There were no communal violence except provoked by outsiders. Its a wonder why some of the wise dont get it.

 

[prasad1]

As mentioned by prasad, India, which is officially christened as 'Republic of India' was born only on 15th of August, 1947. Until such time it was conceived in the embryo of the British Empire.

Let us talk about the present. We cannot live in the past.

India has the resources and potentials to be the richest country in the world. The resources need to be harnessed to reap the benefit. We boast about 'Unity in Diversity' but unity hardly exists. Empty boasting on past glory does no good.

You said it right. Some of these people claiming the greatness is antiquity are the ones longing for a HINDU-Nation INDIA. They would like to ignore the inconvenient truth.

 

[prasad1]

For the kings, fights and expansion were considered Raja Dharmam.
There were no communal violence except provoked by outsiders. Its a wonder why some of the wise dont get it.

Do we really know the fate of common man in antiquity? We do not have written history. Only glimpse of the life style is from foreign tourists. Outsider, can be next princely state. In every war innocent are the victims. There are no victimless war.
Just because you add a word Dharam you do not sanctify a war.

 

[HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA]

that's why a lot of compromise was made by dharmaraja , when all are rejected by duryodhana and after trying all the resources in hand for peace. dharmaraja is left with no choice.

wen the war began , arjuna refused to participate only after bhagavat geeta and b
vishwaroopa dharshan of lord. the war took place .

i think the stakes of a wArfare is understood by kings of yore. but still one can be allowed to say raja dharma is wage war. one should try to understand in proper perspective

 

[renuka]

hi
generally speaking india was called 'BHARATA VARSHE BHARATA KANDE'.....bharatha desam was continent from vietnam to

upto iran present day....it was big continent.....

Yes you are right even Malaysia was included and it was known as Swarnabhumi.

 

[HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA]

prasad ji

nobody voiced against your positive thots , please do your part to install personal responsibility to Indian minds no body is against it (before that lead by example , take personal responsibility to read what others write before you jump gun).

 

[prasad1]

prasad ji

nobody voiced against your positive thots , please do your part to install personal responsibility to Indian minds no body is against it (before that lead by example , take personal responsibility to read what others write before you jump gun).

" India never invaded any country in her last 10,000 years of history. "
Please read my post#2
There never was a country called India before British. The republic of India was born on the 26th Jan, 1950.
The republic of India Invaded or liberated with armed intervention in East-pakistan to create Bangladesh.
In ancient times princely state were in constant state of war they would invade each others land.


" India is the only society in the world which has never known slavery."
According to Sir Henry Bartle Frere (who sat on the Viceroy's Council), there were an estimated 8,000,000 or 9,000,000 slaves in India in 1841. In Malabar, about 15% of the population were slaves.
King Harishchandra put himself up for sale. He was brought by a Chandala (crematorium keeper) for the paltry sum of 250 gold coins. Thus Vishwamitra's dakshina was redeemed. Harishchandra began working as the Chandala's servant. His job was to collect the fee from the relatives of the dead and then arrange for cremation of the dead-bodies.

where is the question of jumping Gun?
If you do not want to know the facts please refrain from posting lie.

 

[ozone]

where is the question of jumping Gun?
If you do not want to know the facts please refrain from posting lie.

a more useful approach would have been to seek clarification.
Besides, he isnt the first one to say this, right?

 

[prasad1]

a more useful approach would have been to seek clarification.
Besides, he isnt the first one to say this, right?

Does repeated lie become a fact?
What clarification? I answered all his claims and proved they were wrong.
Mr HRHK,
said I should read more of his reading before posting replies. I pointed out the errors with facts.
I am as proud of Indian culture (sub sect that I know). I have travelled North, South, and western India very extensively. I was born and brought up outside of Tamil Nadu in a very TB family. I live in USA, among various section of Indian community. I have a pan Indian view. When you are among the trees you can not know the forrest, you have to rise over the trees to get a proper view of the forrest.

 

[HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA]

prasadji

i was responding to post 8 by ozone and to your reply on post 10.

however , your reply on slavery and war is not that black and white this is a grey area. the threat starter is comparing white men of Europe to the men in our land influenced by sanatana dharma at that time .

he was comparing people influenced by dharma didn't commit the most inhumane barbaric and savage acts as done by whites of that period.

people of our land didn't occupy other lands they respected each other and accommodated which is a great virtue. we didn't occupy Arabia we didn't occupy southeast we didn't occupy Africa we didn't occupy Europe , not because we didn't had might but because our dharma taught us to value others.

we didn't forcibly attack like white men attacked black men and made them slave we didn't do that. we didn't occupy other land and force them to change there culture and religion as Muslims of old did. it is simply not in our blood.

this is my perspective.

to say India born only after British went.. etc etc is irrelevant. the whole world knows about it.

 

[HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA]

prasadji

please give due considerations , lets make room for discussion and not put off others ,to win a point please..

sorry if i offended you.

 

[HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA]

harischandra puranam, indicate social norms of the society , which remains the case even now ..how many people leave their families to foreign soil to make ends meet.

arullillarkku avvulagam illai porullillarkku
ivvulagam illai.

is eternal truth. even though it is in the shade of slavery it is not to the scale what white men did to black men.

economic bondage is different from forced bondage.

 

[prasad1]

harischandra puranam, indicate social norms of the society , which remains the case even now ..how many people leave their families to foreign soil to make ends meet.

arullillarkku avvulagam illai porullillarkku
ivvulagam illai.

is eternal truth. even though it is in the shade of slavery it is not to the scale what white men did to black men.

economic bondage is different from forced bondage.

When you want to write your fantasy it is called fiction. If your post is a fiction then write in the proper section, with preface saying it is your imagination. No one will fact check a fiction. If you write in general discussion or current event then it better be accurate. This site is for exchanging factual information.
When you write a post on internet in a TamilBrahmin site, you have some responsibility to the site owner to be factual. All these posts are picked up on a google search world wide. So it is not like gossiping in the teashop or bar, you have the obligation of checking your information.

A bondage is a bondage. You can cage a bird in gold birdcage, still it would like to be free.
Raja Harischandra's story is a glimpse into the history, slavery must have been prevalent. We do not have written history of that time. My contention with the original post was that it is factually incorrect.

We know of slavery of black man by white man because the white man wrote it down. Slavery has been there in every continent. The Arab had black slaves. The Aztek, the Maya, and even among black people there were slaves.

 

[guruvayurappan]

dear prasad !
can i infer from your posting that in olden days the slavery was not felt and taken as their poorva janma papam ?
guruvayurappan

 

[ozone]

In their zeal to put down a section and their land some folks would discount anything.
Viewing and judging the past with the current circumstances is one such tactic.
For GOD, if there is no proof, he does not exist
For SLAVERY, if there is no proof, they exist

 

[prasad1]

dear prasad !
can i infer from your posting that in olden days the slavery was not felt and taken as their poorva janma papam ?
guruvayurappan

It might be. Again the rigid caste system reduced the untouchables to levels, where some human being were denied civil right. Technically they were not slaves.

 

[HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA]

When you want to write your fantasy it is called fiction. If your post is a fiction then write in the proper section, with preface saying it is your imagination. No one will fact check a fiction. If you write in general discussion or current event then it better be accurate. This site is for exchanging factual information.
When you write a post on internet in a TamilBrahmin site, you have some responsibility to the site owner to be factual. All these posts are picked up on a google search world wide. So it is not like gossiping in the teashop or bar, you have the obligation of checking your information.

A bondage is a bondage. You can cage a bird in gold birdcage, still it would like to be free.
Raja Harischandra's story is a glimpse into the history, slavery must have been prevalent. We do not have written history of that time. My contention with the original post was that it is factually incorrect.

We know of slavery of black man by white man because the white man wrote it down. Slavery has been there in every continent. The Arab had black slaves. The Aztek, the Maya, and even among black people there were slaves.

prasad ji

Again you go shooting spree. I said economic bondage is a everpresent reality. People from less well off regions goes to wealthy regions heavily compromising on there basic human rights , this is happening everywhere in the world. King Harichandra willingly sold himself nobody forced him.

This is reality not fiction.

But to weigh, compare this bondage to bondage by force is not a matured way of looking things.

even in countries like SINGAPORE and US this is happening. Worker are denied visas for spouse and setting up a family. they are treated as worker not as humans with emotions. this is reality common. only based on salary one's privileges are granted. Even very basic privilege like having permission to live with wife and children are denied. this is the reality in past present and future.

Economic bondage is the tool used by rich and powerful men for centuries to get works done and to exploit poor. I don't think anybody can get away from this fact.

What fictitious things I said ?

 

[ravirustam84]

Did you know ?

" India was the richest country on Earth until the time of the British in the earty 17th Century "

" India invented the Number System. Zero was invented by Aryabhatta. The place value system, the decimal system was developed in India in 100 BC "

" India never invaded any country in her last 10,000 years of history. "

" India is the only society in the world which has never known slavery."

" The World's first university was established in Takshila (India) in 700 BC. Students from all over the World studied more than 60 subjects. "

- IndiaTravelNotes.Com


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As someone had already remarked here, India as a country is a creation of the British. The dynasties which came closest to rule all India were the Mauryas and the Khiljis. As for the Mauryas, they did not venture into the Tamil country. And Khilji rule was too short to have any long lasting impact. As a cultural entity, india's borders are vague and ambiguous. the india of the vedas included pakistan, afghanistan and large parts of iran and central asia but not south india. at the time of the buddha, iran was considered to be a separate entity. the mauryan empire included large parts of afghanistan but excluded the tamil country. it was only in the post-mauryan period that the name "bharatakandam" was applied to the roughly all the parts which comprise the india of today.

india could not have been the richest country when the british came. if 800 years of muslim rule had not be able to bring india down from the top position it wud not have been possible in 200 yrs of british rule.

indians fell prey to invaders due to mutual distrust, caste-discrimination and selfishness. the british wud not have made much headway if indians did not have any weaknesses. nevertheless, the british occupied and ruled india because fate willed it so. and in some ways it was for india's good. if the britain had not brought under its control, north india would have been constantly troubled by afghan invasions while tipu sultan's jihad on hindus and christians wud have been left unchecked. anarchy wudve prevailed everywhere. and then introduction of the english language by the british has certainly given us an advantage over china and countries of latin america.