ABHIVADHAYE.

[Padmanabhan Janakiraman]

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ABHIVADHAYE.


ABHIVADAYE...AANGIRASAH....BARHASPATYA...BHARADWAJA...
TRAYA RISHEYA...PRAVARANVITHA....BHARADWAJA GOTRAHA
AAPASTHANMBHA SUTRAHA....SAMA SAKHA/YAJUSAKHA
ADHYAYI.......SARMA NAMAHAM AHAM ASMI BHUOOH...


It differs from Gothram to Gothram.


This is just a Bramin traditional style of introducing oneself that is in practice while seeking blessings from elders.


The reason for this exclusion is - Girls being gaining two different Gothram identity [One from her father before marriage & another from husband after marriage], were denied from this due to un-uniformity.


Why are there no female rishees in the abivadaye?


The Dharmashastras, part of Smirti, were quite ancient and based on the Vedas itself. The only difference is they were man made by the Rishis based on their understanding of the Vedas.


The Dharmashastras were codified by 18 Maharishis. They were Manu, Parashara, Yagnavalkya, Goutama, Haaritha, Yaman, Vishnu, Sankar, Likithar, Brihaspathi, Dakshan, Angiras, Prachethar, Samvarthar, Achanas, Athri, Apastambhar and Saathathapar.


One has to keep both the hands on the ears and tell "ABHIVADHAYE, bending oneself before doing "SHAASTANGHA NAMASKARAM".


அபிவாதயே செய்யும் போதை வலது போது வலது கையால் வலது காதும், இடது கையால் இடது காதை தொடுவதால்
பஞ்சபூதங்களில் உசந்த ஆகாசத்துக்குரியதான சப்தத்தை க்ரஹிப்பது.

This is a kinda exercise equivalent to that of dhorbi-karanam, which we do in front of Shri Ganesa. The prostrate posture provides us to withstand in any situation as it shatters our ego..







This post is for sharing knowledge only , no intention to violate any copyrights.

 

[renuka]

The reason for this exclusion is - Girls being gaining two different Gothram identity [One from her father before marriage & another from husband after marriage], were

 

[renuka]

ABHIVADHAYE.


ABHIVADAYE...AANGIRASAH....BARHASPATYA...BHARADWAJA...
TRAYA RISHEYA...PRAVARANVITHA....BHARADWAJA GOTRAHA
AAPASTHANMBHA SUTRAHA....SAMA SAKHA/YAJUSAKHA
ADHYAYI.......SARMA NAMAHAM AHAM ASMI BHUOOH...


It differs from Gothram to Gothram.


This is just a Bramin traditional style of introducing oneself that is in practice while seeking blessings from elders.


The reason for this exclusion is - Girls being gaining two different Gothram identity [One from her father before marriage & another from husband after marriage], were denied from this due to un-uniformity.


Why are there no female rishees in the abivadaye?


The Dharmashastras, part of Smirti, were quite ancient and based on the Vedas itself. The only difference is they were man made by the Rishis based on their understanding of the Vedas.


The Dharmashastras were codified by 18 Maharishis. They were Manu, Parashara, Yagnavalkya, Goutama, Haaritha, Yaman, Vishnu, Sankar, Likithar, Brihaspathi, Dakshan, Angiras, Prachethar, Samvarthar, Achanas, Athri, Apastambhar and Saathathapar.


One has to keep both the hands on the ears and tell "ABHIVADHAYE, bending oneself before doing "SHAASTANGHA NAMASKARAM".


அபிவாதயே செய்யும் போதை வலது போது வலது கையால் வலது காதும், இடது கையால் இடது காதை தொடுவதால்
பஞ்சபூதங்களில் உசந்த ஆகாசத்துக்குரியதான சப்தத்தை க்ரஹிப்பது.

This is a kinda exercise equivalent to that of dhorbi-karanam, which we do in front of Shri Ganesa. The prostrate posture provides us to withstand in any situation as it shatters our ego..







This post is for sharing knowledge only , no intention to violate any copyrights.

 

[Padmanabhan Janakiraman]

The reason for this exclusion is - Girls being gaining two different Gothram identity [One from her father before marriage & another from husband after marriage], were

I have stated the same in my Post: The reason for this exclusion is - Girls being gaining two different Gothram identity [One from her father before marriage & another from husband after marriage], were denied from this due to un-uniformity.

 

[renuka]

I have stated the same in my Post: The reason for this exclusion is - Girls being gaining two different Gothram identity [One from her father before marriage & another from husband after marriage], were denied from this due to un-uniformity.

It was your post that I had quoted..i had written a reply but i deleted it and could not delete the entire reply as the delete option was not there.

Actually this 2 different gotra for a female, somehow it seems a bit strange.
In a marriage there is union of both masculine and femine energy..so a male too will get some part of the feminine energy from his wife and so would the female get masculine energy from her husband.
The ardhanareshwara concept appears clear..that the left half of a man is his wife and the right half of a woman is her husband.
Some changes is taking place at a subtle level when two people marry.
Some married couples start to look very alike as they age.
There is an exchange of some form of energy..so its strange that only the Gotra of a male remains intact and the Gotra of a female is subject to change.

In matrilineal societies the concept of Gotra is totally absent.
Anyway, I might be wrong.

 

[Padmanabhan Janakiraman]

Men's gotra determines lineage. When women are married, they are accepted into the clan/lineage of the husband.



Men's gotra determines lineage.


There are proper Mantras recited from Bride and Bridegroom Vada Pandits to Change the Gothra of the Bride.

This Subject was discussed in this Form Long back in the year 2006.

Pravara is a ritual of changing the bride's and groom's Gotrams (clan) from both families !!​

 

[a-TB]

It is arising from beliefs of a society steeped in patriarchy. Not clear when it became so. In Mahabharata Arjuna was called Kountheya
Rama was known by his mother’s name. This was not just father focused society. Sita is described to have had upanayanam

Society changed not always for the best are glorified by calling it a tradition

 

[prasad1]

Men's gotra determines lineage. When women are married, they are accepted into the clan/lineage of the husband.

We have discussed Gotheram several times.

Post in thread 'Can someone advice me about how to change the Gothram'

Jun 2, 2014

Is there need to raise this Topic. Gotharm indicates that they are brothers and sisters of the same. Gothram. Meaning brothers and sisters will not marry each other,.Also ours is pa
Bornean is fixed, cannot be transferred.

Are you saying that 90% of the wold lives in Incest? Majority of people in the world do nor know their gotheram. So before making dire prediction based on your baseless theory, you should educate yourself, otherwise only tour ignorance is displayed.

How can there be only 28 rishies responsible for the all these progenies? If your theory is right then what is to...

• prasad1

Post in thread 'Can someone advice me about how to change the Gothram'

Jun 3, 2014

In stead of dwelling on the origins of gothra, you can say the gothra identification has helped those family progeny fairly good. A minority community has suffered a lot because others would not get into that community's in matrimonial alliance. The gothra sticks to the wife who has come in but it goes away if she goes away too from the family. But the gothra will stick to the male progeny in spite of mother's separation. There is no knowing the gothra has come down to the present generation without corruption. For instance how many of our people know of...

• Iyyarooraan

Post in thread 'Can someone advice me about how to change the Gothram'

Jun 4, 2014

Hi Folks - I just got back .

Ok here is a genuine case. A man [ say X ] married a widow [ say Y ] who already had daughter through
her first husband . When the girl was about 19 yrs old, X's father married Y's daughter. So X became
his own Father's Father In Law.

In the course of time the couple [ X's Dad & Y's daughter ] got a son [ say Z ]

Now, what would be the relationship between X & Z ?

Would X become his sibling or grand father ?

[ I have been careful not to mention Iyer / Iyengar / Naidu / Reddy / Mudaliar / Thevar / Chettiar etc anywhere]

Ha ha, there was...

• Anand Manohar

Post in thread 'Can someone advice me about how to change the Gothram'

Jun 4, 2014

Amji,
Welcome back to the forum.
Yes we beat up the same subjects with different actors, or sometimes the same actors in different role.
In Hare Krishna group all members get gothram at the time of conversion. In the north even some Brahmins do not know their gothram, the priest assigns them a gothram.

GOTHRAM is derived from noun GO + rootverb TRA of Sanskrit which
means -> Cow + Protect. Earlier, 'Gothram' used to be a place
where cattle were protected and reared, usually in hermiatge premises
or AASHRAMAs, since dairy products were much useful for YAJNA or
fire sacrifice. In simple...

• prasad1

In the court case "Madhavrao vs Raghavendrarao" which involved a Deshastha Brahmin couple, the German scholar Max Mueller's definition of gotra as descending from eight sages and then branching out to several families was thrown out by reputed judges of Bombay High Court. The court called the idea of Brahmin families descending from an unbroken line of common ancestors as indicated by the names of their respective gotras "impossible to accept." The court consulted relevant Hindu texts and stressed the need for Hindu society and law to keep up with the times, emphasizing that notions of good social behavior and the general ideology of the Hindu society had changed. The court also said that the mass of material in the Hindu texts is so vast and full of contradictions that it is almost an impossible task to reduce it to order and coherence.

I met a Panjabi Jat in Jalandhar temple who also had Kaundinya Gotheram. If Gotheram is by lineage then how can it cross the Caste barrier?



At one time, Gotheram might have been identified as an alumnus of a school run by a Rishi. Subsequently, they might have branched out, just as IIT alums can be found worldwide.

Post in thread 'Can someone advice me about how to change the Gothram'

Jun 4, 2014

Dear Prasad Ji

Wow! What an elaborate explanation - you really have tried to put things in perspective. But, be assured,
somebody will press the "Rewind & Play" button and it will start all over again. We are just NOT getting a
move on, on the subject.

The Mahavrao - Raghavendrarao verdict [ the entire text of which I'd earlier quoted ] ought to have been an
eye-opener for the whole populace, pan India basis. But despite the lapse of over 60 years since the pronouncement, nothing seems to have actually changed.

It is a type of a Medieval mind-set that we seem to be stuck...

• Anand Manohar

One esteemed member Mr. Sangom had posted this.

Post in thread 'Can someone advice me about how to change the Gothram'

Sep 16, 2014

I cannot understand the logic behind this. If the marriage is cancelled the girl should be able to go back to her gothram.

So if she decides to re-marry she should be quoting her ex-husband's gothram as her gothram?

If the prime event which caused the gothram change has been reversed why should she be stuck with the new gothram?

Is there any shastra confirming this?

Vanaja

Madam,

Gothram is a mere concept and can not be proven as based on facts. At some point of time in the long history of the three higher castes of the Indian society (i.e., the Brahmana, the...

• sangom

 

[a-TB]

Part of maturing is to recognize gotra, race, creed , gender , gender orientation , caste to name a few are meaningless imagination. Ideas of Gotra could be sanctioned superimposition to a student to live up to some ideals. Carrying all these as real past some age is sign of immaturity.

Mr PJ - you said in another thread to be more spiritual by posting such topics. Why not by declaring to yourself for starters that you are a human being without any other identity. That is the basic prerequisites for spiritual sense to blossom

 

[Padmanabhan Janakiraman]

Part of maturing is to recognize gotra, race, creed , gender , gender orientation , caste to name a few are meaningless imagination. Ideas of Gotra could be sanctioned superimposition to a student to live up to some ideals. Carrying all these as real past some age is sign of immaturity.

Mr PJ - you said in another thread to be more spiritual by posting such topics. Why not by declaring to yourself for starters that you are a human being without any other identity. That is the basic prerequisites for spiritual sense to blossom

Am i to proclaim that i am a Human Being ? Not Necessary.. Please give your valuable comments about my posts.

 

[a-TB]

It is about the message of the post only. Proclaiming only as a human being means giving up all other false identities. That is spiritual maturity. Not my view. That is the teaching of what is labelled as ‘neti neti’.

It was a figure of speech. Keep all your cherished identities.

 

[PRVSIYER]

ABHIVADHAYE.


ABHIVADAYE...AANGIRASAH....BARHASPATYA...BHARADWAJA...
TRAYA RISHEYA...PRAVARANVITHA....BHARADWAJA GOTRAHA
AAPASTHANMBHA SUTRAHA....SAMA SAKHA/YAJUSAKHA
ADHYAYI.......SARMA NAMAHAM AHAM ASMI BHUOOH...


It differs from Gothram to Gothram.


This is just a Bramin traditional style of introducing oneself that is in practice while seeking blessings from elders.


The reason for this exclusion is - Girls being gaining two different Gothram identity [One from her father before marriage & another from husband after marriage], were denied from this due to un-uniformity.


Why are there no female rishees in the abivadaye?


The Dharmashastras, part of Smirti, were quite ancient and based on the Vedas itself. The only difference is they were man made by the Rishis based on their understanding of the Vedas.


The Dharmashastras were codified by 18 Maharishis. They were Manu, Parashara, Yagnavalkya, Goutama, Haaritha, Yaman, Vishnu, Sankar, Likithar, Brihaspathi, Dakshan, Angiras, Prachethar, Samvarthar, Achanas, Athri, Apastambhar and Saathathapar.


One has to keep both the hands on the ears and tell "ABHIVADHAYE, bending oneself before doing "SHAASTANGHA NAMASKARAM".


அபிவாதயே செய்யும் போதை வலது போது வலது கையால் வலது காதும், இடது கையால் இடது காதை தொடுவதால்
பஞ்சபூதங்களில் உசந்த ஆகாசத்துக்குரியதான சப்தத்தை க்ரஹிப்பது.

This is a kinda exercise equivalent to that of dhorbi-karanam, which we do in front of Shri Ganesa. The prostrate posture provides us to withstand in any situation as it shatters our ego..







This post is for sharing knowledge only , no intention to violate any copyrights.

Abhivadaye is a better identity for brahmins than Gayatri as some people had thought. Gayatri is now a public property, as there are many audios on chanting it. Even some non-brahmins use it as a daily practice. This is the reason for considering it as a better identity for brahmins.

 

[renuka]

Abhivadaye is a better identity for brahmins than Gayatri as some people had thought. Gayatri is now a public property, as there are many audios on chanting it. Even some non-brahmins use it as a daily practice. This is the reason for considering it as a better identity for brahmins.

Dear Sir,
The Gayatri mantra is not public property and its not the identity of anyone either.

The Gayatri mantra is like the Sun through which we all are able to exists in the solar system.
Hence the Tat Savitur Varenyam.
Savita meaning " that from which all of this is born"

We humans cant claim ownership to the 5 elements itself.
The 5 elements are not public property either.
We all breathe in oxygen yet oxygen isnt public property nor the identity of anyone.

So just imagine the Gayatri mantra which talks about Savita..the source of everything and it even preceeds the 5 elements..so how can it be public property?

 

[a-TB]

Abhivadaye is a better identity for brahmins than Gayatri as some people had thought. Gayatri is now a public property, as there are many audios on chanting it. Even some non-brahmins use it as a daily practice. This is the reason for considering it as a better identity for brahmins.

The caste identities are harmful and it is a pure imagination of the mind.

Cultural practices can have an identity but such practices are constantly evolving.

The upanayanam contrary to its intended significance has just become an opportunity for taking photos. The essence of ceremony in its vast meaning is such that it is really applicable to all regardless of birth or gender provided they are committed to life of learning about truth of oneself regardless of the profession.

Brahmin caste identity is not serving the community well. For one most in this so called community are steeped in ignorance. Second, like most human beings they are trying to ape the west for all wrong things instead of learning from them where it matters.

Then there are nefarious forces that are trying to attack Hinduism which is only an umbrella term and they do this by attacking the so called Brahmin identity.

The confused and recent converts to another religion are the most mentally violent spewing hatred towards so called Brahmins.

That leaves those carrying Brahmin caste tag to fight which they are incapable of doing. Flight to other countries alone is the other option in a traditional sense.

There is a third option. Let the identity be - I am a human being hailing from this town and my father’s name is so and so. This can be codified in Sanskrit. Embrace the spirit of what PM advocates ‘ vasudhauva kutumbakam’. This does not mean one has to be ok with nefarious elements doing adharmic deeds attacking Hinduism. But we can recognize the person being different from their acts. Such an identity will be more in alignment with Brahmin definition in Gita

Let us try to understand profound meaning of Gayatri mantra. It is universal and applicable to all including aliens in the universe