How righteous was Karna?

[renuka]

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Agreed. But the key question is did Karna who is otherwise well known for his righteousness, goodness, charity, humiliated Draupadi or not ? The point is if Karna really did it, then Krishna would never have gone to Karna saying he is the true Dharma Rajan, & asking him to lead the Pandavas in the war. My larger point is that the entire incident could be cooked up as victors always glorify themselves and show the losers in a bad light.

Karna did humiliate Draupadi but she had humiliated him at her syayamvara when she said she doesnt want a suta putra to take part.

So tit for tat.

 

[Jaykay767]

You had written the following..i guess its a mistake as you said.

Valmiki Ramayan itself praises Karna for his charity, goodness & many incidents like how Karna & Duryodhanas wife were playing board games & how Duryodhana had such faith, he never suspects Karna nor his wife.

typo error. I meant the official text Mahabharata itself praises Karna on his righteoueness, goodness & Charity. if Karna had indulged in such henious act of humiliating Draupadi, they would not have done so.

 

[Jaykay767]

Karna did humiliate Draupadi but she had humiliated him at her syayamvara when she said she doesnt want a suta putra to take part.

So tit for tat.

Karna was humiliated by everyone, not just Draupadi. Bhisma, Drona, etc.. all at various times insulted him.

 

[Jaykay767]

Karna did humiliate Draupadi but she had humiliated him at her syayamvara when she said she doesnt want a suta putra to take part.

So tit for tat.

if so, then how do you reconcile, Krishna going to Karna and asking him to lead the dharmic war from the pandavas side ?

 

[sravna]

if so, then how do you reconcile, Krishna going to Karna and asking him to lead the dharmic war from the pandavas side ?

Dear Jaykay,

Krishna was both strategic and dharmic when the strategy fitted within the framework of dharma. Krishna being parabrahman knew Karna would not accept his offer. He just wanted to appease Kunti who was ridden with guilt.

 

[sravna]

Also if Karna had accepted what Krishna asked, then he would have fallen from his highest virtue and hence from dharma.

 

[renuka]

if so, then how do you reconcile, Krishna going to Karna and asking him to lead the dharmic war from the pandavas side ?

Krishna even tried discussing a way out with Duryodhana to solve the problem of the kingdom dispute.

I dont think God judges anyone as good or bad..God just wants to remove obstacles for smooth functioning for general well being.

 

[prasad1]

Krishna even tried discussing a way out with Duryodhana to solve the problem of the kingdom dispute.

I dont think God judges anyone as good or bad..God just wants to remove obstacles for smooth functioning for general well being.

All powerful, omnipotent, omniscient God does not fail. If God fails, then that is not God.
Krishna the man may have tried and failed. But then again, the man who was Krishna was human, and failed in many of his endeavors. He failed to win against Jarasandha was a powerful king of Magadha and ran away to Mathura. So on and so on.

 

[renuka]

We as humans then to divide everything into ups and downs, success and failure, loss and gain, victory and defeat.

Krishna the Avatar is beyond polar opposites.
What looks like failure or victory in the life of Krishna is just His leelas..we might not understand the mechanics as to why some actions seemed like " failure or victory".

The effect of Maya does like to make us human humanize God in everthing we do from prayer to worship and even rejecting the idea of God.

All powerful, omnipotent, omniscient God does not fail. If God fails, then that is not God.
Krishna the man may have tried and failed. But then again, the man who was Krishna was human, and failed in many of his endeavors. He failed to win against Jarasandha was a powerful king of Magadha and ran away to Mathura. So on and so on.

 

[sravna]

All powerful, omnipotent, omniscient God does not fail. If God fails, then that is not God.
Krishna the man may have tried and failed. But then again, the man who was Krishna was human, and failed in many of his endeavors. He failed to win against Jarasandha was a powerful king of Magadha and ran away to Mathura. So on and so on.

We as humans then to divide everything into ups and downs, success and failure, loss and gain, victory and defeat.

Krishna the Avatar is beyond polar opposites.
What looks like failure or victory in the life of Krishna is just His leelas..we might not understand the mechanics as to why some actions seemed like " failure or victory".

The effect of Maya does like to make us human humanize God in everthing we do from prayer to worship and even rejecting the idea of God.

Very well said Renuka! The concept of failure or victory cannot be applied to God. He is all knowing and all powerful. His ultimate goal being help everyone towards moksha. Whatever needs to be done to further that objective will be done. It happens spontaneously even without his active part but now and then He descends as Avatar when things seem to go out of control.

 

[sravna]

 

[sravna]