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How the name Ahobala came?

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Census of the Exact Sciences in Sanskrit - David Edwin Pingree - Google Books



[h=1]Census of the Exact Sciences in Sanskrit, Series A- Volume 5[/h] [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]By David Edwin Pingree, American Philosophical society, Philadelphia, 1993[/FONT]


The above book page No 13, It has mentioned that
Ahobala Bhatta was the son of Nirusimha of Kowsiga Gothra, a devotee of Virupaaksha of Hema Koota, on the Pampa bank. This Ahobala was formed to maintain the Siva Temples in Karnataka.
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Ramachandran
 

Census of the Exact Sciences in Sanskrit - David Edwin Pingree - Google Books



Census of the Exact Sciences in Sanskrit, Series A- Volume 5

By David Edwin Pingree, American Philosophical society, Philadelphia, 1993


The above book page No 13, It has mentioned that
Ahobala Bhatta was the son of Nirusimha of Kowsiga Gothra, a devotee of Virupaaksha of Hema Koota, on the Pampa bank. This Ahobala was formed to maintain the Siva Temples in Karnataka.
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Ramachandran

RAMACHANDRAN SIR

No where it is mentioned "This Ahobala was formed to maintain the Siva Temples in Karnataka." in that page

Please go through it once again.
 
Please read the attached files.

History of Rahavendra/ Manthralaya:

The ancient name of Manthralaya was Nivarthi Sangamam., (Nirvarti sangamam means a place where Sanyasis attains Siddhi ) this place was under the rule of Kakadheya king Prathapa Rudra[1], who had constructed many Siva Temples (Sangameswara temple) in this area, and entrusted the maintenances of these Siva Temples to Ahobala matha at Changalamari Taluque, KanadanavÕlu (Karnool)Talukka[2] These temples had many valuable Jewels, golden ornaments and gold and silver coins.

In saka 1317 (A.D.1395) Harihara constructed a mantapa and King Krisna Raya handed over the jewels to Ahobala matha[3].

This Mantralaya was given to Vibhunendra svami, the 11[SUP]th[/SUP] Pontiff of Udupi Matha by Krishnaraya as Sarvamanya, this was with drawn when Rama Raya an officer under Siddhi Masood Khan[4] and again returned to 12[SUP]th[/SUP] Pontiff Jitamitra swami.

In Saka 1541 A.D.1619 Muhamadians, headed by Munavar Khan Subordinate of Mohmaed Ali of Hydrabad[5], destroyed all the temples and looted jewels and gold.
At this time the head of Ahobalam was Sriman Sathagopa.

By the mean time, Hyderabad Nizam sent Muzafur Jung to Kurnool to seize this area from Munavar Khan. This Muzafur Jung appointed one Muhammed Alam to lead the army to attack Munavar Khan.. Munavar Khan went to Kadapaha, obtained a loan from a Sowkar a sum of Rs 3 lakhs, thro Nawab Mucha Miya and hired army men.

Mohmad Alam, asked for assistance from on Rama Rao of Gadwal, to attack Munavar, who asked that he, the Muhamed Alam should give back his ancestor’s village. Muhammed agreed and Rama rao sent one Sambhaji to assist Muhammed Alam..

The trio Muzarfur Jung. Muhammed Alam and Rama Rao, captured Karnool and at this time Muzafur Jung left for Hydrabad to bring more army to attack Munavar Khan.

Munavar approached Rama Rao through an agent and negotiated, terms were accepted and signed. The ancestral properties, the 19 villages were given back to Rama Rao. Rama Rao honored Alam and sent him back to Hyderabad[6].

The political changes affected the life of a common man and he was running from pillar to post, moving from forest to hills, hidden himself in pits to save himself, and he had no time to educate himself.

This innocence was utilized by Rulers who robbed the public and their valuables.

The temples collected the taxes on behalf of the kings, and acted as sub treasury which was looted by many including Mohals.

In Saka varusha 1500 (A.D. 1578), when Gopala Raju was ruling Ahobala matha,
jeer of Ahobala was Srivan sadagopa[7]

Ibrahim Qutab Shah of Kurnool navab Munvar Khan ,entered the Kurnool Dist, destroyed all the Siva Temples, pulled the entire structure down to earth, looted the jewels and started ruling this Village[8]. The Jeer of Ahobala was Sri Mann Satagopa Jiyyar. This jeer moved to Kumbhakonam with his disciples and on the way he was wandering in Thondai mandalam.


In A.D. 1500, Due to Muslims penetration in Andhra Country, The Ahobala Matha Jeeyar Sri sashta Parankusa Yatheendra Maha desikan left for Tamil Country and reached Kancheepuram, with his disciples and settled in Neervaloor.(The Sthala Purana of this Neervaloor mentions about the visit of this jeeyar who constructed a Lakshmi Narayana Temple in Neervaloor) This jeer Constructed Sri Lakshminarayana Perumal Temple in this Village and declared open (Kumbhabhishagam) on Dundhubhi Varusham, Thai 13, Thiru Ãdhirai Nakshatra, Navami Thithi. ( 09[SUP]th[/SUP] Jan 1503)

There were two occasions that Vaishanavites immigrated to Neervaloor, first at A.D.1500 and second in A.D.1578, along with them Sri Rahavendra’s Great Grand and grand fathers might have moved in.



There is a manuscript mentions that Venkatanatha born in Thondai mandalam, (Kanchi) in a riverbed village in which located a shrine for Lakshmi Narayana.

So the place of birth of Rahavendra Svami must be Neervaloor.

In Neervaloor, there was a river which went up to Poondy, and the path of this river is shown in Annanda Vikatan of 1970[9], Chingleput Dist.



It seems Rahavendra Svami was the 17[SUP]th[/SUP] Matathipathy of Udupi., succeeded Sudanendra svami [10].


Sri Rahavendraa returned to this place, and at that time he was known as Sathya Nidhi Tirtha Svami[11] and he under took the maintenance of Sangamesvara shine. This place was given as a honor to the Madhva Guru in Saka 1572 A.D 1650 for the work he carried out . A matha was constructed and the Madva Guru attained Siddhi in S 1582 (A.D. 1660), a brindhavanam was opened for him in the village[12].

The river Tungabadra often flooded and destroyed all the Siva temples.

In 1712, a sanad / Sassana was given by Abdul Masood Khan. In A.D.1759, another sasana was was given by Mustafur Jung.

The Subhanendra svami matham (16[SUP]th[/SUP] Pontiff of Udupi) is in mangale on the banks of River Thungabhadra., was given as Sarvamaya to Udupi matha.



[1] ) T.V.Mahalingam, Ed., Mackenzie Manuscripts Vol- II, University of Madras 1976., p-96

[2] ) T.V.Mahalingam, Ed., Mackenzie Manuscripts Vol- II, University of Madras 1976., pp 78

[3] ) T.V.Mahalingam, Ed., Mackenzie Manuscripts Vol- II, University of Madras 1976., pp 78

[4] ) T.V.Mahalingam, Ed., Mackenzie Manuscripts Vol- II, University of Madras 1976., p-186

[5] ) T.V.Mahalingam, Ed., Mackenzie Manuscripts Vol- II, University of Madras 1976., p-79

[6] ) T.V.Mahalingam, Ed., Mackenzie Manuscripts Vol- II, University of Madras 1976., pp 80-81

[7] ) Henry Heras, Aravidu Dynasty of Vijaya Nagara, B.G.Paul &co., Madras 1927 pp-542-543.
Inscriptions 65, 73 and 75 of 1915

[8] ) T.V.Mahalingam, Ed., Mackenzie Manuscripts Vol- II, University of Madras 1976., pp 78-79

[9] ) T-3733, Government Oriental Manuscript Libray, Chennai 600005

[10] ) T.V.Mahalingam, Ed., Mackenzie Manuscripts Vol- II, University of Madras 1976., p-187

[11] ) T.V.Mahalingam, Ed., Mackenzie Manuscripts Vol- II, University of Madras 1976., p-96

[12] ) T.V.Mahalingam, Ed., Mackenzie Manuscripts Vol- II, University of Madras 1976., p-96
 

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Visit ASI Library, at st.Geprge , Chennai- 600008, get these books and cross verify.
 
Your reference in the Thread is not a sufficient proof to your OP.
Going to another place and checking for proof is another matter.
Your original post, page no 13 is not a sufficient proof to your OP
 
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Yes, I agree. But this page is in continuation of my article , in which I refered Mackenzie Manuscripts Part II, page No 78, Kaifiat of Ahobalam, Which states that Kakatiya Pradapa Rudra, a saiva reddy king who donated jewels to Ahobala Math and costructed Mandaps to temples. There are inscriptions at Srisailam.

Due to Muslim entry, the entire jewels were robbed by the Muslim and the Srivan Sadagopan left for Kanchi, Thondai mandalam.

In last two centuries many Siva Temples were converted to Vaishnava Temples, and in 1904, when a team of epigraphists visited Tirupathy, all the brahmins thrown the inscriptions in to the well and tank!

ASI team recorded this. I have the list of this in GO Form. It won't look nice if I post that here.

There are books at Government Oriental Manuscript Library, Behind Madras University Library, and you ask for Mackenzie manuscripts Pat I and Part II. They will hand over these books. These books has everything that I quoted, and what you need is only patience and interest.
In Mackenzie Manuscript Part II, page No 86, Mentions about a temple constructed for Ahobala! at Obeleswara kanma, (Tadiptri) So Ahobala is the name of the person on whose name the mutt runs!!
 
Yes, I agree. But this page is in continuation of my article , in which I refered Mackenzie Manuscripts Part II, page No 78, Kaifiat of Ahobalam, Which states that Kakatiya Pradapa Rudra, a saiva reddy king who donated jewels to Ahobala Math and costructed Mandaps to temples. There are inscriptions at Srisailam.

Due to Muslim entry, the entire jewels were robbed by the Muslim and the Srivan Sadagopan left for Kanchi, Thondai mandalam.

In last two centuries many Siva Temples were converted to Vaishnava Temples, and in 1904, when a team of epigraphists visited Tirupathy, all the brahmins thrown the inscriptions in to the well and tank!

ASI team recorded this. I have the list of this in GO Form. It won't look nice if I post that here.

There are books at Government Oriental Manuscript Library, Behind Madras University Library, and you ask for Mackenzie manuscripts Pat I and Part II. They will hand over these books. These books has everything that I quoted, and what you need is only patience and interest.
In Mackenzie Manuscript Part II, page No 86, Mentions about a temple constructed for Ahobala! at Obeleswara kanma, (Tadiptri) So Ahobala is the name of the person on whose name the mutt runs!!

RAMACHANDRAN Sir

You might have made extensive study about Temple Construction etc etc.

My point is different; your OP says that

The above book page No 13, It has mentioned that
Ahobala Bhatta was the son of Nirusimha of Kowsiga Gothra, a devotee of Virupaaksha of Hema Koota, on the Pampa bank. This Ahobala was formed to maintain the Siva Temples in Karnataka.

Which is NOT TRUE.

When you open a new Thread , you must mention all relevant facts for the benefit of members.

Also if one wants to cross check the facts mentioned by you without actually going to Library, or referring the concerned book, one must be able to find evidence from Google Search which is NOT there in your case.

Can you give me any Link in Google to prove your point?
I am in UK, and many members are in different parts of the world; they can not be running to
Government Oriental Manuscript Library, Behind Madras University Library, to check the details.
 
Dear P.J.

You are in U.K., Excellent then if you visit India Offices they are having the copies of the manuscripts I believe. In Chennai There were number of books on religion and some were in favour of Siva. In last century there were enmity between Iyers and Iyengars and in Iyengars Vadakalai and Then kalai etc. There were criticism on Madwas too. Madwas scolded iyers. Even though Madwas are Smarthas, they tried to worship Vishnu and In Madwa Mithran, a monthly digest from Madwa sect., criticised Iyers! At that time all the Pro iyer books were removed and destroyed. In Particular, Nalaayira Divya Prabandam Orginal was thrown away and there was a case in Madras High Court/ Supreme Court in 1892. On this Naalayira Divya Prabandam! The part I of this palm leave manuscript was copied and original destroyed! This was by the jeer of Tirukurungudi! I made a study on this and found many truths. But all are in my cupboard.

Some time back I attached few files but no one downloaded that. Even now I attached 2 files but no views!

When no one wish to download what is the use in attaching files?

I made a research on Samayapuram and attached a file. No one down loaded! I made a research about temple administration since CE 1000 to 1998., and no one down loaded!

Further I made extensive study in Agama! and shared my views. That was long ago! but I remember no one encouraged and asked for details.

If a man do a research he should not bring religion in it and try to prove his religion is the best! He should understand the base of it!
Vedas- Every one think it is of god and yagas and Yagnas., but my approach on vedas are different. It is occult chemistry! and I posted my findings in

nanoforum.org/nanoboard

through which I got some response.

If you pay a visit to India offices in London I am sure you will get a copy of the book or you can see in PDF form.

If you are unable to get, then PM I will scan a copy of the page and send them.
 
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DEAR RAMACHANDRAN SIR

I appreciate your work, but still you miss my point.

Again those members who are outside India/ or nearer to MADRAS UNIVERSITY must be able to verify the correctness of any fact sitting in their home, searching through various sites.

Why should i travel all the way from Wales Where i am staying to India office in London to check the correctness of your post?
Same is the case with everyone in any part of the world.

Can you please give me any Link in support of your POST?
 
Ramachandran Sir

It is not enough if you prove the facts to me, the proof should be easily available to everyone, that's my point.
I can not share your views with my friends in FB or in other sites where i am a member, unless i have a SITE LINK to prove what i am posting.

I hope you got my point.
 
Ramachandran Sir

Please understand this:

By posting such matters here without any proper support of Links Iyyengar Community will be wounded.
 
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