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Fascinating fact about 'Atthi Varadar' (Kanchi Varadaraja Perumal)

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Hare Krishna
Did you know that the original deity of Kanchi Sri Varadarajar was installed by Lord Brahma himself?

Here is the fascinating fact about the deity in Kanchi:

Thirukachi or Athigiri Varadaraja Perumal Temple, Kanchipuram:

"The original deity of Lord Varadaraja (Atti Varadar), who is said to have been installed by Lord Brahma himself, is in a silver casket inside the temple tank. The deity of Lord Atthi Varadar made of Atthi wood, is consecrated in the four-pillared mandapam inside the Ananda Saras.
The Moolavar informed the priest in his dream that He could not bear the heat as the idol came out of Yagna fire. The lord told the priest to do abhisekam in hundreds measures of water vessel or to keep inside water. He said that the moolavr at a place called 'Palaya Seevaram', about 20kms from Kanchipuram could be replaced.
Also it was instructed to take out the Atthigiri Varadar once in 40 years and worship for 48 days (10 days?).
Thus the idol is taken out of the water once in 40 years and placed for darshan for 48 days (10 days ?) before it is again put into the water. The last time the Lord gave darshan was in 1979.
The answerer visited Varadaraja perumal Temple on 17th July 1979 and had the darsan of Atthi Varadar.
The next dharsan will be likely from 15th July 2019.

Another Version:

During the Muslim invasion, the moolavar deity (Lord Varadarajan) is said to have been damaged. As a damaged deity could not be worshipped, it was immersed in the temple tank. The moolavar that we see today at Kanchipuram was brought from Palaya Seevaram, about 20kms from Kanchipuram. In memory of this, the Utsava idol of Lord Varadarajan is taken on a procession once a year, during the Tamil month of Thai (Jan-Feb) to Palaya Seevaram. Lord Narasimha is also taken on a procession to Keela Seevaram during the Sankaranthi period (Kanu). "

Ref:
https://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110217222912AAccoLU
https://www.facebook.com/events/420928674694349/?ref=5


 
Thirukachi or Athigiri Varadaraja Perumal Temple, Kanchipuram:

"The original deity of Lord Varadaraja (Atti Varadar), who is said to have been installed by Lord Brahma himself, is in a silver casket inside the temple tank. The deity of Lord Atthi Varadar made of Atthi wood, is consecrated in the four-pillared mandapam inside the Ananda Saras.
The Moolavar informed the priest in his dream that He could not bear the heat as the idol came out of Yagna fire. The lord told the priest to do abhisekam in hundreds measures of water vessel or to keep inside water. He said that the moolavr at a place called 'Palaya Seevaram', about 20kms from Kanchipuram could be replaced.



During the Muslim invasion, the moolavar deity (Lord Varadarajan) is said to have been damaged.



I have always wondered that Idols are consecrated and given "life" and some idols have Divine Origin where they are installed by Divinities themselves like in this case mentioned above.

But at the same time we start to wonder how come an Invader could just damage an idol?

Invaders were barbaric enough to break idols and destroy temples.

So it makes you think if an Idol is totally "Divine" how come it does not defend itself and succumbs and crumbles to an invader?

So what is now?

Is it our mind that perceives the idol as holy and we start to "feel" divinity purely becos of the power of auto suggestion?

If we can perceive an idol as holy..why do we limit our perception to only an idol?

Are these idol breaking episodes in history eye openers to us that as long we view God purely in an Idol that perception can be shattered into pieces as the idol breaks?


So what is unbreakable?

May that which is unbreakable is what we should focus on.
 
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Dear Renu,

You ask 'What is unbreakable?'

Answer: Our faith in God! :pray:

Exactly!

RR ji..Faith is the only thing that can not be broken by another but faith can be broken by our own selves. So whether Idol is present or absent..its our mind that decides everything.

So its finally back to what Lord Krishna said:


उद्धरेदात्मनात्मानं नात्मानमवसादयेत् ।

आत्मैव ह्यात्मनो बन्धुरात्मैव रिपुरात्मन: ।।



Let the self be uplifted by self, not bring downfall by self

Self indeed is the friend of self, self alone is its enemy

 
Dear Renu,

So, why do we need temples and idols of Gods / Goddesses? The answer is simple.

Since human mind is a monkey and can not concentrate on the Almighty, the idols are made.

When we go to a temple, we think of the Almighty and pray. :)

The poojA room in the residence also serves the same purpose of prayer.
 
Dear Renu,

So, why do we need temples and idols of Gods / Goddesses? The answer is simple.

Since human mind is a monkey and can not concentrate on the Almighty, the idols are made.

When we go to a temple, we think of the Almighty and pray. :)

The poojA room in the residence also serves the same purpose of prayer.


Dear RR ji,

Agreed..but the mind can remain a "monkey' even if a 1000 temples are in front of us.

So only we can take charge of ourselves..therefore I have learnt to fall in love with the "monkey" I am!LOL

There is no use fighting the "monkey" mind...we must learn to enjoy leaping from tree to tree in life but just do not stop to eat any fruits..so we only perform action and not hanker for any fruit.
 
Namaste Renuka,

It is not that god (of any form) does not have the capacity to protect himself. It is just that in Kaliyuga, god chooses to remain the subtle, not obviously seen or felt force, because the yuga has to proceed according to the dictums.

There have been instances when the god statues have performed miraculous things, for instance. During Thirumangai Azhwar's time, for instance, when the chieftain saint tried to build a third wall for Sri Ranganatha Swami temple at SriRangam, he runs short of money, and eyes at a Buddha statue at Nagapattinam made of gold for melting. Here you will read the story of the buddha statue running in order to avoid being melted down:

Then he decided to build Vimana Gopura and compound called Praharas. He had no money left. Thirumangai then came to know of the Buddha Vihara at Nagapattinam, where there was lot of wealth. There was a golden idol of Buddha to guard which was a chakra rotating. When he reached with his disciples at the Buddha Vihara, he saw the chakra rotating. To stop the rotating chakra, he hit upon on an idea. He brought the bark of a plantain tree and wound in round the chakra. Then he sent one of his disciples, bidding him to get down through the hole and get the Buddha made of gold. When the disciple tried to lift the idol, it started running all around the vihara. Thirumangai then through the hole taught the disciple a mantra by reciting which the idol would stop running. On reciting this mantra, the idol fell on the ground; the disciple picked up and handed it over to Thirumangai. They then proceeded to Srirangam over night.


Likewise, there was a statue made of "Butter" that did not melt which Vasishta maharishi had, till Lord Krishna himself decided to come down in a boy form to eat it away!

Like this, if you search, you will come upon many different stories w.r.t statues... some saying the statue could not be made other than a particular way even when tried a 100 times... and so forth... All for us to learn and accept that statues represent divine energy and are objects of reverence to the faithful.
 
Namaste Renuka,

It is not that god (of any form) does not have the capacity to protect himself. It is just that in Kaliyuga, god chooses to remain the subtle, not obviously seen or felt force, because the yuga has to proceed according to the dictums.

here have been instances when the god statues have performed miraculous things, for instance. During Thirumangai Azhwar's time, for instance, when the chieftain saint tried to build a third wall for Sri Ranganatha Swami temple at SriRangam, he runs short of money, and eyes at a Buddha statue at Nagapattinam made of gold for melting. Here you will read the story of the buddha statue running in order to avoid being melted down:


Then he decided to build Vimana Gopura and compound called Praharas. He had no money left. Thirumangai then came to know of the Buddha Vihara at Nagapattinam, where there was lot of wealth. There was a golden idol of Buddha to guard which was a chakra rotating. When he reached with his disciples at the Buddha Vihara, he saw the chakra rotating. To stop the rotating chakra, he hit upon on an idea. He brought the bark of a plantain tree and wound in round the chakra. Then he sent one of his disciples, bidding him to get down through the hole and get the Buddha made of gold. When the disciple tried to lift the idol, it started running all around the vihara. Thirumangai then through the hole taught the disciple a mantra by reciting which the idol would stop running. On reciting this mantra, the idol fell on the ground; the disciple picked up and handed it over to Thirumangai. They then proceeded to Srirangam over night.







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dear JR,

I beg to differ..I do not subscribe to the understanding that God chooses to remain "subtle" in Kali Yuga hence this happens or that happens.

The Yugas themselves keep changing in a cyclical manner and this ain't the first Kali Yuga.

So why blame the Yuga and its so called effects when it changes like seasons?

Do we blame Summer and prefer Spring and hate Winter?

Nope we dont cos that is Nature and beyond our control.

So technically speaking when we do not have answers we blame it on the effects of Kali Yuga.

Yes I agree that I have heard statues of God performing miracles ..this I do not deny but yet again it makes you wonder that the very same statue never defends itself when faced with an Abrahamic invader.


Do idols come with an expiry date?
May be the idols which were divinely installed had a small print label which we never read.. which could have read 'Best Before Kali Yuga"


BTW the story of taking the Gold Lord Buddha statue to make a Gopuram sounds like robbing Peter to pay Paul.

This story must have been coined at the time when the Bhakti movement was trying to over throw Buddisht school of thought..hence such tales.


This story is totally paints Vaishanava saints in bad light that they built Vimana Gopuram with stolen gold.

I am surprised this has gone "uncensored" in religious text.

I dont think any Vaishnava saint would indulge in such acts..lets not degrade the saints. I am sure the saints had respect for all forms of Divinity and wont steal gold especially when Thirumangai Azhwar had once upon a time been a Kaliyan the robber and totally transformed into a saint as he sang:

I became a thief
deceitful and dishonest
I wandered hither and thither
yet light dawned upon me –
I reached Your feet
and instantly your grace fell upon me
with melting heart and choked voice
your praises I sing
bathed in streaming tears
I repeat day and night
the sacred name of Narayana (Vishnu)

So it does not make any sense if Thirumangai Azhwar was still indulging in stealing as in the story.

I feel this story does total injustice to a saint.

After all even Valmiki and Angulimala also having a similar past did not indulge in misdeeds after they embraced sainthood.
 
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Namaste,

Atleast I am not denigrating against any saint. I am only recounting on known historical facts.

Thirumangai Azhwar was a self-declared bigot against other religions such as Buddhism, Jainism and also Shaivism.

Therefore he melted the Buddha statue.

So says history. (Ofcourse you're free to believe in whatever you want to believe, but atleast don't brand others who follow historical facts as "denigrating" something).
 
Was there a muslim invasion in South India/Tamilnadu (as given in original post)? I have never read about that..can anyone throw light? I always think preservation of language and culture down south has aways protected to keep its identity!
 
Thirumangai Azhwar was a self-declared bigot against other religions such as Buddhism, Jainism and also Shaivism.

.


This again its not really fair to call Him a bigot cos that is a very harsh word to use against an Azhwar.

So I rest my case as I do not wish to indulge in Azhwar aparadha.
 
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This again its not really fair to call Him a bigot cos that is a very harsh word to use against an Azhwar.

So I rest my case as I do not wish to indulge in Azhwar aparadha.

Good! Why not try it for a change?!
 
Which way? Yours (twisting history and facts to suit your convenience like Ramanuja's guru) or mine (stating facts as they were)?? ;-)
 
Which way? Yours (twisting history and facts to suit your convenience like Ramanuja's guru) or mine (stating facts as they were)?? ;-)

Which ever way you like it Darling.

BTW thanks for the compliment of equating me with Ramanuja's Guru...not many have the Bhagyam to be equated to a Guru who produced such a brilliant Saint like Ramanuja.
I know I come no where near to Ramanuja's Guru..but my sincere thanks to you for even having that thought.

Simply love you yaar.
 
Which ever way you like it Darling.

No, they are both NOT THE SAME.

In another thread, you twisted facts to say that Yadava Prakasa (once Ramanuja's guru) did all the blasphemy on Sri Vishnu's name and even tried to murder Ramanuja, BCOS "he tried to stop Ramanuja's Vishnu fixation". Now you are saying this Yadava Prakasa "produced" brilliant Ramanuja. Both of which are twisting facts to suit your convenience, none of which are recorded facts in history.

Whereas when I said, "Thirumangai Azhwar melted Buddha Statue" and cited a source for it, you "cried foul"!!! Even my statement about Thirumangai Azhwar's self-confessed bigotry against other religions is in Wikipedia.

Can you cite a source to justify your statements mentioned above???

Without that, you cannot equate "your way" with "my way" as I have NOT done any Vaishnava aparadha, but you routinely engage in it, always!!!
 
No, they are both NOT THE SAME.

In another thread, you twisted facts to say that Yadava Prakasa (once Ramanuja's guru) did all the blasphemy on Sri Vishnu's name and even tried to murder Ramanuja, BCOS "he tried to stop Ramanuja's Vishnu fixation". Now you are saying this Yadava Prakasa "produced" brilliant Ramanuja. Both of which are twisting facts to suit your convenience, none of which are recorded facts in history.

Whereas when I said, "Thirumangai Azhwar melted Buddha Statue" and cited a source for it, you "cried foul"!!! Even my statement about Thirumangai Azhwar's self-confessed bigotry against other religions is in Wikipedia.

Can you cite a source to justify your statements mentioned above???

Without that, you cannot equate "your way" with "my way" as I have NOT done any Vaishnava aparadha, but you routinely engage in it, always!!!




LOL!


En Vazhi Thani Vazhi!

My dearest JR,

I have never said my way is the same as your way.

Even identical twins have different finger prints...so do you really expect us to be clones?

Nope...not possible...you have clearly explained how I differ from you from your point of view based on your observations and your analysis...to which I have to commend you for a keen interest in my posts.

You have already answered your own question..so what is there for me to tell you?

Main jawaabon mein hoon, main sawaalon mein hoon
I'm in the answers you receive and the questions you ask.
 
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Which God RRji? Your God or my God? :)


Dear Biswa Ji,

My God or Your God but did anyone stop to ask God if He wants to be Our God?

We take it for granted that God has consented to be our God.

I guess that is the greatest Maya of all!LOL
 
...... My God or Your God but did anyone stop to ask God if He wants to be Our God?

We take it for granted that God has consented to be our God. .......
Dear Renu,

No need to ask! Some people say they love Jasmine and some others say they love Rose / any other flower.

Do they ask whether those flowers love them? NO!! Similarly, we love OUR God /Goddess and EXPECT them to love us! :D
 
Dear Renu,

No need to ask! Some people say they love Jasmine and some others say they love Rose / any other flower.

Do they ask whether those flowers love them? NO!! Similarly, we love OUR God /Goddess and EXPECT them to love us! :D


Yes RR ji...none of us have asked if the flowers love us cos we do not take into consideration the "opinion" of the flower.

Likewise have we considered the "opinion' of God?

Nope..cos we think that He has to love us or tolerate us anyhow.

Which means we take God for granted...I guess none of us thought of God's point of view.

Only if we knew what God "thought" about us?
 
........ Only if we knew what God "thought" about us?
Dear Renu,

Sometimes we act like angels for the sake of the society.

But, our conscience will tell us what exactly we ARE!
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May be, that is what God thinks about us! :)
 
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