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sravna,spiritually all nations are supra-powers.but there is only one bhu-lokam,which is the actual superpower,isn't it?
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India is Siuperpower stuff
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sangom
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Shri Sravna,
I observed that at one stage, instead of attacking/countering the fallacy, if any, in my views/opinions, you had started saying about educated people holding such views etc. and that is why I wanted to stem such personal references.
As I have said more than once in this thread, there is absolutely no harm if a person dreams of anything so long as he does not get carried away by it. Pragmatism can be of different levels but what is described or referred to as one's dream cannot be termed a pragmatic one. There is no objection to more people writing in support of you and your dream as Shri Suryakasyapa has done, and may be there are people who have ideas different from those of both of us. My writing my views and standing by it does not mean that the topic has no potential for useful contributions, if some others do it. But to me it will be a frivolous idea with no plan for achieving it having been outlined by you.
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SuryaKasyapa
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Sri Sangom,
Thank you for the post.
You have clearly written down the qualifications to become Super power, and why US is a superpower now.
A lot of thanks for that. Actually in so many words I just wanted to expose the same truth.
Everything is justified in a stroke- Iraq,Vietnam,Afghanistan Cuba, etc etc....
So for India to become a superpower, what is needed is very simple... Things made easy... all other excercise is futile..
The same logic if deducted to all other fields will mean that, if a person kills one, he is just a murderer and to be punished.
If he ruthlessly kills hundreds and thousands, then he is a superman,till his record is broken... Is it not?
We are going to get a nice world !!! Definitely the journey has begun...
Greetings.
sangom
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Shri Suryakasyapa,
I think you are completely forgetting world history and even Indian history (I mean, the history of the Indian sub-continent). Read cANakya's arthasAstra and you will find that "rAjatantra" had very little to do with whatever you think should be followed. Why did Asoka attack Kalinga? Why did Alexander come up to Punjab? Take any attack and you will find the same thing; the mighty will subjugate the weak and rule over them. That is the law of nature. The only option available to the less mighty is to have more of cunningness which also is an essential part of rAjatantra (Sivaji and Afzal Khan).
We are proud about கங்கை கொண்ட சோழன். Why did he go north, for establishing "dharma" there? Not at all, just because he thought he could and should extend his kingdom's borders. That has ever been the case. So, the "nice world" was there since a long long time; not that "we are going to get a nice world" and the journey began very long ago when man first concieved and initiated the habit of living in settlements (a fixed area demarcated for a particular group of people) from his earlier purely nomadic life and shifting cultivation. It is you who have either forgotten these histories or are new to this information.
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sravna
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The first step i would take is to present a perspective of india in the light i want it to be viewed by the world. This is less of an image building exercise and more of a carefully planned reality creating exercise. It thus means a deeper and a holistic impact that should be synchronized with real achievements such as in governance, scientific breakthroughs etc.
The challenge is to make the world believe what it sees is the reality and not perceptions because perceptions change whereas realities don't. I am not talking about magic or maya but some well thought out exercise
The other challenge would be in changing the psyche of the citizen from the present materialistic inclinations to a spiritual one. This one is for the future and focus should start right from the young age. It is my feeling that this transformation has the potential to make the country really formidable
Both are very difficult challenges but with both sustantive developments and the right
projection India is capable of achieving a high status that will be enduring
The challenge is to make the world believe what it sees is the reality and not perceptions because perceptions change whereas realities don't. I am not talking about magic or maya but some well thought out exercise
The other challenge would be in changing the psyche of the citizen from the present materialistic inclinations to a spiritual one. This one is for the future and focus should start right from the young age. It is my feeling that this transformation has the potential to make the country really formidable
Both are very difficult challenges but with both sustantive developments and the right
projection India is capable of achieving a high status that will be enduring
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sravna
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In my previous post I mentioned the importance of projecting the right image of our country before the world. If that is done in a thoughtful manner we would have made a very good start. Let us emphasize our strenghts in accomplishing the task. And very serendipitiously our strength which is spirituality exactly is the panacea for the
violence that rules the minds of the people.
The west had a headstart in Science and ruled the world for over 2 centuries. But science and technology brought in its wake problems that they are finding it difficult to grapple with.If we can employ our advantage creatively on which we definitely have a great headstart we will be a power that is sought after. Science or technology is in my opinion cannot find a solution to today's problems.
violence that rules the minds of the people.
The west had a headstart in Science and ruled the world for over 2 centuries. But science and technology brought in its wake problems that they are finding it difficult to grapple with.If we can employ our advantage creatively on which we definitely have a great headstart we will be a power that is sought after. Science or technology is in my opinion cannot find a solution to today's problems.
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sravna
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The perceived strengths of the various countries whatever they may be are just those perceptions. IF USA can develop an atom bomb or a nuclear bomb so can Japan, India or other countries which are at the forefront. now. The real difference not lies in possessing the genius in developing such capabilities but in the fact that these capabilities are sought by them and once they give an advantage, in maintaining that exclusive position.
The game is more played at the strategic and policy making level of the country. But I would say that machiavellianism has its limitations. It is something that can be countered by someone smarter and is not visionary in scope.
I would personally want India to shun such negative approach and resort to an approach that very luckily for it might find takers in a world trying to tackle violence, if not now, soon
The game is more played at the strategic and policy making level of the country. But I would say that machiavellianism has its limitations. It is something that can be countered by someone smarter and is not visionary in scope.
I would personally want India to shun such negative approach and resort to an approach that very luckily for it might find takers in a world trying to tackle violence, if not now, soon
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Sri Sravna,
I am really happy to note that now you have commenced thinking, after giving expression to your dream.
1. You say that you would "present a perspective of india in the light i want it to be viewed by the world". It has not been clarified whether you are talking here of the spiritual strengths only (with which you dreamt that India would be able to control the three other super powers), or you are referring to the materialistic side like abilities in industries, arms and armed might, space technology, etc., or both. Since you refer to scientific breakthroughs, it seems that you are talking about materialistic side. You may now spell out clearly.
In any case it is next to impossible to make other nations believe that India is something which it really is not, especially with today's spy satellites and the extensive spy systems of the larger powers on the ground. This doubt comes because of your sentence, "This is less of an image building exercise and more of a carefully planned reality creating exercise." Pl. clarify what you really mean.
I don't know whether you agree that some 1000 or 1500 years ago, the psyche of the people of the Indian sub-continent was much more spiritually oriented than today. If you do, then it will be easy to see that such spiritual inclination, wiped out almost all interest in the materialistic side with the result that there was hardly any thought given to what was happening in the other countries with which we had good sea-trade from time immemmorial, and prepare ourselves for any attack from any side. In a way our rulers were smug that their country has all that it required. That is what spirituality usually does in a world full of materialists. As I have said in an earlier post, the law of nature is "survival of the fittest"; spirituality may take us to a new existence in some other dimension or "loka" but our sojourn in this world depends only on our materialistic might. I will, therefore, request you to spell out clearly as to how you propose to manage both or, is it that you think spirituality alone will be powerful for countering any materialistic attack and if yes, how and why it will be sufficient.
This is as nebulous a statement as your original dream. Nevertheless, it is a sign of some realism dawning in you in that you agree that both these are "difficult challenges", thereby conceding that India becoming a super-power is also an equally challenging task.
This again is a very generalized statement not leading to anything. Which type of strenths are you referring to - spiritual or materialistic? As I have already made clear, India does not have any "original" strength for which it can take due credit and feel proud; what we have so far been able to do is run somewhat fast to reach somewhere near the developed countries in their ever-continuing race to super-power status. Perhaps our only unique strength is a large English-familiar, computer work force. I would like you to serially list the strengths of India which you consider can be projected.
And then immediately you state "very serendipitiously our strength which is spirituality". Is our spiritual spirituality serendipitous, that is just obtained by lucky chance and not because of our people's continued striving to gain spiritual knowledge? Or, is it that our spiritual knowledge has serendipitously (by lucky coincidence) become the exact "panacea for the violence that rules the minds of the people"? If this were true even India would not have seen the violence that it witnessed during the partition, Indo-Pak wars, Kashmir, Assam, Nagaland, Linguistic violence, Mandal agitation, and now the Maoist uprising. If the spiritual panacea is so ineffective at home, how will anyone be convinced that India's spirituality will put an end to violence that rules the minds of people elsewhere in this world? Kindly explain.
I feel that everything in this world has advantages and disadvantages, spirituality included. The problems, if any, caused by science cannot be nullified by spirituality. If you have a different view, please elucidate how you would actually implement your suggestion/idea on the ground.
Not everyone can make an atom bomb or hydrogen bomb or an ICBM (the last one is still evading Indian ability) just because they want one; there are several peripheral things also to be complied with viz., a reliable delivery system, fire-control radar, evading detection and so on. Hence it is glib talk to say the any country at the forefront can do it. The mighty countries like US, China and Russia go on developing newer, more destructive and less vulnerable weapons and so it is not just sufficient to possess a few outdated IRBMs or MRBMs or even ICBMs but to be ahead of the others in the race to power.
Mere policy-making or strategy will be of no use. It should have real backing by way of possession of the arms and a sure, accurate delivery capacity for those. வெறும் கை முழம் போடாது. Machiavellianism has its limitations, I agree, but the more machiavellian one is, the more the chance to win. But you immediately concede also that some one smarter will overtake but a visionary will fail. Again you seem to admit that dreaming, ordinary machiavellianism etc., are not sufficient. Hence the imperative for being practical. I doubt in what sense you interpret machiavellianism; it means, "the employment of cunning and duplicity in statecraft or in general conduct"
This is a pious hope bordering on dream. Hence no comments.
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sravna
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The first towards making India the spiritual center of the world is to make it the education center of the world. We possess a treasure of knowledge in this regard in addition to techniques and practices such yoga. The knowledge from the vedas and other religious scriptures should be distilled and should be part of the curriculum even from the primary level and should go up to doctorate level.Thus in additional to imparting the wisdom as it is, we can make our own contributions with atleast in respect of gaining a rational understanding.
It is left to our initiative and imagination in creating such a set up. If Science can attract so many people to the western countries why not spirituality to India?
It is left to our initiative and imagination in creating such a set up. If Science can attract so many people to the western countries why not spirituality to India?
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sravna
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Dear Shri Sangom,
In spite of difficult challenges that India needs to tackle I have a sense of optimism for her if she to plays her cards right
The optimism arises because of my belief in the indestructible strength that a spiritual orientation can offer. Science or technology cannot provide such insurance. A silly war can bring even a mighty country down. What was the might of Britain 100 years back? What is its status now? Even mighty nations are not invulnerable. In this volatile environmewnt It may take only some provocations to be dragged into a war and be ravaged by it.
All materialistic orientations insidiously weaken your mind and does not offer healthy long term effect. Why should you rack your brain making a more destructive weapon when you can stay clear of all the dirty politics that necessitates it and instead find real peace and harmony inwards and ensure lasting peace for yourself and others.
All that needs to put an end to this world is an impetuous act by one who can lay his hands on a nuclear bomb or such destructive device. What good is the knowledge gained by science if all that it really is used for is to gain control
and supremacy and trying to send everybody to the nether world when one's own safety may be really at risk?
In spite of difficult challenges that India needs to tackle I have a sense of optimism for her if she to plays her cards right
The optimism arises because of my belief in the indestructible strength that a spiritual orientation can offer. Science or technology cannot provide such insurance. A silly war can bring even a mighty country down. What was the might of Britain 100 years back? What is its status now? Even mighty nations are not invulnerable. In this volatile environmewnt It may take only some provocations to be dragged into a war and be ravaged by it.
All materialistic orientations insidiously weaken your mind and does not offer healthy long term effect. Why should you rack your brain making a more destructive weapon when you can stay clear of all the dirty politics that necessitates it and instead find real peace and harmony inwards and ensure lasting peace for yourself and others.
All that needs to put an end to this world is an impetuous act by one who can lay his hands on a nuclear bomb or such destructive device. What good is the knowledge gained by science if all that it really is used for is to gain control
and supremacy and trying to send everybody to the nether world when one's own safety may be really at risk?
sangom
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Shri Sravna,
I think I am the only person now responding to your posts and even Suryakasyapa has withdrawn.
I don't think you raed my post #34 before writing this. Anyway, here goes:
I felt happy reading the first sentence but my happiness vanished the moment I read the next one.
You know Mahesh Yogi of the TM fame? He had tried the way you think but, thanks to the broadmindedness of US he has a university of management in Fairfield but I don't know what impact it is making in the Americans.
Before we talk about yoga, vedas, scriptures, etc., we ourselves should have a fairly good idea of what they are, what they tell and how those things are relevant to today's world. It is not at all wise to prescribe yoga, veda etc., for making India a spiritual centre of the world; we already have enough and more people learning all these things but beyond publishing books and doing research these outdated knowledge has no relevance to today's world, if anyone has to earn his daily bread through education.
I would, therefore, once again request that you also consider the feasibility of whatever you put forth.
sangom
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Shri Sravna,
Now you have veered far away from your original postulate of India becoming a super power.
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Shri Sangom,
One theme I find recurring in your posts is your reference to "present day realities" . You seem to paint them as if realities don't change. Changes in realities keep happening periodically and it is my suspicion that we are in fact in crossroads now. As much as the world has seen how technology can enhance physical comforts, to the same extent it is at the receiving end of it from terrorist activities to a range of crimes that are being perpetuated using technology.
The sad part is that people still don't seem to attruibute or blame such happenings on technology and I doubt whether that will ever happen but the truth is something that needs to be eventually handled. Actually I would not blame technology per se but the minds that find devious uses for it.
So you see the problem? We are trying to put the cart before the horse. whereas it would be the right way to discipline our mind first and then focus on inventing external tools that will enhance our quality of life we are doing exactly the reverse. We are rushing to build destructive weapons mainly because our minds are not equipped enough to envision the disastrous consequences of such acts.
What if rest of the world does something different. I think the time come for a fundamental shift in philosophy. Why not India take that initiative at this opportune moment when the world wants a peaceful existence?
One theme I find recurring in your posts is your reference to "present day realities" . You seem to paint them as if realities don't change. Changes in realities keep happening periodically and it is my suspicion that we are in fact in crossroads now. As much as the world has seen how technology can enhance physical comforts, to the same extent it is at the receiving end of it from terrorist activities to a range of crimes that are being perpetuated using technology.
The sad part is that people still don't seem to attruibute or blame such happenings on technology and I doubt whether that will ever happen but the truth is something that needs to be eventually handled. Actually I would not blame technology per se but the minds that find devious uses for it.
So you see the problem? We are trying to put the cart before the horse. whereas it would be the right way to discipline our mind first and then focus on inventing external tools that will enhance our quality of life we are doing exactly the reverse. We are rushing to build destructive weapons mainly because our minds are not equipped enough to envision the disastrous consequences of such acts.
What if rest of the world does something different. I think the time come for a fundamental shift in philosophy. Why not India take that initiative at this opportune moment when the world wants a peaceful existence?
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nachi naga
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shri sangom,
albeit differently,i have been theorising my pov.bharathians for the last 25000 years back did subjugate other territories.what we did came back to us,in the form of alexander and other mughal caliph's,christians.bhavishya purana was writtten nicely.isha putran was well versed and before him the concept of formless god ,nirguna brahman aka yahway was all from bharath.dwaraka was supposed to have been wonderfrul,just like how new york is today
.ours is a old civilisation,and the indian map of today,is a condensed territory,with which we ought to flourish,already poaching is being done in siachen,talai mannar,himachal pradesh and in some areas of gujarat and west bengal.i think the commies are upto no good acts.
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R. Ramanujan
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If India were to become the real superpower then it will have to be a communist country like Russia and China. There is no second way. By Superpower I mean not only economic progress but people's progress and job security also.
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You have said something and also indicated its impossibility in the very next para. What I refer to as "present day realities" very much includes this also; in addition, I also hold the view that at all points of time in world history, scientific knowledge has been put to destructive uses more. This is true even in our puranic (may be mythical, but they reflect, all the same, the working of the minds which composed/compiled the puranas) stories in which you find ever so many weapons for destruction in the hands of both the warring factions; in the process of establishing dharma by rooting out adharma, a very very large number on the so-called dhArmic side also lost their lives. Even in the rigveda there is the well-known "dASarAjna" war and many hymns/ riks pray for destruction of enemies of the concerned rishi and his clan. So, you see, with my limited knowledge of these info., I am not at all sanguine about the day when the world will start looking at technology with abhorrence for its destructive aspect.
On the other hand, we have a large number of gurus who, in the very first opportunity available to them, went to the US and particularly its western coast, (which, the theosophists believed - again based on their claimed yogic powers - will be the only piece of land left after the next praLaya) - and established their branch or HQ, each to spread his/her brand of yoga. Several of them got into disrepute for one personal reason or another, and now, I don't find any great impact of these yogas happening in the population of US. If the guru himself/herself could not become a better person by practising the yoga, how can it reform others?
Thus your panacea for all the ills of the nations, viz., yoga, does not IMO hold any promise more than that of a quack's medicine for a really serious disease.
What you say is, in effect, that the world has grown in a topsy-turvy manner; to set it right, we will have to begin at the beginning, nothing else. To achieve this, first it will be necessary to wipe out all technology (including fire which served, once upon a time, as the most formidable weapon for attacking the enemy) from the face of the earth, train all the world population (or at least its leadership material) in Yoga, mind control and discipline, and then only allow any one to start the journey on the arduous and risky path of technological discovery and innovation. Will that be possible except after the next praLaya?
When Nature or God has allowed the growth of this world in a particular manner during ever so many millennia, and has not found it as an unfit, unhealthy and dangerous trend (to be destroyed forthwith) and allowed it to continue, how can you, an individual, or even a thousand individuals like you fight against that Nature/God and succeed?
Of course, you are entitled to your opinion and spread it. I will be only too glad if you are able to achieve even a modicum of success in your endeavour.
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friends and respected elders,
I think that for prosperity, peace and wellbeing of people on a marked geographical area three things are decisive.
1. ethnic origine of people, their race; this is most important factor. though a large no. of us will criticise me for this but it is in my openion.
2. Natural resources on that land i.e. water, soil, enviroment, etc.
3. their spiritual enclination and nature.
our country is rich in 2 and 3. but we lack in 1. so poor utilisation of natural resources. failure in good administration is commen here. I think considering population, unrest among people and failure of administration increasing day by day. and so i think that india being superpower is not a clear truth. It is large market that forces multinational companies to picture like that.
just for example buying land is extremely murky and there is always a large possibility of cheating in mainland india it is a fact and it shows what social conditions are here. I just dont think that rule of law exist here. and what to say about response of our country in international matters it is better not discussed here. Certainly these are not marks of a superpower.
I think that for prosperity, peace and wellbeing of people on a marked geographical area three things are decisive.
1. ethnic origine of people, their race; this is most important factor. though a large no. of us will criticise me for this but it is in my openion.
2. Natural resources on that land i.e. water, soil, enviroment, etc.
3. their spiritual enclination and nature.
our country is rich in 2 and 3. but we lack in 1. so poor utilisation of natural resources. failure in good administration is commen here. I think considering population, unrest among people and failure of administration increasing day by day. and so i think that india being superpower is not a clear truth. It is large market that forces multinational companies to picture like that.
just for example buying land is extremely murky and there is always a large possibility of cheating in mainland india it is a fact and it shows what social conditions are here. I just dont think that rule of law exist here. and what to say about response of our country in international matters it is better not discussed here. Certainly these are not marks of a superpower.
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Shri Hoover,
Wikipedia has these things to say about race:
"Race, however, has no official biological taxonomic significance — all humans belong to the same hominid subspecies, Homo sapiens sapiens.[7][8] Nor is there scientific basis for any racial or ethnic hierarchy.[9][10] The study of shared traits among peoples is also conducted along ethnic lines, involving the endogamic history of groups."
Anthropologists also point out that genomic analysis has shown that racial distinctions are "not genetically discrete, are not reliably measured, and are not scientifically meaningful."[15] Most variations in human genes, in fact, pre-date the time of the migration of Homo sapiens sapiens out of Africa, leading genetic researchers to concluded that the "possibility that human history has been characterized by genetically relatively homogeneous groups ('races'), distinguished by major biological differences, is not consistent with genetic evidence."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(classification_of_humans)
So, kindly explain what exactly are your notions about "race". That will help others to respond to you better because I find from your posts that the concept of "race" occupies a predominant position in your world view. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(classification_of_humans)#cite_note-KO_Genomic-15
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hoover
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the whole net is full of conflicting studies about race. what compells me to think about these things is. i rely on commen sense.
1. why no african country is in peace and prosperiy. inspite of the huge natural and minaral resources including dimonds, gold, eurenium, oil.
2. why countries sharing commen ancestry to so called nordic aryans, greeks and romans are known as devloped countries.
3. why the country calling itself of pure aryan blood is the most devloped and gives social securiy pension equqal to payment of our IAS. produces machinary which we use to manufacture goods and have brands like nike, puma, mercedes, wholkswagan, bosch, siemens and so on. and their roads known as autobahn are an example which all other countries appreciate. If you want a copy of pure Rugveda, you will have to buy it from german publishers. why they are so enthsiastic of knowledge of every kind. note that much of the scientific discoveries are on their account and not only scientific they are leading in philosophy and music also. which are known as higher human persuits. these are facts worth mentioning.
4. why there is a commen trend and wish to settle in countries of white population. everyone wants to migrate to US, UK, Germany and so on. and not in ethiopia, liberia, chili, bangladesh, mongolia, tibet etc. etc.
5. why when there is flood and any other natural disaster happens US dispatches aid which is agian a country ruled by whites. why it is the deciding factor in every international conflict including ww I and ww II.
I think there is no point in denying these things. our genes are also more match with them than any other indian ethnic group. and so there is Sachin Tendulkar, and Vishwanathan Anand and CV Raman and Vs Naipaul and v. Ramakrishnan. Lata Mangeshkar and Indira Gandhi (the most powerful politician of Indipendant India). There is no point in denying that. There cannot be an all accepted definition of anything. I think that there exist this mystic factor, some call it as race.
1. why no african country is in peace and prosperiy. inspite of the huge natural and minaral resources including dimonds, gold, eurenium, oil.
2. why countries sharing commen ancestry to so called nordic aryans, greeks and romans are known as devloped countries.
3. why the country calling itself of pure aryan blood is the most devloped and gives social securiy pension equqal to payment of our IAS. produces machinary which we use to manufacture goods and have brands like nike, puma, mercedes, wholkswagan, bosch, siemens and so on. and their roads known as autobahn are an example which all other countries appreciate. If you want a copy of pure Rugveda, you will have to buy it from german publishers. why they are so enthsiastic of knowledge of every kind. note that much of the scientific discoveries are on their account and not only scientific they are leading in philosophy and music also. which are known as higher human persuits. these are facts worth mentioning.
4. why there is a commen trend and wish to settle in countries of white population. everyone wants to migrate to US, UK, Germany and so on. and not in ethiopia, liberia, chili, bangladesh, mongolia, tibet etc. etc.
5. why when there is flood and any other natural disaster happens US dispatches aid which is agian a country ruled by whites. why it is the deciding factor in every international conflict including ww I and ww II.
I think there is no point in denying these things. our genes are also more match with them than any other indian ethnic group. and so there is Sachin Tendulkar, and Vishwanathan Anand and CV Raman and Vs Naipaul and v. Ramakrishnan. Lata Mangeshkar and Indira Gandhi (the most powerful politician of Indipendant India). There is no point in denying that. There cannot be an all accepted definition of anything. I think that there exist this mystic factor, some call it as race.
hoover,
You seem to have some obsession with "aryan" blood. I think you have been reading too many books written during the British rule of India. They had some simplistic notions back then, which in the following decades have gone out of repute. What has become clear in the intervening decades is that people's origins are far more complex than a binary association of two "origin" groups as the British liked to put it. Indians as a group are a mixed bunch, and different communities have slightly higher or lower influences from other ethnic groups due to our intermingling throughout history with invaders and visitors. Many of these early interactions took place thousands of years ago.
We TBs, and to a greater extent, we Indians, are what we are. We are not Europeans, and clinging to some few percent of one's genes which match is a sad sight.
Ironically, the very Westerners who you idolize consider your views antiquated, in their societies.
You seem to have some obsession with "aryan" blood. I think you have been reading too many books written during the British rule of India. They had some simplistic notions back then, which in the following decades have gone out of repute. What has become clear in the intervening decades is that people's origins are far more complex than a binary association of two "origin" groups as the British liked to put it. Indians as a group are a mixed bunch, and different communities have slightly higher or lower influences from other ethnic groups due to our intermingling throughout history with invaders and visitors. Many of these early interactions took place thousands of years ago.
We TBs, and to a greater extent, we Indians, are what we are. We are not Europeans, and clinging to some few percent of one's genes which match is a sad sight.
Ironically, the very Westerners who you idolize consider your views antiquated, in their societies.
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Shri Hoover,
Shri Prasanth has already clarified, in a lucid manner, that there is no such thing as "pure race" now. If the genes are analysed in detail each one of us TBs will, in most probability, be found to contain traces left as a result of inter-mixing with foreign as well as very local people such as adivasis, SCs/STs and many other types. So your notion of German/European/White superiority and hence ours- because we, as Aryan lineage can claim parity with them - may not hold true, because we will be found to be very different in genetic structure from them.
Secondly, you are taking only some positive aspects of the West; what about the drinking, sexual permissiveness, prostitution to attract tourists (in some country), arms culture and many other things which are there in the West? You don't talk about those. Perhaps our country is also improving, unknown to us, by taking to all the good and bad things of the West and further improvement will come in due course.
Africa is under the rule of people who are still influenced by their ancient tribal moorings. Unless they come out of that mindset (and we come out of our caste mindset) improvement will be very impossible.
H
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there may be impure Aryans but certainly there is more pure aryan, less pure aryan and no aryan. and only that thing is sufficiant to make difference in things. If there are some bad things exist much of them are created by migrants going there from different part of the world. Prostitution as lure to foreign tourist is practiced chiefly in SE asian countries.
About gun culture, I appreciate gun culture atleast it doesnt give tyrants a minute of relief. It is better to end game of the tyrants with one bullet than crying, watching injustice with naked eye, waiting for time to change. there are unending stories in our country where justice doesnt find any logical end. here gun laws are srticter and outdated. so gangsters carry sophisticated wepons and police antique .303 . Isnt ther gun culture not present in India. and gun is better to kill than knife or sowerd. pleast read col. sleemens conquest of the Thags. you will know what a ghastly thing was it.
drinking, sexual permissiveness are inevitable effects of negetion of religion, ethical codes and fall of family values ( even hilery clinton says that). under name of liberalism and indiviulistic aproach. wait, caste barrier breaking bussiness is importing it soon to India also.
there will be no ties and no affetion in india in coming years. atleast westerners have efficiant rule of law to balance these things. due to compromised quality human resource even that way is not avilable to Indians.
India after 1920 under british was the best India. Go to any office and see what conditions are. compare stature of people running offices now with those who were fellows of oxford and Cambridge and held those chair once.
lets talk about highest post i.e. president of India, Is there any comparison between president now and Dr. S. Radhakrishan. potato brains are running minstries. A prime minister whose own family members faced extreme brutality and hardships in partition riots says that muslims have first right on resources of country.
If someone infests himself with stoicism then its ok, if mindset is made like that then there is no difference in palace and gutter.
and scintific theories also chang with a new day. 15 yeras ago they were saying dont pour water on burn skin now they say it is first thing to do.
What to say a caucasoid is head of this country.
About gun culture, I appreciate gun culture atleast it doesnt give tyrants a minute of relief. It is better to end game of the tyrants with one bullet than crying, watching injustice with naked eye, waiting for time to change. there are unending stories in our country where justice doesnt find any logical end. here gun laws are srticter and outdated. so gangsters carry sophisticated wepons and police antique .303 . Isnt ther gun culture not present in India. and gun is better to kill than knife or sowerd. pleast read col. sleemens conquest of the Thags. you will know what a ghastly thing was it.
drinking, sexual permissiveness are inevitable effects of negetion of religion, ethical codes and fall of family values ( even hilery clinton says that). under name of liberalism and indiviulistic aproach. wait, caste barrier breaking bussiness is importing it soon to India also.
there will be no ties and no affetion in india in coming years. atleast westerners have efficiant rule of law to balance these things. due to compromised quality human resource even that way is not avilable to Indians.
India after 1920 under british was the best India. Go to any office and see what conditions are. compare stature of people running offices now with those who were fellows of oxford and Cambridge and held those chair once.
lets talk about highest post i.e. president of India, Is there any comparison between president now and Dr. S. Radhakrishan. potato brains are running minstries. A prime minister whose own family members faced extreme brutality and hardships in partition riots says that muslims have first right on resources of country.
If someone infests himself with stoicism then its ok, if mindset is made like that then there is no difference in palace and gutter.
and scintific theories also chang with a new day. 15 yeras ago they were saying dont pour water on burn skin now they say it is first thing to do.
What to say a caucasoid is head of this country.
hoover,
I apologize in advance for my strong words, but ranking people by what measley percent is our similarity to Europeans, is it more or less, and whatever other thousands year old interactions, is a truly pathetic sight indeed, if that is all that we have been reduced to, as TBs.
you are correct that scientific theories change with each new day. That is exactly why your theories have fallen out of favour with nearly the entire scientific community in the West, except for fringe groups which mostly operate on the internet. Such a mindset may have been suitable during the British Raj. Not so much nowadays.
I have nothing more to say on this subject.
sangom
One does not need to go as far as complex DNA analysis. Just by observing ourselves, i think such things are very obvious.
I apologize in advance for my strong words, but ranking people by what measley percent is our similarity to Europeans, is it more or less, and whatever other thousands year old interactions, is a truly pathetic sight indeed, if that is all that we have been reduced to, as TBs.
you are correct that scientific theories change with each new day. That is exactly why your theories have fallen out of favour with nearly the entire scientific community in the West, except for fringe groups which mostly operate on the internet. Such a mindset may have been suitable during the British Raj. Not so much nowadays.
I have nothing more to say on this subject.
sangom
One does not need to go as far as complex DNA analysis. Just by observing ourselves, i think such things are very obvious.
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