How Do We Really See The World?

[renuka]

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Do we see the world logically or do we see it holistically?

Does Logic narrow our perspective eventually?

May be to a great extent we see the world thru our "Own Logic"...the Naane Raja Naane Manthiri feeling.

Logic in Sanskrit is called Tarka..coming from the root word Tark meaning "to suppose..to guess,to suspect..to infer"

One cant help noticing that the root word Tark means to guess too..and all other meanings like suspect/to infer/to suppose only indicate uncertainty.

So by logical thinking are we just playing a guessing game?

Can we be 100% certain with logic?

The root word Tark does not seem to echo so.

How does analytical thinking help?

I am sure many times we try solving a problem and we start to focus to look for a root cause and never solve the problem..but if we just sit back and try to look at the whole picture then the substratum of the problem pops in our mind and Eureka we solved the problem.

To a great extent holistic thinking helps..we do it unconsciously from time to time.

We can be the master logician the world has ever seen but when we sleep all logic disappears.

Take dreams for example..Dreams defy logic. There is no analytical dream.

Even when the mind is under the influence of alcohol..all logic goes out the door.One might even become poetic.

That is the subconscious mind..the mind that is free from the constraints of logic and analysis.

We can put up a fake front but our subconscious minds reveals our true nature.

"Tell me your dreams and I will tell you who you really are" seems to be a better approach than "tell me your friends and I will tell you who you are"

Friends are for the conscious mind...dreams are for the subconscious mind.Friends conceal..dreams reveal.

In the day time one can be the best logician ever..one can think analytically....But when during sleep the same logician can dream he is on a Pusphaka Vimanam and chasing the neighbour's wife.

He enjoys the dream..he does not try to stop the dream midway to analyse the aeronautics of the Pusphaka Vimanam. He does not think logically in his dreams.

When the logician wakes up..he smiles when he remembers the dream.He looks out of the window to get a glimpse of the neighbor's wife!LOL

The subconscious mind does not know logic. It sees pink elephants in dream..it flirts with nature in dreams..its weaves magic and we have poetry and art.

Art is not logic..art is a holistic expression.

Is our subconscious mind trying to tell us something which we have failed to listen?

That is to be Holistic..it's always been whole..if we choose to see only logic are we are actually being blinded?

So how do you want to see the whole.. Logically or Holistically ?

 

[krish44]

in north india , if you say someone is a tarki

it is supposed to mean argumentative and not being logical

there is nothing to be said in favour of being logical in everything

let us not all the be logical all the time and miss out on everything good even if it is in dream

dreamers have the dreamt the impossible and made it come true in many cases.

logic shows only the straight path and not the unconventional .

The great flashes Of wisdom and happiness I have experienced have always been over a drink of the bubbly taken in dingy dim lit halls of ill repute .

we have got omar khayyam to certify the happiness that comes out of a drink and someone besides to keep company

in dreams during early morning one can see angels dancing to Rehman music singing 'varaha nadikkarai oram' while in reality and logically at that time it could only be

our not so pretty bulky maid from local slum making breakfast for me

let us throw away all logic and not be blinded by it

le us be comfortable depend on our subconscious and reach for the heavanly experiences .

if it is to be called Holistic and illogical , so be it.

 

[sravna]

Dear Renuka,

I agree with you that holistic thinking is a sub conscious process whereas logical thinking is a conscious process.

Almost all difficult problems need to be solved by holistic thinking. In the case of difficult problems the information necessary to solve the problem is incomplete and a holistic approach would solve the problem by filling in the missing information .The more holistic, your thinking process is, the more you are able see the missing information and connect everything together to find the solution.

Logical thinking is an alternate approach and is employed when the information necessary to solve the problem is known to us and inference is used to solve the problem. You may use some assumptions to solve the problem. You make the conclusion based on the assumptions and premises. So one needs to make the right assumptions to arrive at the right conclusion.

Holistic approach is likely to yield better results because all the premises, assumptions and conclusion are seen as an interconnected whole and better reflect the truth whereas in the case of logical approach the assumptions you make not reflect the reality.

 

[renuka]

Dear Sravna,

Agreed..but at the same time we really cant 100% run away from logic too.

I think we have spent a great deal of our lives analyzing by logic.Wonder how that really helped us.

I think as children we are holistic but as we grow up we become logical in thinking.

I remember many years ago I was shopping and a small child that was with me playfully pushed the clothes rack and it almost fell.

So I asked "who pushed it"

The child then ran to the changing rooms that were open where 2 mirrors are were facing each other and stood there and said "There are so many of me here..so who pushed the rack?"

You see the child was logically holistic..he knew that standing in front of 2 mirrors facing each other will produce multiple images(that was logic) and then he proceeded to say that "so who pushed the rack?"

That shows he was seeing the whole picture..multiple images..so who pushed the rack?

Somehow along the line of getting older we forgot to be holistic.

 

[renuka]

if it is to be called Holistic and illogical , so be it.

Yes Yes..HOLIstic...enjoy the colors of spring..why let logic paint the mind..logic knows no color.

 

[sangom]

Do we see the world logically or do we see it holistically?

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So how do you want to see the whole.. Logically or Holistically ?

We see the world, nay, the Universe itself, not "holistically" in the absolute sense of that word, because we are so created by Nature itself so. Within this narrow "half-G spectrum" there is not much meaning in discussing about whether one should see things 'holistically' or 'unholistically' (because imo logical is not opposite to holistic.).

Each one has a certain in-built pre-dilection and each person's world view will hence be different. Education, training and external discipline imposed upon a person may make him/her to view a particular item or particular class of items (by analogy) in either a holistic way or otherwise.

I feel the best way is to allow nature to work out in its own way instead of behaving like the disciple of the legendary Paramananda Guru who wanted to know, logically, whether the Donnai supported the ghee inside it or whether the ghee inside shaped the Donnai!

 

[renuka]

(because imo logical is not opposite to holistic.).

Each one has a certain in-built pre-dilection and each person's world view will hence be different. Education, training and external discipline imposed upon a person may make him/her to view a particular item or particular class of items (by analogy) in either a holistic way or otherwise.

I feel the best way is to allow nature to work out in its own way instead of behaving like the disciple of the legendary Paramananda Guru who wanted to know, logically, whether the Donnai supported the ghee inside it or whether the ghee inside shaped the Donnai!

Dear Sangom Ji,

Yes you are right..about logical not being the opposite of holistic.