Ghar Vapasi

[Janaki Jambunathan]

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it is the political Hot Potato of the day Let me try to add some curry to make it tastier

To day in another thread I identified myself with Jayalalitha & Mamata in a different context Now with this identity I must be able see to how they politically react to the devloping situation

Amit Shaw sees a huge growth potential for BJP in WB & TN because of prevailing political situation. He recently was in Kolkatta & Chennai to do the spade work JJ and M are worried

You see a peculiar situation in TN. Mr Joseph Iyengar - Christian by birth and practice giving lectures in Vaishnava sidhaantham! even in Srirangam and other temples This situation could be exploted by various Political parties to suit their Political stratgey. You can see and listen to him in this link speakin about Hinduism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnfiUcpQ_DM&feature=youtu.be

The Imaginary dicussion in various political war rooms

BJP Tamilisai. Mr Shaw You know this man- his love for Hinduism is through
self realization. But is not yet a Hindu We can cox him for a coversion with all publicity No dissent from any party is possible since everybody knows his self realization This can boost the image of BJP

But Shaw is not amused! He has a differnt idea See Ms Tamil imsai (slip of the tongue - He is not familiar with chaste Tamil Names) I would like him to continue in the same religion But get him into BJP He will be our Secular Face (?Mask)"and we will be more acceptable to the Secular TN poulation

JJ's Office Madam this is God Given Opportunity Tomorrow we have a Yagam to planned in Karupansamy Koil near Sathankulam praying for your Victory in you legal battles He can be invited to that to covert This could be easily arranged by our party workers by- sama bedha dhana dhandam - No problem. This may take you close to BJP whose supportis needed to our political problem - CBI - Enforcemt will no more trouble you. Even Subramania Swamy can be pressurised to withdraw from Court Proceeding If you see Problem with Christian Population we can try to pacify them offering free Trips to Vatican & Bethlaham!

In Mamata's office - No No This tricky Derek may leave us ! We will have no spokeperson for TMC

 

[Vaagmi]

it is the political Hot Potato of the day Let me try to add some curry to make it tastier

To day in another thread I identified myself with Jayalalitha & Mamata in a different context Now with this identity I must be able see to how they politically react to the devloping situation

Amit Shaw sees a huge growth potential for BJP in WB & TN because of prevailing political situation. He recently was in Kolkatta & Chennai to do the spade work JJ and M are worried

You see a peculiar situation in TN. Mr Joseph Iyengar - Christian by birth and practice giving lectures in Vaishnava sidhaantham! even in Srirangam and other temples This situation could be exploted by various Political parties to suit their Political stratgey. You can see and listen to him in this link speakin about Hinduism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnfiUcpQ_DM&feature=youtu.be

The Imaginary dicussion in various political war rooms

BJP Tamilisai. Mr Shaw You know this man- his love for Hinduism is through
self realization. But is not yet a Hindu We can cox him for a coversion with all publicity No dissent from any party is possible since everybody knows his self realization This can boost the image of BJP

But Shaw is not amused! He has a differnt idea See Ms Tamil imsai (slip of the tongue - He is not familiar with chaste Tamil Names) I would like him to continue in the same religion But get him into BJP He will be our Secular Face (?Mask)"and we will be more acceptable to the Secular TN poulation

JJ's Office Madam this is God Given Opportunity Tomorrow we have a Yagam to planned in Karupansamy Koil near Sathankulam praying for your Victory in you legal battles He can be invited to that to covert This could be easily arranged by our party workers by- sama bedha dhana dhandam - No problem. This may take you close to BJP whose supportis needed to our political problem - CBI - Enforcemt will no more trouble you. Even Subramania Swamy can be pressurised to withdraw from Court Proceeding If you see Problem with Christian Population we can try to pacify them offering free Trips to Vatican & Bethlaham!

In Mamata's office - No No This tricky Derek may leave us ! We will have no spokeperson for TMC

And what about Rahulji and Madam sonia? why left them out?

 

[krish44]

some political leaders are going specifically to disturb the communal peace in tamilnadu

this is not good for tamilnadu

like UP and delhi poor belonging to all religions will be at the receiving end of mindless violence let loose by

inflammatory speeches of these elements.

when politicians move in ,the end result can never be good

 

[CHANDRU1849]

Instead of finding some silly route, BJP must identify good and popular leader in TN to spread its wings. Winning thru religion in TN is quite difficult.

I think BJP is wasting its chances.

 

[V.Balasubramani]

And what about Rahulji and Madam sonia? why left them out?

Sir,

They are left out probably bcos the issues like National Herald, DLF land deal case, etc are either under probe and under trial……..

 

[V.Balasubramani]

Winning thru religion in TN is quite difficult.

I think BJP is wasting its chances.

Sir,

You are right.

Majority of Tamil Nadu voters are staunchfollowers of Dravidian Parties. It will be only a futile exercise.

 

[krish44]

religion is a potent weapon playing on the minds of the gullible

british played the religion card to partition india.

some political leaders can play on religeous sentiments for votes and get mileage.

it is not a far fetched scenario.

it can very well happen in tamilnadu, w.bengal and kashmir

 

[கால பைரவன்]

Instead of finding some silly route, BJP must identify good and popular leader in TN to spread its wings. Winning thru religion in TN is quite difficult.

I think BJP is wasting its chances.

Sangomji, Latest news is that former union minister of DMK, Napolean, has decided to join BJP and former minister of state SS Palanimanikkam may also follow suit.

Looks like Amit Shah is making the right moves.

 

[V.Balasubramani]

religion is a potent weapon playing on the minds of the gullible

british played the religion card to partition india.

some political leaders can play on religeous sentiments for votes and get mileage.

it is not a far fetched scenario.

it can very well happen in tamilnadu, w.bengal and kashmir

The Dravidian parties know all these strategies and they themselves will play this card right and will not allow other parties.

As for the general public of Tamil Nadu, a known devil is better than an unknown angel.

And Tamil Nadu is not Gujarat.

 

[krish44]

castes getting a bad deal from dravidian parties are looking for alternatives.

the castes at the ends of caste spectrum will gravitate towards this alternative.

disgruntled leaders drom dravidian parties and congress may join if they fancy their chances with the new party.

it is happenig in west bengal, a left stronghold. why not in tamilnadu?

 

[V.Balasubramani]

castes getting a bad deal from dravidian parties are looking for alternatives.

the castes at the ends of caste spectrum will gravitate towards this alternative.

disgruntled leaders drom dravidian parties and congress may join if they fancy their chances with the new party.

it is happenig in west bengal, a left stronghold. why not in tamilnadu?

Congress Party in Tamil Nadu, may align with other Dravidian Party. But there are more divisions in this Party at present in Tamil Nadu, besides, it may be the only Party which has leaders outnumbering the followers. The Party has just experienced a storm in the tea cup. Even then, chances are not bright.

 

[krish44]

leaders from congress and dravidian parties who do not fancy their chances in their own party will jump ships.

politicians know which. way wind blows.

some film stars ,cricketers will also get roped in.watch

 

[sudeshwer]

many may not agree with me. yet I wish to say something for record. Jinnah wanted to become PM and he said if he is made PM, there will be no Pakistan. Jinnah's doctor who was also a muslim said that Jinnah was not going to live more than a year or year and half. but Nehru was adament. so Pakistan was created. now coming to the matter, had Nehru agreed and Jinnah became PM, there would have been no Pakistan and hindu population in that part of the country would have prevented al-quido etc etc terrorists. basically, one agrees or not, entire population was Hindu and other sects are converted - srinivasan

 

[V.Balasubramani]

leaders from congress and dravidian parties who do not fancy their chances in their own party will jump ships.

politicians know which. way wind blows.

some film stars ,cricketers will also get roped in.watch

You are right.

The Dravidian Parties will adopt all these tactics and the ardent followers obediently ensure that they are ruled by the leaders of their choice.

The Dravidian parties are ‘ருசி கண்ட பூனைகள்!’

I have been watching for the past several decades. Your predictions will not certainly work out in Tamil Nadu.

Even if these Dravidian parties come to power with aligning with other National Parties, these National Parties will have the poor role of playing only 'second fiddling'.lol

 

[krish44]

if bjp becomes the third largest party in tamilnadu they would be satisfied.

it is likely to be a four way fight. if bjp can collect 25-30 percent of votes polled in any constituency , it is a winner . it

will put together the right caste combinations to achieve good results.

in case of a hung assembly , they will taste power.

they are not averse to jj s party

 

[vgane]

BJP has a 5% vote share...First they need to get into a respectable double digit before aspiring...There is a lot of buzz around BJP...They need a Chief Ministerial candidate..Rajinikanth will be best bet..In case JJ's conviction is upheld and she is barred from holding office then there is a good chance that BJP will be choice of many..But not sure if it will become the numero uno

 

[sangom]

Sangomji, Latest news is that former union minister of DMK, Napolean, has decided to join BJP and former minister of state SS Palanimanikkam may also follow suit.

Looks like Amit Shah is making the right moves.

Shri KB Sir,

While I am honoured by the fact that I am always (?) in your memory, your response was in r/o Shri Chandru1849's post. If possible kindly edit that post.

Thank you!

 

[sangom]

BJP has a 5% vote share...First they need to get into a respectable double digit before aspiring...There is a lot of buzz around BJP...They need a Chief Ministerial candidate..Rajinikanth will be best bet..In case JJ's conviction is upheld and she is barred from holding office then there is a good chance that BJP will be choice of many..But not sure if it will become the numero uno

Sometime ago when I wrote that BJP has come to power with only about 30% of the votes, certain objections were raised. Notwithstanding those objections, I still feel that BJP would do well if it remembers that it is only a "minority government" in a technical (not legal) sense.

Probably, the BJP is trying a machiavellian step to get "any" religious conversion banned, according to the new law it proposes. Looking to the social and cultural history of India, it will be a retrograde step to bring in such a ban. Instead, what the BJP's fringe outfits should have (been ordered to do) done is to quietly convert one or two people/families, without any publicity whatsoever. But this kind of nemesis is an integral part of BJP. What God wills, even Narendra Modi cannot alter (perhaps) !

Ultimately, it should not become "Ghar Vaapasi" for the entire Hindutva outfits, with some secular coalition of Congress + Janata Dals cooking the meals in New Delhi !

 

[sarang]

JJ has found another voice, as she used to call MK government as minority govt. If any party that gets 51% vote share is the legitimate govt, then we must amend the constitution and make 'once more' election constitutional (!). This logic has been used by sardesai, and he was booed out in newyork. Our friend will put another yardstick - even if bjp gets 51%, because only 75% of the people voted, bjp got only 38% of the people's mandate. Mamiyar udaccha maN kudam, mattupeN udaccha pon kudam.

Gandhi, Vivekananda, Chinmayananda, Dayanand Saraswati - all have raised their voice against conversion. Till that is done, there is nothing wrong in following the tactics of the adversaries. This deconversion may also help in diluting inter caste resistance.

As long as development is the main issue, these minuscule issues will keep the seculars occupied and dissipate their energy. Opposition will not dare a debate on either pro or anti conversion laws, because the outcome will only harm them.

 

[sarang]

Venkiah Naidu, in his characteristic style, has said - neither the govt nor bjp have anything to do with conversion, reconversion or deconversion. The state governments have the authority to investigate and act. We are ready for a debate in parliament.

Kerala, UP and Bihar are in a dilemma now. They neither act or react.

 

[mkrishna100]

BJP has a 5% vote share...First they need to get into a respectable double digit before aspiring...There is a lot of buzz around BJP...They need a Chief Ministerial candidate..Rajinikanth will be best bet..In case JJ's conviction is upheld and she is barred from holding office then there is a good chance that BJP will be choice of many..But not sure if it will become the numero uno

Are you serious ? Rajinikanth is now the new Joker after the flop of Lingaa . By himself Rajinikanth is a good person and he can extend moral support to BJP or its policies and to PM Modi . Beyond that I do not see a serious role for him either in TN Politics or National Politics .
As regarding BJP's success in TN , they need to bring in Modi and make him campaign heavily to inspire the cadres and the voters and lay first the foundation for BJP to do well here , they must first believe in themselves and work seriously at the grass root level and better articulate their polices and better expose the faults of the Dravidian Parties and why they are the right alternative and not waste their time standing outside Rajinikanth's house with a begging bowl . No one will vote for a beggar and especially if the beggar begs a joker ( as far as politics is concerned ) like Rajnikath . In this regard I wish to point out that in Yesterday in one TV Program ( in IMAYAM TV ) , one Mr.RAMASWAY ( called as BEST RAMASWAMY from Kongu Party ) said that BJP could have done much better in the 2014 Parliamentray elections in TN but the reason why they failed is they were not too critical on Jaya and AIADMK and did not attack either AIADMK or Jaya ( as they beleived that they can work out on a post poll alliance with AIADMK ) but Jaya behaved differently and was harsh on the BJP also and campaigned that people should make her win all the seats so that she will form the next Govt at the Centre or at least be instrumental in decining the next PM .
Even now when Amit Shah came he was not critical of Jaya or AIADMK . I can agree that one must not make fun of a person and attack him/her when they are fighting a tough case but at least BJP Can better articulate its vision for TN and how the Dravidian parties have ruined it and how BJP can be an altrenative either alone or with a coalition .

 

[vgane]

BJP should learn a lesson or two from the post MGR (demise) phase in 1988 when Rajiv Gandhi visited Tamil Nadu 13 times to woo the electorate..Congress did not choose an ally at that time...Despite projecting a strong person like Moopanar, Congress came a poor second with AIADMK JJ faction winning the coveted LOO position in the elections held in Jan 1989..I think if BJP is banking on aggressive Modi campaign they should read history..Best choice will be to align with AIADMK

 

[CHANDRU1849]

Sangomji, Latest news is that former union minister of DMK, Napolean, has decided to join BJP and former minister of state SS Palanimanikkam may also follow suit.

Looks like Amit Shah is making the right moves.

Does Napolean has any mass appeal? He belongs to Reddiar community and is running a Software Company.

It may be advantage to Palanimanickam and not BJP.

 

[mkrishna100]

BJP should learn a lesson or two from the post MGR (demise) phase in 1988 when Rajiv Gandhi visited Tamil Nadu 13 times to woo the electorate..Congress did not choose an ally at that time...Despite projecting a strong person like Moopanar, Congress came a poor second with AIADMK JJ faction winning the coveted LOO position in the elections held in Jan 1989..I think if BJP is banking on aggressive Modi campaign they should read history..Best choice will be to align with AIADMK

In the elctions in TN Post MGR's death , AIADMK got split in to Janaki and Jaya factions and with Congress also going alone ,DMK won with the split in votes . Look at what happened to the Congress or for that matter the PMK or MDMK or why even Vijayganth's DMDK by aligning with one or the other Dravidian parties they only had their own vote share eroded and all are now in pathetic shape with just around 4-5% votes . People in TN want a serious alternative to both these Dravidian parties and no one is willing to take that step as that step is a long one and will not come in one elections .There was hope in Vijayganth and he proved to be another joker and while he may be a good person at heart he is making himself a fool both in the assembly as well as outside . Except for his fans no one considers him a seriousl Political threat .
Yesterday BEST RAMASWAMY said ( he is no arm chair Politican but contested from the Kongu Party ) that this is the best time for BJP to strike hard and go on the offensive on both the DMK ,AIADMK and having a BJP Government at the Centre and with Modi at the leadership this is the most advantageous situation for them . They may not win in 3 digit seats but they can definitely win in double digits and that is enough to boost their performance for the future .
Why this time is best for BJP in TN is :
1) AIADMK will not have Jaya in the forefront because of the case . She will have sympathy but cant campaign .
2) DMK is caught in the fight between the 2 brothers and for Alagiri he is willing to support anyone that can destroy DMK and hence will offer tactical support to BJP . Already Napoleon has moved out and others from Alagiri camp will start moving out though Alagiri will never acknowledge that openly .
3) Congress - it is already in ICU all over India and more so in TN .
4) MDMK - shouts a lot but always end up loosing .
5) PMK - they have a good support in the Vanniyar areas but apart from that not much .
6) DMDK - they are slowly eroding their vote base as they themselves do not know where to go , how to go .

So in this context best is for BJP to go alone even if it ends up loosing misreably .That will help it to evaluate its own position and make it known to the people that they are not fly by night operators and are here for the long haul . The reason why there is no alternative to AIADMK, DMK in TN is that no party is willing to put the long and tiresome fight for the long haul to be considered as serious alterantives and end up compromising for a few seats with one of theese 2 Dravidian parties and finally end up only to have their vote share eroded .
Moopanar formed the TMC in protest against Congress forming an alliance with AIADMK and finally what did he do , he ended up in an alliance with JJ only .
Thre is no quickfix solution for BJP here .If they are to have respect with the TN Voters they must stand alone and earn that respect .Otherwise they will have to go with begging bowls to AIADMK or DMK and will have to live with the crumbs thrown by these parties .

 

[mkrishna100]

Does Napolean has any mass appeal? He belongs to Reddiar community and is running a Software Company.

It may be advantage to Palanimanickam and not BJP.

Napolean has lot of money and you need big money bags to give some sort of fight to the Dravidian parties which are highly cash rich . Being an actor he has some visibility and for the time being Napoleoan bringing money and visibility to the BJP is very much refreshing to them .