How can an educated couple get cheated of 14 crores rupees cash

[kunjuppu]

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we read hundreds of such stories and flip it through.

but this one caught my eye and a desire to share/discuss. we have retired folks like sangom, brahmanyan, visa, raji and such. can they ever imagine themselves in such a situation as mr. ramaswamy here?

does anyone here go to the godmen like esho or ravishankar. or other living god people?

i know one godman has a lot of devotees, but dont know if they spent money on sai. though i know the old abbotsbury in madras, was gifted to sai by its then owner, and taken out of the rental market for events.

what is it that makes folks cough up money on demand? that too, for dubious benefits.

best to avoid such outfits, i guess. but then, that is 20/20 hindisight. eh!

Edited and removed the name: As much as relevant to the topic, there are others who believe in these godmen/godwomen, so please try not hurt their feelings.

 

[sangom]

woman-and-son-strip-elderly-couple-of-property-money

we read hundreds of such stories and flip it through.

but this one caught my eye and a desire to share/discuss. we have retired folks like sangom, brahmanyan, visa, raji and such. can they ever imagine themselves in such a situation as mr. ramaswamy here?

does anyone here go to the godmen like esho or ravishankar. or other living god people?

i know sai has a lot of devotees, but dont know if they spent money on sai. though i know the old abbotsbury in madras, was gifted to sai by its then owner, and taken out of the rental market for events.

what is it that makes folks cough up money on demand? that too, for dubious benefits.

best to avoid such outfits, i guess. but then, that is 20/20 hindisight. eh!

We have discussed this long back and the inclusion of names of various dubious godmen/godwomen raised many a memebr's hackle. Still, the man in this news deserves what he got, I think, though I may sound cruel.

I am told that people flocked to <one godman> and similar such fake godmen because they wanted a cheap bargain, a sure seat in the front rows of heaven, because they probably know that they cannot ever hope to attain heaven with all that they have been doing. The godman died a miserable death in hospital; in fact he was reportedly not allowed to die also because his gang wanted to know fully about all his hidden wealth. The complainant here also went to a godwoman with the same idea of a cheap ticket to the heavens but got cheated nicely. The ticket has become prohibitively costly. That's all.

Edited and removed the name: As much as relevant to the topic, there are others who believe in these godmen/godwomen, so please try not hurt their feelings by posting the name. - praveen.

 

[mkrishna100]

How can an educated couple get cheated of 14 crores rupees cash

Unfortunately we equate education to just having a good degree from a reputed Institution and that can only guarantee a good job and good salary but beyond that life is quite complex , multi dimensional and unstructured and the onus is on the individual to develop his / her intellect to withstand these outside pressures and sail through successfully in life with less injury . These skills are never taught at any University nor do I see many families keen on improving themselves on these skills / teach their next generation the same ( they can only teach when they are aware of these sort of things in the first place ) and their only focus in on their Children scoring high marks , get a good degree and a good job and once the children achieve those goals they get them married and feel their so called secular life is over and go to some God men seeking salvation . Nothing wrong in the same but only to be careful not to get trapped with dubious Godmen /Godwomen .

 

[sangom]

Unfortunately we equate education to just having a good degree from a reputed Institution and that can only guarantee a good job and good salary but beyond that life is quite complex , multi dimensional and unstructured and the onus is on the individual to develop his / her intellect to withstand these outside pressures and sail through successfully in life with less injury . These skills are never taught at any University nor do I see many families keen on improving themselves on these skills / teach their next generation the same ( they can only teach when they are aware of these sort of things in the first place ) and their only focus in on their Children scoring high marks , get a good degree and a good job and once the children achieve those goals they get them married and feel their so called secular life is over and go to some God men seeking salvation . Nothing wrong in the same but only to be careful not to get trapped with dubious Godmen /Godwomen .

I personally don't feel that it is due to lack of education or teaching about life by parents, etc. This kind of gullibility comes because of many families, especially among hindus and that too Tabras, imbibing completely erroneous notions about god, gurus, the greatness of gurus, the superhuman abilities which even a rascal/witch-looking guru or self-proclaimed god man/god woman, can have (though it must be obvious that nobody born in the human way to a human male and female can ever acquire any superhumanness, etc.). Added to these is the prevailing greed or unbounded craving for money, recognition (as a very religious person or confirmed bhakta), and, an assurance to heavenly bliss after one's death. The unscrupulous gurus, swamijis, godmen/godwomen draw their nourishment from such weaknesses of the Aam Aadmi.

The Krishna cult ( as distinct from devotion to Rama which visibly pervaded tabra society till about the middle of the last century) has also contributed to the present crisis. "If an ordinary cowherd boy could be verily the Supreme Power in the universe, can it not be that the gurus, swamijis, godmen/godwomen, all of whom carefully make-up their costumes and other outwardly appearance, also are similar "Supreme Powers" in (clever) disguise?", will be the line of thought of many so-called bhaktas. Some may even justify, in a rather learned sort of way, that Aa nO bhadrAH kratavO yAntu viSvataH (let noble thoughts come from anywhere/everywhere), etc.

To some extent I can understand the lowest castes who were historically kept away from mainstream religion, flocking to such gurus, swamijis, godmen/godwomen, etc., in the (false) notion that they are partaking of something very highly religious, equally with the higher castes (akin to the outcome of temple entry legislations). But tabra families themselves getting lured by such fraudulent elements is rather strange, but very common in the present era. However, tabras usually are clever enough to draw the line and say "this far and no further", when any question of money is involved, though, having a "guru" has become a kind of personal 'fashion statement' nowadays.

These sanyAsis, gurus, swamijis, godmen/godwomen are a real danger to Hinduism, imo. But, may be they will destroy it efficiently and effectively.

Perhaps, if there is a God - as held out by religion - He would have fled farthest away from such gurus and disciples - both !!

 

[auh]

karma?

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

Dear Mr. kunjuppu,

Thank you for your genuine concern. ray2:

I am happy I believe in God but NOT in :hail:

god-men/ god-women and god-sons.

Moreover we do not have that kind of money so no one will bother us.

In fact they may be secretly worried and tense that we may ask them for help.

Not that we really will. I value my self respect more than my financial hardships.

My two sons will readily help me out if I really need money urgently.

I have learned to live with the minimum comforts and maximum workload.

For a person who had managed to live decently on Rs 50 p.m in a ladies hostel in the

1960s and Rs 200 p.m in the 1970s with two growing kids, nothing is really difficult I

suppose.

 

[sarang]

One can be literate, but not educated. One can be educated, but not wise. People get cheated in many places by many persons - chit funds, stock markets, property deals, tsunami charity.

Our society sent a circular to donate generously for the utharakand victims; a list of items required was also given. This was at the behest of a person working in IT. Our society got an email from another ngo not to send anything as 90% of the items collected and sent by samaritan volunteers do not reach the needy. Even the 125 truck loads of relief material flagged off by sonia and rahul gandhi did not go anywhere; the truck drivers said that they may have to sell of the material for fuel and their upkeep. Food items became rotten, the reasons are many.
There are reports that government officials are pocketing the relief supplies.
Instead of approaching the police, the elderly couple should have approached a good and honest lawyer for guidance in filing the case. Most of the property disputes will be transferred to the civil court, if documents are available (will or sale deed may be forged).

Gullible can be cheated by anyone. Why blame only godmen? But for some 'kikku' flows only when hindu godman/godwoman are involved.

Unfortunately we equate education to just having a good degree from a reputed Institution and that can only guarantee a good job and good salary but beyond that life is quite complex , multi dimensional and unstructured and the onus is on the individual to develop his / her intellect to withstand these outside pressures and sail through successfully in life with less injury . These skills are never taught at any University nor do I see many families keen on improving themselves on these skills / teach their next generation the same ( they can only teach when they are aware of these sort of things in the first place ) and their only focus in on their Children scoring high marks , get a good degree and a good job and once the children achieve those goals they get them married and feel their so called secular life is over and go to some God men seeking salvation . Nothing wrong in the same but only to be careful not to get trapped with dubious Godmen /Godwomen .

 

[prasad1]

Gullible can be cheated by anyone

That is a true statement, but when done in the guise of Godmen it is vile.

Getting cheated (might ultimately be karma) but we must try to protect ourselves. Majburi ka nam Gandhiji.

 

[prasad1]

http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/genera...cheated-14-crores-rupees-cash.html#post196072
Well written post.

 

[Ckmum]

An elder from my family used to tell - "Pious worshipers of God (or God-men / God-women) would not seek money. Money is for greedy otherwise unemployed. Materialism and Spiritualism don't go hand-in-hand".

I think that's the apt yardstick whenever you encounter God-(Wo)Men.

 

[Brahmanyan]

I wonder what this incident has got to do with education. To begin with this incident is about faith of a person in the words of another person. The news item in "The Hindu" is sketchy and gives one side of the case.
Since this matter is in Court, it is sub judice, we cannot discuss the same further.

Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

 

[kunjuppu]

I wonder what this incident has got to do with education. To begin with this incident is about faith of a person in the words of another person. The news item in "The Hindu" is sketchy and gives one side of the case.
Since this matter is in Court, it is sub judice, we cannot discuss the same further.

Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

Ofcourse, WE can discuss it here Brahmanyan sir! whynot? Should we not want to prevent any of our members from getting into similar situations?

It is said that there is a fool born every minute. We definitely do not want anyone to make the same mistake as these couple. Agreed that the issue is in the Courts now, but that is more an action for the victims to get some money back. if at all. that does not mean we are neutral here.

My heart bleeds for these people, who are now, apparently pennyless, with all their lifesavings grabbed away, through faith intimidation and fear - combination of all of the three.

I dont know if these have children, and if these children could have prevented elderly folks from being gullible.

gullibility and being cheated by smooth talk - is a process which targets the elderly. it has been found in canada, that telemarketers target the elders, living alone, with promises of big payouts, and cheat them out of millions. to our best of ability, by talking and publishing about this, we can try to prevent elderly members here from falling a victim to such traps.

which comes back to my original question. Brahmanyan, i know that you wont be duped. neither will sangom or visa. but still there are people in the world who do? like the couple we are discussing. how does that happen?

 

[sangom]

Ofcourse, WE can discuss it here Brahmanyan sir! whynot? Should we not want to prevent any of our members from getting into similar situations?

It is said that there is a fool born every minute. We definitely do not want anyone to make the same mistake as these couple. Agreed that the issue is in the Courts now, but that is more an action for the victims to get some money back. if at all. that does not mean we are neutral here.

I agree.

My heart bleeds for these people, who are now, apparently pennyless, with all their lifesavings grabbed away, through faith intimidation and fear - combination of all of the three.

Kunjuppu, I have no sympathy for that foolish couple. The husband, as per the news item is a retired general manager from Smithkline Beecham Consumer Healthcare Ltd and TVS Electronics. Such a person regularly visiting a self-styled godwoman, itself looks suspicious to me. This aspect needs to be subjected to a police enquiry. (I personally have no sympathy for people going to gurujis/swamijis/godmen/godwomen etc. These people are also con-people to some extent I feel.)

And now, it looks to me as though this old guy was duped by that godwoman. Something is fishy there. So let these foolish people suffer.

 

[sarang]

Thirty nine listed banks reported a 36 percent rise in gross NPA to 1,79,431 crores as on March 31, 2013. This is the amount the banks may have to write off as bad loans. If all banks, financial institutions and chit funds are brought into the list, the amount money will be staggering. Where has all the money gone?
1. Most of the coperative institutions do not return the loan; these ar controlled by the politicians.
2. Many businesses (shady and non shady) default on loan repayment. Some clever guys manage to get a second and third loan without closing the first one.
Godmen self styled or otherwise will be way way down the list of bakasuras.

The godmen don't come to us; we go to them. Politicians and scamsters visit banks, govt offices, and individuals to swindle. Who is more revolting?