Discriminationn under the very nose of God.

[Raji Ram]

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Dear Balu Sir,

I too have respect for all the members of our forum. But unless we join together, nothing could be achieved.

You won't believe if I say that when T V K Sir and I invited our Sing. Chennai members to my house for a get-

together, while my sis V R mam visited me, only T V K Sir and his wife, Mrs. Dr. Narayani and Mr. Sunil (working

abroad) came! When members are not keen in meeting one another, what could be achieved? Any hope??

Please go through this thread: Meeting in 'Person'

 

[Raji Ram]

The thread grew to 342 posts in 35 pages but only four new faces came to our sweet home!

 

[biswa]

Mrs RR, you are quite the community organizer!

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Biswa Sir,

I am happy to have seen at least four new friends! :thumb:

 

[sangom]

Dear Balu Sir,

I too have respect for all the members of our forum. But unless we join together, nothing could be achieved.

You won't believe if I say that when T V K Sir and I invited our Sing. Chennai members to my house for a get-

together, while my sis V R mam visited me, only T V K Sir and his wife, Mrs. Dr. Narayani and Mr. Sunil (working

abroad) came! When members are not keen in meeting one another, what could be achieved? Any hope??

Please go through this thread: Meeting in 'Person'

Smt. RR,

Unlike personal visit/meeting, I think we can do something in the case of temples. If all the members here make it a point not to visit temples, it will by itself make a definite impact, I think. But then today, people will immediately raise the point of individual freedom, democratic country and so on. By aping the west beyond limits we people have become incapable of doing any common good. Add to this the congenital ego which most tabras possess and you get a community of unmanageable proportions. That is the bane of Tabras.

 

[Raji Ram]

........... If all the members here make it a point not to visit temples, it will by itself make a definite impact, I think. ..........

Dear Sangom Sir,

I think a better idea would be to make it a point to visit and donate to the existing temples which are NOT taken care of.

We visited Thiruputkuzhi where Jatayu is believed to have had his mOksham, ThirupARkadal, Paramapadham and the

huge Adhi Kesava Perumal temple at Sriperumbudur. The first three temples had no other person than us when we visited

and we could see a huge grin of happiness in the face of each of the pujAris one seeing a Rs. 50/ note! In the huge fourth

temple, one pujAri manages two sannadhis and hops between the two, after locking the one he leaves. That is the position.

More over, there is a board kept near the entrance of the temple to show how much a few persons have to pay to the

temple - in lakhs!! The lands are taken for lease and nothing is paid to the temple. Who can take action against these other

than the government? Hence I have no hope. I am sorry to say this.


Here is the display board in front of our kutty Navaneetha Krishanan Kovil in Ram's village:

Most of the temple have enough property which are swindled by some individuals! :shocked:

 

[Raji Ram]

It is said 'Sivan soththu; kula nAsam'. So guys do not fear to cheat 'PerumAL'!!

 

[Raji Ram]

In Vadapalani temple, I saw one pujAri who was collecting bags containing archanai items from bhakthAs.

He just went inside the sanctum and thew the stuff inside and brought already broken coconuts in the bags

to hand over as prasAdham. When people who did not give for archanai placed coins in the Arathi plate, he

started scolding them. 'When you pay fifty rupees for a dOsA at the nearby hotel, why can't you place at least

a twenty rupee note here?' :rant:

I thought to myself, 'Will this guy ever get a chance to enter the heaven, if at all it exists?' :dizzy:

 

[Raji Ram]

Mrs RR, you are quite the community organizer!

I should say that I did not succeed much in my effort!

But I like :grouphug:. Recently when we had a 'siblings meet' at my eldest sister's home, one could not make it!

I requested my 'graphics expert' nephew to add her photo (which I took after two days) in our group photo.

If I click the photos with and without her alternately, it appears like magic!! :thumb:

 

[Brahmanyan]

It is said 'Sivan soththu; kula nAsam'. So guys do not fear to cheat 'PerumAL'!!

Dear Mrs Raji Ram,

Some time back I had been to the famous Thyagarajaswami Temple at Tiruvottiyur in Chennai. Condition of this famous and beautiful Temple showed its poor maintenance due to lack of funds. I found a Tamil Board proclaiming the saying 'Sivan soththu; kula nAsam' and requested the people to return the properties of the Temple if any with them.

Regards,
Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

It is said 'Sivan soththu; kula nAsam'. So guys do not fear to cheat 'PerumAL'!!

You can realize this just by looking at the size of the Naamam
on perumaal's forehead - extending down up to his chin.

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

I should say that I did not succeed much in my effort!

But I like :grouphug:. Recently when we had a 'siblings meet' at my eldest sister's home, one could not make it!

I requested my 'graphics expert' nephew to add her photo (which I took after two days) in our group photo.

If I click the photos with and without her alternately, it appears like magic!! :thumb:

IF I had been told the purpose off the photo,
I could have worn a nice saree and given a broad smile.
I thought it was to study my relative size against that of my sisters!
So you will find me glum and off color in that trick photo.
Sometimes it is good to be explicit in our requirements.

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

In Vadapalani temple, I saw one pujAri who was collecting bags containing archanai items from bhakthAs.

He just went inside the sanctum and thew the stuff inside and brought already broken coconuts in the bags

to hand over as prasAdham. When people who did not give for archanai placed coins in the Arathi plate, he

started scolding them. 'When you pay fifty rupees for a dOsA at the nearby hotel, why can't you place at least

a twenty rupee note here?' :rant:

I thought to myself, 'Will this guy ever get a chance to enter the heaven, if at all it exists?' :dizzy:

Probably he is planning to eat a gold roast masala dosai himself
and is angry that the collection is insufficient.
He too must have bribed someone to get this pujari post.

 

[Raji Ram]

You can realize this just by looking at the size of the Naamam
on perumaal's forehead - extending down up to his chin.

OMG! ithuthAn nAmam chAththaRathA? :dizzy:

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Sis,
You never allow me to keep a secret! eep:

Actually the idea of addition came to me later.

All of us wore simple dress only! So not to worry!

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Mrs Raji Ram,

Some time back I had been to the famous Thyagarajaswami Temple at Tiruvottiyur in Chennai. Condition of this famous and beautiful Temple showed its poor maintenance due to lack of funds. I found a Tamil Board proclaiming the saying 'Sivan soththu; kula nAsam' and requested the people to return the properties of the Temple if any with them...........

Dear Sir,

This is the plight of many temples. The so called care takers of the temple property treat is as if it is given to them

by God and never pay the due to the temples. Most of the temples have vast lands attached to them.

HamArA BhArath mahAn!! :hail:

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

OMG! ithuthAn nAmam chAththaRathA? :dizzy:

So now we know the difference between

naamam podarathu and :decision:

naamam chaatharathu!!!

 

[sangom]

In Vadapalani temple, I saw one pujAri who was collecting bags containing archanai items from bhakthAs.

He just went inside the sanctum and thew the stuff inside and brought already broken coconuts in the bags

to hand over as prasAdham. When people who did not give for archanai placed coins in the Arathi plate, he

started scolding them. 'When you pay fifty rupees for a dOsA at the nearby hotel, why can't you place at least

a twenty rupee note here?' :rant:

I thought to myself, 'Will this guy ever get a chance to enter the heaven, if at all it exists?' :dizzy:

One of the very famous Murugan temple in TN was renovated some years ago. One great Muruga Bhakta who has privileged access to the sanctum santorum during this process told me that they found a stone slab high above the idol (so not visible to devotees, etc.) in the garbha griham. This was inspected for its structural safety and its top was cleaned. And they found only a large number of empty bottles of brandy, whisky, rum etc., there !!

 

[Raji Ram]

........ And they found only a large number of empty bottles of brandy, whisky, rum etc., there !!

Dear Sir,

May be those guys sought God's direct help to keep their secret!

 

[V.Balasubramani]

One of the very famous Murugan temple in TN was renovated some years ago. One great Muruga Bhakta who has privileged access to the sanctum santorum during this process told me that they found a stone slab high above the idol (so not visible to devotees, etc.) in the garbha griham. This was inspected for its structural safety and its top was cleaned. And they found only a large number of empty bottles of brandy, whisky, rum etc., there !!

Sri Sangam Ji, Those intoxigating drinks would have been meant for a break and used as a source of recharge. Who knows they could be popular brands like Vodka, Jonnie Walker, etc. Let the God forgive them.

 

[renuka]

Originally Posted by sangom
........ And they found only a large number of empty bottles of brandy, whisky, rum etc., there !!

Spiritually High!LOL

 

[renuka]

Sri Sangam Ji, Those intoxigating drinks would have been meant for a break and used as a source of recharge. Who knows they could be popular brands like Vodka, Jonnie Walker, etc. Let the God forgive them.

Dear Sir,

Actually God does not have to forgive anyone for consuming alcohol.

Alcohol intoxicates the mind and with that there is a risk of getting addicted and neglecting our basic duties in life and also the risk of health being affected.


To us mere mortals... we look at alcohol as somewhat intoxicating "unholy" drink and Naivedyam as "holy"..but to God I am pretty sure He looks at both as the 5 elements.

So you see..it is not a problem for God who drinks alcohol whether inside or outside a temple... or who consumes the Prasad after offering it as Naivedyam...it is finally left to us to decide what is the best for our life.

 

[KRS]

Dear Dr. Vish Iyer Ji,

Your post stands out to me as a singular one in this thread, (as well as Sri Kunjuppu Ji's and Srimathi VR Ji's) as to why temples are necessary in our religion.

Yes, God is everywhere, according to our religion, but not all men (or women) can see God in everything as some who have commented on this can do. I go to the temple where I live in USA now and then, usually prompted by an inner voice. Otherwise, I am not a temple going type.

But, others that I know, go there frequently, some almost daily, others weekly or monthly.

Unlike other religions,ours is not a very community oriented, but I feel that the temples afford us an opportunity for community worship, as well as exercise the mystic part of our nature, which can not be explained with logic.

In this, my opinion is exactly opposite of Sri Sangom Ji.

Regards,
KRS

​Respects to all,

In my younger days I used to think why go to temple when God is within you. Why go on specific days and times like say, Vaikasi Visakam, Aadi Krithikai etc., when you can have peaceful darshan at other times.

Now I have come to this realization. While it is physically inconvenient to go in a crowd and be pushed around, the impact of that darshan at that specific time is far more than other times. How to have darshan and in which line you stand is an individual prefence. And that is a measure of population explosion and one's own desire for personal comforts. However much one stays at home and meditates, one cannot achieve the same effect as one would in a temple. The same applies to a spiritual journey with the blessings of a Guru like say Mahaperiyava.

I would still go to Sabarimalai rather than another Ayyappa temple, I would still move to Tamilnadu to be in the presence of the multitude of divine temples rather be in the US - just waiting to retire, that's all.

Just think that you have to go through the physical discomfort because of karmic influence.

Thus let us separate the physical discomforts from the effect of visiting temples that are power houses to help us move on in our life journey. Let us stay focused.

Asatho Ma Sath Gamaya (From untruth to truth)
Thamaso Ma Jyothir Gamaya (From darkness to brightness)
Mrithyor Ma Amritham Gamaya (From mortality to immortality)

Vish Iyer MS FRCS

 

[sangom]

Dear Sir,

Actually God does not have to forgive anyone for consuming alcohol.

Alcohol intoxicates the mind and with that there is a risk of getting addicted and neglecting our basic duties in life and also the risk of health being affected.


To us mere mortals... we look at alcohol as somewhat intoxicating "unholy" drink and Naivedyam as "holy"..but to God I am pretty sure He looks at both as the 5 elements.

So you see..it is not a problem for God who drinks alcohol whether inside or outside a temple... or who consumes the Prasad after offering it as Naivedyam...it is finally left to us to decide what is the best for our life.

The issue is not how god looks at alcohol consumption, but what goes on inside temples which are believed to be very highly spiritually elevating centres, which emit certain highly spiritual "vibations" which will react on the body, mind and intellect of some bhaktas and heave them forward in the path of their so-called "spiritual (LOL!) progress" etc.

For the poojari and all those who are employees of the temple, it is just their routine daily work, just as the 'cubicle' is for the average IT employee. That is why the adage goes as "பூசாரிக்கு சாமி வெறும் கல் சிலை தான் (For the poojari, the idol is mere stone.)".
All the rest of the greatness and spirituality that is "imposed" on temples, is mere imaginations of devotees.

Even in pre-buddhist India, there were "Mankhali"s (also called Makkhalis - Makkhali Gosala was one of the teachers of Gowthama, since Gosala's father was a Makkhali.) who used to roam about with an idol/image of some god and people used to put money on the plate holding that image, for the livelihood of those; today's temples are only advanced versions of those Makkhali business and the temple income naturally goes to the people who are behind that "show".

 

[sarang]

It is not late. A simple call to nakkeran or junior vikatan will give wide publicity to the whistle blower and the temple authorities and the slab inspector with a photo feature article. It is quite likely that the press and the blower can recreate the event and a video high trp rating beamed live.

What a waste of divine opportunity?

Long live such clandestine exposures!

One of the very famous Murugan temple in TN was renovated some years ago. One great Muruga Bhakta who has privileged access to the sanctum santorum during this process told me that they found a stone slab high above the idol (so not visible to devotees, etc.) in the garbha griham. This was inspected for its structural safety and its top was cleaned. And they found only a large number of empty bottles of brandy, whisky, rum etc., there !!