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lol, honestly, i was about to comment that on your recent pic ;)
 
I don't really understand the trend of this thread from the beginning. There are so many advices provided by the forum members....to show how Sow.Blues could adopt and integrate with the Brahmin in-law family. But what about the in-law family accomadating Sow.Blues as she is?

Let us get this fact straight, please. Mr. Brahmin boy fell in love with Sow.Blue as she is ..whatever she is; not because her 'wannabe brahmin' efforts. Someone suggested that Sow.Blues should foresake non-vegitarian food for 6 days every week....Does the reverse apply to Mr.Brahmin boy too? Would he be advised to eat non-vegitarian food for 6 days in a week to accomadate Sow.Blues?

In my humble opinion, Sow. Blue has to learn nothing in advance. The in-law family should explain the tradition with rational explanations in slow steps; even the girls born and brought up in traditional brahmin families take solong to adjust to the traditions... how can you guys even suggest Sow.Blue to hit the life running? What about her traditions and culture? South East Asians have strong traditions and cultures too.
 
.... What about her traditions and culture? South East Asians have strong traditions and cultures too.


You warm my heart dear brother Raghy. Where were you all these days, you come and go, when you come it is great, and when you go I miss you.

You are absolutely right, nothing must be expected of theblues and she should choose what she wants to do and she must be loved and honored, whatever her choice may be. At the same time, the very fact she wants to learn her man's ways shows she is in true love and for that we must tip our hats.

We have not heard from her beau, but I hope he is also trying to understand the traditions of theblues and her family.

theblues, I wish you and your love the very best, and let the love between you two stay passionate all life long.......

Cheers!
 
I don't really understand the trend of this thread from the beginning. There are so many advices provided by the forum members....to show how Sow.Blues could adopt and integrate with the Brahmin in-law family. But what about the in-law family accomadating Sow.Blues as she is?

Let us get this fact straight, please. Mr. Brahmin boy fell in love with Sow.Blue as she is ..whatever she is; not because her 'wannabe brahmin' efforts. Someone suggested that Sow.Blues should foresake non-vegitarian food for 6 days every week....Does the reverse apply to Mr.Brahmin boy too? Would he be advised to eat non-vegitarian food for 6 days in a week to accomadate Sow.Blues?

In my humble opinion, Sow. Blue has to learn nothing in advance. The in-law family should explain the tradition with rational explanations in slow steps; even the girls born and brought up in traditional brahmin families take solong to adjust to the traditions... how can you guys even suggest Sow.Blue to hit the life running? What about her traditions and culture? South East Asians have strong traditions and cultures too.

raghy,

i think you are may be looking too deeply into this? pray excuse me.

all that is being done in this thread, is to answer blues' queries re brahminism & some curiosity satisfied.

till now, all we know, is that she is keenly interested in this guy, and knowing our culture. we do not know anything of the young man.

in my days of youth, TB parents especially of only boys, looked upto this as a Hope diamond to be flaunted. one cousin married a white in the US, and the mother had a nervous breakdown from which she never recovered.

i do not know if such barbarious hysterionics still are order of the day. in chennai particularly.

everything depends.....

till then, let blues continue merrily in her quest to understand, as renu put it, sanatana dharma.

blues ofcourse has our best wishes, and by default, i presume, yours too :)

to me, with a more secular approach to the whole affair, it appeared to be a spunky young lady, after a basically shy youth. i always had a soft corner for such women, and after 30 years of marriage, only regret, is that i did not fall prey to the wiles of a woman who wanted me over anyone else. :)

arranged marriage, however well it may have worked out, still for me, did not have the excitement of falling in lovvu and its heart fluttering byproducts.
 
Dear Raghy,

I would never ask my friend to have a non-vegetarian meal under any circumstance as we all know that it's much easier for a non-veggie to become a veggie than vice versa and being a veggie is his and his family' religious choice.

I, at the moment, have no idea whether my friend feels exactly the same as i do but for i have deeply fallen for him, i am making lots of efforts to make him understand and do hope one day the relationship will proceed to a further extent. As from that day, my friend will have to face to his orthodox family and bring a non-religious, non-Indian girl home. I don't know if his mother will faint but they sure expect from him more than that. At least, the girl should be a Hindu. How can them happily let me, a total stranger who knows nothing about them, step in their family? Thus, i don't want my friend to face a dilemma, if there must be.

even the girls born and brought up in traditional brahmin families take solong to adjust to the traditions

That's implicitly right. What i am doing here is just,...knowing and understanding your culture and religion as much as i can. At the same time, my friend surely can explain me more about that if i ask him. It's better to know about the basic than nothing at all. I simply want to diminish the difference between me and him.

how can you guys even suggest Sow.Blue to hit the life running? What about her traditions and culture? South East Asians have strong traditions and cultures too

He does know about my traditions and cultures. He did ask about it and does want to understand it all. So, it's sort of a fair deal ;).

In any case, you're truly thoughtful to think of my cultures and traditions :) and i highly appreciate that. But there's nothing to worry about. Neither I am going to lose my own cultures and traditions nor my friend knows nothing about them. We're both trying to understand each other, whilst he takes it slowly, i am eager to know as much as i can ;).
 
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Dear Blues...

You know....actually Raghy ji has got multiple valid points here...
Its just that I did not put the same questions to you too..even though some of Raghys questions did cross my mind..

I did not voice out becos its a Tamil Brahmin forum and I am here to learn and not to disgaree with the culture(since I am not a Tamil Brahmin)..
Raghy is a Tamil Brahmin and he would know things much better than me and he can be more vocal about it too...

Blues..think about it..in this world its really not worth it making too many sacrificies for anyone no matter whether Father,Mother,Spouse,Children,Friends.etc...

The only PERSON i would sacrifice everthing selfelessly is GOD and no one else..
Becos the moment you sacrifice for God... all the other people in our life are covered automatically by Gods grace...

Dont give yourself too much to anyone..hold back some affection and love too..
Its always better to thread the path of moderation...
You are young now...I know your age..everyone feels that way when we are that age..

take care..
luv
renu
 
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hi blues,
just dont go through too much about rituals....even within tamil
brahmin rituals are much difference between from iyer to iyengar..
kerala iyer to thanjavur iyers..or north arcot iyers to tirunelveli
iyers...many things even we are not able to understand according
to aathu pazhakkm to ooru pashakkam...just learning spiritual/
philosophy of hinduism is OKAY...but rituals are complicated
and even sometimes more confused....just follow the truth....
truth is one... wise men call in different ways....even if u try
to understand rituals...its never ending.....unconditional
love and affections are important ....my 2 cents....

regards
tbs
 
Dear Renu,

I've been told the same thing by thousands people around me, the ones who truly care, and even by my Brahmin friend. Who wouldn't want to hold back some affection and love for herself? But i don't know how to do that, honestly. I have failed to do that many times and i have to stop denying my own feelings and thoughts because the act of trying to protect myself from the one i have feelings for makes me feel so uneasy and perplexed. At this moment, for me personally, i find it worth. Hence, i don't wanna go against my instinct. What is meant to come will come and so, if there must be a time when i realize it's not worth, that'll be a tomorrow matter, not this present one :)

Everybody sure feels that way at THIS age but time isn't coming back and i will feel this way only once in my life, the way of wanting to do anything i can to get to know a person and hoping things will go further smoothly, just as a sweet dream. This kind of feeling only comes to the mind of people at my age, not any other older ages...That's the natural way that people grow up and learn from experiences, as i'm no different from everybody, it's my way as well....But that, afterall, makes the beauty of young but not impulsive love...
So, as i have told my parents and my experienced friends, "Let me grow up naturally. I'm learning to be an adult" :)

With love to you,
Blues.
 
Dear Renu,

I've been told the same thing by thousands people around me, the ones who truly care, and even by my Brahmin friend. Who wouldn't want to hold back some affection and love for herself? But i don't know how to do that, honestly. I have failed to do that many times and i have to stop denying my own feelings and thoughts because the act of trying to protect myself from the one i have feelings for makes me feel so uneasy and perplexed. At this moment, for me personally, i find it worth. Hence, i don't wanna go against my instinct. What is meant to come will come and so, if there must be a time when i realize it's not worth, that'll be a tomorrow matter, not this present one :)

Everybody sure feels that way at THIS age but time isn't coming back and i will feel this way only once in my life, the way of wanting to do anything i can to get to know a person and hoping things will go further smoothly, just as a sweet dream. This kind of feeling only comes to the mind of people at my age, not any other older ages...That's the natural way that people grow up and learn from experiences, as i'm no different from everybody, it's my way as well....But that, afterall, makes the beauty of young but not impulsive love...
So, as i have told my parents and my experienced friends, "Let me grow up naturally. I'm learning to be an adult" :)

With love to you,
Blues.


Its just that..that i am amazed that you can feel so much for someone whose feelings you are not 100% sure of..

I cant be like you..for me boredom sets in after a while....if things are too slow...and I will say F***off and move on....
I guess I dont really love anybody..maybe..

but anyway you seem like a happy focused person..
thats the reason why i like being your friend..

renu
 
Dear tbs,

I'm actually following the thread "Avadhuta Gita" posted by Renu, at the moment. There're hundreds things that i can't comprehend and fortunately, this draws me closer to my friend, the one who can always explain those philosophy and never asks where i get those from just as he understands why i am reading about Hinduism.

Rituals indeed just by chance attracts my curiosity, which makes me want to know about brand-new interesting rituals ;)

unconditional
love and affections are important ....my 2 cents....

I strongly agree with you in this ;)
Thanks profusely for your concern.

Blues.
 
theblues...

I think there is nothing abnormal with you. It's usually unusual for a girl or boy to loose something, to be in love with some one and wish to live together with the partner for ever.

When a child prefers to become a boxer against parent's wish, the child looses his/her education and parents love (in some way) but achieves his/her ambition. A man when wish to be a passionate social server, looses his people often. In this world nothing can be gained without loosing some thing. If a person could win over his/her ego, than nothing is lost. Life is full of compromises....We may come across many people with pleasant and bitter experiences in love with any individual in any sort of relationship. After all each one of us are different and each one of our fate is different. As long as one is in true love for ever, I believe one will not loose his/her individuality, attitude, discipline, self esteem and one's worthiness ever...This is more important than whether the partner has honored and reciprocated...."Where There Is A Will There Is A Way.
 
theblues...

I think there is nothing abnormal with you. It's usually unusual for a girl or boy to loose something, to be in love with some one and wish to live together with the partner for ever.

When a child prefers to become a boxer against parent's wish, the child looses his/her education and parents love (in some way) but achieves his/her ambition. A man when wish to be a passionate social server, looses his people often. In this world nothing can be gained without loosing some thing. If a person could win over his/her ego, than nothing is lost. Life is full of compromises....We may come across many people with pleasant and bitter experiences in love with any individual in any sort of relationship. After all each one of us are different and each one of our fate is different. As long as one is in true love for ever, I believe one will not loose his/her individuality, attitude, discipline, self esteem and one's worthiness ever...This is more important than whether the partner has honored and reciprocated...."Where There Is A Will There Is A Way.

Couldn't agree more ;)
 
theblues...

I think there is nothing abnormal with you. It's usually unusual for a girl or boy to loose something, to be in love with some one and wish to live together with the partner for ever.

When a child prefers to become a boxer against parent's wish, the child looses his/her education and parents love (in some way) but achieves his/her ambition. A man when wish to be a passionate social server, looses his people often. In this world nothing can be gained without loosing some thing. If a person could win over his/her ego, than nothing is lost. Life is full of compromises....We may come across many people with pleasant and bitter experiences in love with any individual in any sort of relationship. After all each one of us are different and each one of our fate is different. As long as one is in true love for ever, I believe one will not loose his/her individuality, attitude, discipline, self esteem and one's worthiness ever...This is more important than whether the partner has honored and reciprocated...."Where There Is A Will There Is A Way.


Dear Ravi...

Yes ....this is 100% true Ravi speaking...
Ravi you are great..I have to say this...
I cant help thinking of this song whenever you write..
You would do anything for the person you love..

this song is dedicated to Ravi and blues and Amala..
I have put this song so many times in this forum too becos I actually know someone who is just like in this song...

YouTube - Yes Boss ~ Main Koi Aisa Geet Gaon
 
Sow. Blues,

I, at the moment, have no idea whether my friend feels exactly the same as i do but for i have deeply fallen for him, i am making lots of efforts to make him understand and do hope one day the [COLOR=#5EA0C3 ! important][COLOR=#5EA0C3 ! important]relationship[/COLOR][/COLOR]
will proceed to a further extent.

Greetings to you. You can not afford to wait for Mr.Right to open the topic. You may have to pass the message through mutual friends; make more opportunities, etc. I hope you don't wait too long risking someone else stealing him away....

I don't know if his mother will faint but they sure expect from him more than that. At least, the girl should be a Hindu.

I can gurantee you...his mother will not faint. Most often than not, the parents don't expect their son fall in love with any girl...hindu, non-hindu or even orthodox brahmins; it does not matter. They may not approve any love marriage..period. So, you stand a as good a chance as anyone else! (I and my wife belong to the same caste; same sect; same sub-sect; almost same social and financial status....even after few decades, still we are not approved.. so, don't worry your pretty head about getting approval.. you may not get it..so, just enjoy and stay as you are).

I do not know about your culture. But I can assure you..chinese, thai, vietnamese or combodian cultures are very similar to Hindu culture. In my sincere opinion, you need not worry too much about learning the culture..if I were you, I will focus on catching the boy.......

Cheers!
 
Sri.Nara said:-

Where were you all these days, you come and go, when you come it is great, and when you go I miss you.

It is nice to know that someone misses me!:) Thank you!
புது கம்ப்யூட்டர் மோகம்....ஆத்துக்காரி அடியேனை அடிச்சு துரத்திட்டா.....இப்போதான் சித்த கிட்டக்க வர முடிஞ்சுது..

Cheers!
 
Sri.Kunjuppu said:-

i think you are may be looking too deeply into this? pray excuse me.
Sri.Kunjuppu,

Greetings. As usual, you are right. I am seriously looking at this. I have a daughter, 17 years old. It is very difficult not to look into this deeply. I am not able to be as easy going as you are. May be I will develop in the future, hopefully!:)
 
blues,

pray, do not be swept away by the overwhelming reception that you get in this thread.

the ones here, who wish you well, are very those, who i think, are enlgihtened, and feel, that for the TB community to grow and thrive, we need to change our life model ie to flow along with the times, and quietly and discretely, brush aside the arrogance and racism of the past, to a more egalitarian world. (:))

there is, however, a deafening silence, which you might not have heard. ahh, i have not heard one word of discouragement here. had i, then i would have been gratified, that there is some honesty among the espousers of the racist casteist values.

like their counterparts in the usa, with whom they have a deep cohortness, but whom they would deny to their gallows, these are groups, that believe in withdrawing and shrinking, sticking to their concept of 'blue blood'.

sad to say, dear loved beloved, to them you are no less a 'gook' than those yanks who ravaged your country a few decades ago.

this note, not to discourage you, but a dose of reality, i felt, just fair, for in facing not your beloved's parents, but the society of singapore or saigon paarpaans with whom he would naturally cohort and seek comfot and solutions.

if he goes beyond that, dear blues, the man is a close-enough saint. cling on to him, like the proverbially forbidden chewing-gum that attaches itself to the streets of singapore :)

on a crude level, what you have going for you, is your fair flawless skin(pardon me for genralizing), not too slant, but titillatingly slanting eyes and above all, the petiteness, which of late, our TB girls appear to have graduated out of, thanks to the prosperity of IT outsourcing, and the newly acquired passion for prepared food and alcohol (on the sly ;))

the silent majority, i feel, is against you.

God Bless dear lass.

.. and you too renuka, amla (:)) .. the brightest jewels of the crown that adorns this forum !!
 
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God Bless dear lass.

.. and you too renuka, amla (:)) .. the brightest jewels of the crown that adorns this forum !![/QUOTE]



Dearest Kunjuppu....

words cant describe how i felt when i read this...amala is going to be so happy when she reads this...

You know what..dont worry too much about that Asura kunju tag..
when I was small whenever I read Amar Chita Katha books...I used to feel the Asuras were better than the Devas...Asuras were capable of handling anything themselves...
Devas only ran to Lord Vishnu.."aiyoo..help me..."
they seemed so unmanly..always crying etc..

I guess God must have got fed up with the Devas always whining away and coined this...


"Yada Yada Hi Dharmasya
Glanir Bhavathi Bharatha
Abhyuthanam Adharmasya
Tadatmanam Srijamyaham

Paritranaya Sadhunaam
Vinashaya Cha Dushkritaam
Dharma Samnsthapanarthaya
Sambhavami Yuge Yuge.."
 
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renu,

... which brings back old memories of 50+ years.

i used to go to this pattikkaadu town in kerala where my maternal grandparents every summer. to me it was torture, to be away from my friends and spend time in a place with no flush lavatory or electricty.

the evenings used to be spend with my grand aunt narrating the old time folk tales and traditional vedic lore.

i still remember many an occassion, when my athai paatti, used to tell instances of asuras bullying the devas, who used to then run to brahma or vishnu for succour.

in the overall, after this many years, i tend to agree with you. asuras are more fun! devas are the nerds. :)
 
Sri.Kunjuppu,

I am thrilled! This is is the first time, I am going to actually disagree with you! Wow!

after this many years, i tend to agree with you. asuras are more fun! devas are the nerds.
I found Asuras more inventive, adventurous and bold.....I found Devas more backward, regressive and sissys. Mahabali was one Asura who thumped his nose not only to the non-acieving Devas but also to their saviour Vishnu! my point is, Devas were never nerds, but they were whimps all the time!

i used to go to this pattikkaadu town in kerala where my maternal grandparents every summer... spend time in a place with no flush lavatory or electricty.
I envy you. I envy you from the bottom of my heart. I would not have hesitated to give my right arm for such an experience.
 
theblues,

If not mistaken, I would like to know the way you got your love...I mean, whether you are in love with your Brahmin friend through virtual contacts or through personal/face-to-face contacts...??

If you can feel comfortable, please share with us...Otherwise, kindly ignore this post.
 
Dear C RAVI,

I first met him last August when he lost his way to the hotel on his two-week business trip in Viet Nam. I saw a six feet Indian man standing on the pavement, looking around and checking his map non-stop, so i stopped by and asked if he needed any help. He sure did. As i was quite free and my house conveniently was near the hotel he stayed, i led him to the hotel and we talked on the long way, which took us an hour, if i'm not mistaken. He's the most knowledgable and charming man i've ever met so i couldn't help being carried away. I ended up giving a man my phone number for the first time of my life when we said Goodbye.

After a long week waiting and thinking of him, he called and asked if i would like to have dinner with him as he was leaving the following night. I said yes with no hesitancy. We went to an Indian restaurant and i stupidly ordered a non-vegetarian dish. When he ordered a vegetarian dish, i again stupidly asked "Are you on diet?", he laughed and said "No, i'm a veggie". I was thunderstrucked "Huh? Why? Since when?", and you all know the answer "Since i was born. It's my family's choice". It wasn't supposed to be a pleasant dinner as i was eating non-veggie food and the man sitting opposite to me was eating veggie food. But he somehow made it a desireable unforgettable dinner and made me forget our differences. Since then i has diametrically been mesmerized by that incredibly iresistible man. He's 12 years older than me...

After that night, he left for his place and we've been in touch till now. Day by day, i fall deeper and deeper and the need of meeting him again is growing stronger in me. Nonetheless, i don't know when God will give me that chance...

Anyway, that was the story ;)
 
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